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woodbok wrote:Alot of armies do not have that much fire power at 1k points. at 1500 yes, but not at this points level.
Fire power:30 strength 6 ap 4 shots a turn. thats a LOT of shots.

Farseer, guide, jetbike 105

6 jetbikes, 2 cannons 152
6 jetbikes, 2 cannons, warlock embolden 202

3 war walkers, double scatter lasers 180
3 war walkers, double scatter lasers 180
3 war walkers, double scatter lasers 180

Total 999

84 S6 shots per turn, and 24 are twin linked. 18" movement on jetbikes while still shooting. Walkers can scout at start, or outflank later.

Your list isn't the only gunspam list at 1k, and its not the best either. If you think this list is scary, you should see what guard can do.

Ok, i made a slight modification to the list, to make it easier to deal with long range units such as lootas.
HQ
Destroyer lord, phase shifter, chronometron, warscythe

TROOPS
10 warriors
10 warriors

FAST ATTACK
4 Destroyers
4 Destroyers
5 scarabs.

lol @ "No list will match this firepower."

This isn't perfect, and it's certainly not undefeatable.
Example:
Haemonculus, Hexrifle 70
5 Warriors, Blaster 55
Venom, 2x cannon 65
5 Warriors, Blaster 55
Venom, 2x cannon 65
5 Warriors, Blaster 55
Venom, 2x cannon 65
5 Warriors, Blaster 55
Venom, 2x cannon 65
5 Warriors, Blaster 55
Venom, 2x cannon 65
5 Warriors, Blaster 55
Venom, 2x cannon 65
Ravager, Flickerfield 120

910 points. 72 shots from SC every turn. Not to mention a whole gakload of AV weapons.

Necrons is arright for gunspam, but it's not the best. And this will beat you at firepower, hands down. I move as fast as you, putting out 12 4+ shots at 36" plus whoever doesn't move farther than 6" out of the vehicle.

What purpose does pointing out that a list tailored to beat the OPs would beat it serve?

The DE list isn't a Take All Comers list by any means.

Monster hit the nail on the head.


The eldar list is simply poor in any game.
Great, you have alot of shots, now what happens when someone who uses more than transports plays you?
A single land raider can hold a scoring unit in safety for the entire game, and if you run cru/red pattern you can chew though the army.

Dark eldar list is also tailored, and badly.
Better this time as you have some blasters in there, but a monolith will shrug off everything you have and start pumping out shots at your transports, which are made from paper anyway.

Also, raider spam vs crons really isnt as good as you think as they can blow them up with glances. (-2 for glance, +1 for open topped)
So, everything in a crons army can really hurt your transports, which are the backbone of your army.
Maybe some wyches with haywires? they are the best anti-lith weapon in the game imo.

I cant see the Necron army being very good against lists which take a Landraider or other high armor vehicles.

Erm, everything in the cron army can glance the raider and the lith and scythe can pen it.

Crons usually never kill anything atraight away, just glance it to death.

but thats something they have allways had issues with.



My comment was simply because 2 people tailored a list towards this army.
Which a DE army with no lances? doesent happen.
Fast but easy to kill eldar army with no real anti-armour? also doesent happen.

Does "lith"= Monolith? if so he hasn't taken one and on average the Lord would get 12 for trying to damage it and the Destroyers either have to be very lucky to hurt it or fire all of them at it which is just a waste of shots.

prime12357 wrote:The destroyers will be fine if you can prioritize your targets and maneuver properly. Lootas won't be much of a problem when they're dead.

Exactly.

I don't think Blood Angels would fear this list.

My 1000 point list:

HQ: Librarian with Shield and Unleash Rage 100
EL: Sanguinary Priest with Meltabombs 55
TR: 5 Assault Marines, Las/Plas Razorback, Meltagun, Power Fist 190
TR: 5 Assault Marines, Las/Plas Razorback, Meltagun, Power Fist 190
TR: 5 Assault Marines, Las/Plas Razorback, Flamer, Meltabombs 165
HS: Predator with Heavy Bolter Sponsons 100
HS: Predator with Heavy Bolter Sponsons 100
HS: Predator with Heavy Bolter Sponsons 100

27 S6 shots against vehicles is 18 hits 3 Glances 2 of which make it through cover. I can put down 4 Destroyers from a turn of shooting; if the Lord moves up to Assault, I bubble wrap the vehicles with the Marines, and I can put him down from shooting in 1 turn anyway. The scarab retinue isn't a problem since I have stuff that can ID them, and in an Assault I'll just beat them up and put No Retreat wounds on the Lord. The shooting isn't any better against my Marines since 18 hits ends up being 2.5 unsaved wounds after 3+ armor and FNP.

If you had a Monolith in the list, I'd be more worried, since it becomes disgustingly hard to make anything stay dead, and killing the stupid thing is almost impossible.

I can have a 'lith +5 destroyers and lord at this points. What's that? lots of squishy dark eldar that can't hurt my lith? Gun' em down!!!

the list is fine and will be highly competitive at the points level.

and the last thing a d-wing list like this is worried about is being out-shot by lootas at 1k points.

Monster Rain wrote:Unless you're facing a lot of ranged S10, you really don't need a Res Orb for destroyers in the early parts of the game.

Or ever. If you get caught in melee by power weapons, you're dead anyway. Unless you happen to be fighting Tau, a Rez Orb is a luxury for Destroyer spam lists.

hemingway wrote:
and the last thing a d-wing list like this is worried about is being out-shot by lootas at 1k points.

That's what the scarabs and D-lord is for, chewing up big shooty units.