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Brother Coa wrote:

Defiler37 wrote:And whats a DOS?

You don't know that?

You use Windows OS right? Dos is last version of console Windows, it's very much like the first few black Windows you see when you start your PC.
He suggest that we attack the Necrons with Windows OS and that they will just crash because of it

I'm pretty sure he was talking about a Denial of Service (DOS) attack.

What is a denial of service attack?

Google it

Did thank you sorry im computer illiterate.

DarknessEternal wrote:No, they cannot be stopped.

They already took over the galaxy once and only gave it up voluntarily. There's no reason to think they couldn't do it again, especially now that the opposition is even less competitive.

This pretty much sums it up.

The Humans, the Eldar and even the Orkz are all believed to have been bio-weapons created by the Old Ones in a desperate attempt to stop the Necrons at one point.

And imo, if Orkz can't do it, game over man.

Der'z nuffin orks can't do wiv enuff duct tape, 'cept spell goffic wurdz right..

I'd say that the Necrons could be stopped, but only if they were stopped before they all woke, and only if every tomb world had been found. No-one knows how many there were. and if one is wiped the inhabitants would teleport to the next nearest for repairs.

biccat wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

Defiler37 wrote:And whats a DOS?

You don't know that?

You use Windows OS right? Dos is last version of console Windows, it's very much like the first few black Windows you see when you start your PC.
He suggest that we attack the Necrons with Windows OS and that they will just crash because of it

I'm pretty sure he was talking about a Denial of Service (DOS) attack.

lol either that or put up against them group anonymous and there ya go, necrons are defeated! (just give those guys a computer army and they are done.

uriel ventris and a melta bomb...

flota wrote:uriel ventris and a melta bomb...

He'd break the necrodermis of one C'tan...who'd just get another necrodermis shell and return to kill him and the rest of his friends

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Edit: I hate Necrons with a passion and don't want to diss on other cool races, but given the fluff on them, it is hard to believe anything could stand against the full might of them. They are an Empire millions upon millions of years older than the Emperor, the Orkz and perhaps even Chaos. They didn't get that way by being scrubs.

As I said...even if they ever get up in full force - they would lose.
Races of the galaxy would unite against them and they would suffer defeat ( they where already losing war when Enslavers started to exterminate Old Ones ).
Orks where not in this number when they where around, neither was the Imperium, neither Tyranids or Tau or Chaos Gods. Only Eldar, and today Eldar are even more deadlier per warrior than back then...

samrtk wrote:

flota wrote:uriel ventris and a melta bomb...

He'd break the necrodermis of one C'tan...who'd just get another necrodermis shell and return to kill him and the rest of his friends

You haven't read Night Bringer by Graham McNeil have you?

Ascalam wrote:Get a laptop, and then find a code to drop their shields...

Then hijack a monolith and fly it to the mothership, with an underslung vortex missile

rofl

You haven't read Night Bringer by Graham McNeil have you?

I own it and have read it. The Nightbringer and some Necron Warriors easily wipe out some Dark Eldar, a politican, and most of Uriel's leftover squad and Inquisitor. Then when facing off against Uriel he backs down sensing the threat of a meltabomb. Then he goes to feed, leaving a dead pile. It's been a while though.

If Uriel did activate the meltabomb, he'd die, and shatter the necrodermis (which would blow up and kill him) then the Nightbringer would go get another suit of armour, take up his trusty lance and eat a sun, then thrust it into whatevers left of Uriel's squad (which I think it was a marine with one arm).

purplefood wrote:

samrtk wrote:

flota wrote:uriel ventris and a melta bomb...

He'd break the necrodermis of one C'tan...who'd just get another necrodermis shell and return to kill him and the rest of his friends

You haven't read Night Bringer by Graham McNeil have you?

I have

I remember Uriel being punted around by the Nightbringer, and his friends (and some dark eldar who were chilling down there in the tomb) dying rather nastily.

He stuck the meltabomb to the device the nightbringer was using to call his ship to him IIRC, not the Nightbringer himself, and i think the author hadn't quite got the final fluff update that Ctan can phase thru anything, so can't be buried He also seems to have missed the fact that any attack made by a Ctan ignores all saves and drains your life..

As the device was made of necrodermis it would also have been extremely resistant to melta effects (which for those who claim melta bombs aren't melta includes meltabombs, as they were considered point blank meltagun hits back then ).

So? Uriel with meltabomb in hand vs actual nightbringer, after his morning coffee, and with a fluff writer who has been brought up to speed? Not a hope

samrtk wrote:

You haven't read Night Bringer by Graham McNeil have you?

I own it and have read it. The Nightbringer and some Necron Warriors easily wipe out some Dark Eldar, a politican, and most of Uriel's leftover squad and Inquisitor. Then when facing off against Uriel he backs down sensing the threat of a meltabomb. Then he goes to feed, leaving a dead pile. It's been a while though.

If Uriel did activate the meltabomb, he'd die, and shatter the necrodermis (which would blow up and kill him) then the Nightbringer would go get another suit of armour, take up his trusty lance and eat a sun, then thrust it into whatevers left of Uriel's squad (which I think it was a marine with one arm).

Nope...
The reason Uriel forces the Night bringer to back off is because if he did activate the melta charges (he didn't have the bomb on his the mine was rigged) the Night Bringer would be trapped and would eventually die...
For this reason Captain Ventris is pretty faily since a few marines to kill a god would be an easy trade.

Trapped how?

There was no emperor-level plot armour on their trapping him by collapsing the mine. He would ahve been able to walk through the rock like air until he hit surface.

Imperium uber alles

How do you think he was stuck their in the first place?

That was his bedroom

He was under Pavonis since the war vs the Old Ones. He put himself down in stasis there.

Like i say the book and the Ctan's actual abilities as listed in their codex don't jive. The fluff in the codex is slightly newer than that story, and going by the description in the codex of a Ctan's abilities he would not have been able to be trapped there anyway.

Ctan can walk through solid objects at will, and ignore gravity. How is a big pile of rock going to slow one down?

purplefood wrote:How do you think he was stuck their in the first place?

Ascalam wrote:That was his bedroom

He was under Pavonis since the war vs the Old Ones. He put himself down in stasis there.

Like i say the book and the Ctan's actual abilities as listed in their codex don't jive. The fluff in the codex is slightly newer than that story, and going by the description in the codex of a Ctan's abilities he would not have been able to be trapped there anyway.

Ctan can walk through solid objects at will, and ignore gravity. How is a big pile of rock going to slow one down?

This. If a god has a purpose built tomb underground, which it has used to sleep until new life has formed for it to feast on. I think it can escape a poorly planned booby trap on that very site.

It was built with the intention of keeping out some of the most powerful beings in th galaxy.
Most probably including his own kind, it's more than likely he wouldn't have been able to simply walk out especially since his own powers and strength was so wasted during the time he spent asleep.
At any rate it isn't important since he got out and is now all powered up.

Over to you, Mr Ward

Ascalam wrote:Over to you, Mr Ward

Oh no. Now the Nightbringer will be able to be subdued by a Snotling.

When the Necrons arise, only one man can stop them, only one man can succeed against all odds.

Coming this summer: Draigo: The Movie.

Brother Coa wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Edit: I hate Necrons with a passion and don't want to diss on other cool races, but given the fluff on them, it is hard to believe anything could stand against the full might of them. They are an Empire millions upon millions of years older than the Emperor, the Orkz and perhaps even Chaos. They didn't get that way by being scrubs.

As I said...even if they ever get up in full force - they would lose.
Races of the galaxy would unite against them and they would suffer defeat ( they where already losing war when Enslavers started to exterminate Old Ones ).
Orks where not in this number when they where around, neither was the Imperium, neither Tyranids or Tau or Chaos Gods. Only Eldar, and today Eldar are even more deadlier per warrior than back then...

The Necrons were on the verge of defeating the Old Ones when the Enslaver Plague wiped out most of the souls in the remaining Old One's Empire.

The Necrons wouldn't be stopped dude.

Imperial Ships don't even have an equal vessel for "known" high end Necron fleet ships. Let alone unknown ships.... Of which there could be millions or tens of millions.

In small conflicts yeah, Galaxy has a chance. Full blown return? Game Rucking Over.

And then the lost Primarch, John Connor, who travelled back in time with Draigo, arrives to put down the evil Necron King Cyber-Dyne..



The fluff on the Necron shipsm suggests that even massively outnumbered they can stick it to anyone. On even terms it would be ugly, but quick..

Brother Coa wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Edit: I hate Necrons with a passion and don't want to diss on other cool races, but given the fluff on them, it is hard to believe anything could stand against the full might of them. They are an Empire millions upon millions of years older than the Emperor, the Orkz and perhaps even Chaos. They didn't get that way by being scrubs.

As I said...even if they ever get up in full force - they would lose.
Races of the galaxy would unite against them and they would suffer defeat ( they where already losing war when Enslavers started to exterminate Old Ones ).
Orks where not in this number when they where around, neither was the Imperium, neither Tyranids or Tau or Chaos Gods. Only Eldar, and today Eldar are even more deadlier per warrior than back then...

Actually the C'tan were crushing the old ones so bad that they started to eat themselves they got so bored. All the chaos the races the old ones made in the warp (litteraly the birth of chaos as we know it is a by product of this war) gave birth to the enslavers. Since the C'tan were winning so hard and eating everything in the galaxy (including eachother) when the enslavers started to Nom Nom all life the C'tan just pulled the "wait we are gods" card and go to sleep untill sutable populations of life returned to the galaxy. The C'tan won the war for the galaxy once, it wasnt pretty, then the enslavers took all there food away.

purplefood wrote:How do you think he was stuck their in the first place?

He put himself there in stasis. Being hit with a melta bomb after being asleep for millions of year didnt sound like a good idea to old nightbringer so of course he backed off. it probably would have damaged him the the point of leaving his necrodermius shell. I dont think the tomb would have trapped him.

Reading what we know of engagments with the necrons in both space and groundside battles... they kill everything. Even when there is a win against the necrons its at a huge cost or against a tomb world thats just waking up. On damnos the necrons were just waking up and the 2nd company of ultrasmurffs were almost wiped off the planet. If all the necrons were to wake up and the C'tan were to get there together and start there red harvest again... it wouldnt matter if the whole imperium stood united, these guys pucked the OLD ONES! there would be no hope for humanity.

But I do have a theory that if all humanity had joined with chaos then the forces of the warp might be able to stop the necrons. Warp hurts the C'tan and just baffles the necron. Besides pariahs necrons dont really have anything to defend them against the many dangers of warp.

Maybe Logor and Horus were right, maybe the only way to save humanity from the threat of things like necrons, and tyranids (the only real threats to humanity besides chaos) was to jump on the wagon with the chaos gods. Now because of you stupid loyalists and your goody two shoes imperial dogma... humanity is going to get enslaved by C'tan and eaten by bugs... GREAT just GREAT! lol

Necronsc can not win....Well actually in 40k nobody can really win or if they win (well heavy heavy loses for them then). If necrons would have risen and begin to kick ass. The Chaos Gods and their servants; and Eldars would have stopped them or given them mass losses. Then you got the orks that hate little metal hummies! Tyranids, who hate and fear them beacuse the necs are stealing their food (liveing). Eldar might ask the imperium to help them and the Imperium might agree since the Imperium knows little about th necs and what they know scares the crap out of them. Finally you have the Tau, that has enough common sence to ask the Imperium for a tiny alliance. There for you got Tau, Imperum, and Eldar sort of helping each other. Eldars can also screw the mindes of the orks an attract them to h nec forces. So Necs have no chance of really winning. If they still do, losses would be great enough for them to still loose

Maybe, Maybe not.

The Imperium has worked with the Eldar before, but is a paranoid bunch of xenocidal loonies. The alliance would break down sooner or later regardless of the threat. Otherwise you'd always see eldar and Imperial forces fighting together vs Chaos The imperium tends to also have the 'we're the Imperium, how could we lose?' attitude that ,despite several hundred ass-kickings, tends to lead them to wiping out potential allies instead of recruiting them.

Orks can be conned/lured into a good fight, but are as apt to attacking the people who hired them after the Crons phase out in any given fight just to keep the fight going. Orks don't hate Necrons. They don't hate anyone. They don't consider them a good fight though because they keep wimpin' out and vanishin' before da fights done :(

Necron ships can also travel far faster than ork waagh fleets, and actually care about the direction they travel in

The tau are not exactly known for having much sense when it comes to their allies. All it would take would be one rabidly imperial Inquisitor saying the wrong thing and that one's a gonner.

The Nids actively avoid Necron Tombworlds. There's no profit in attacking them (no biomass to replace losses) and the Hive Mind doesn't seem to be the emotional type, just hungry in an implacable way It's not established that Nids even feel emotion when hooked up to the hivemind.

I'm not saying it couldn't work, just that it's highly unlikely to last long enough to make a difference.

That's the ultimate crapsackiness of the 40k universe: if they could cobble together some simple alliances, they could effect major changes. But simple alliances can't be brokered.

As the most triumphant example, there are factions within the Imperium at open war with each other (re: Space Marines vs Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy vs Mars, etc).

darkcloud92 wrote:Well in the end the easiest way to kill or the necron race would be to simply blow up all the planets that they are sleeping on...much easir said than done lol First off we dont know all the planets that their on, perhaps even terra?!? duh duh duh!!! And some of the planets that they are on are inhabited already so you blowing it up would be harder to do.
The other reason it is hard to do is b/c in order for you to find what planet they are on youd pretty much have to wake them up! then you risk losing another planet to them. Ya necrons are pretty ba, a very big looming threat that has the potential to do some real damage.
But does anyone know if they can fly through space? I dont think I have ever read about them doing space travel

You should check out battle fleet gothic.

And yes, necrons have proven to have some of the deadliest space ships (from what I've heard).


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Ascalam wrote:That was his bedroom

He was under Pavonis since the war vs the Old Ones. He put himself down in stasis there.

Like i say the book and the Ctan's actual abilities as listed in their codex don't jive. The fluff in the codex is slightly newer than that story, and going by the description in the codex of a Ctan's abilities he would not have been able to be trapped there anyway.

Ctan can walk through solid objects at will, and ignore gravity. How is a big pile of rock going to slow one down?

Only 6-12" at a time and they can't "Stop inside" something...