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Might be a fight worth watching...
Although i'm sure it'd be a good idea not to stay and observe...

Why would the Daemons attack them? The Necrons would not generate fear, have no souls which might be captured, and in all likelihood would Phase back to their Tombworld when killed anyhow. The Necrons, on the other hand, would suffer a similar uselessness as they can receive nothing from the Daemons and no matter how many they killed, the Daemonic threat would never dwindle as they to are immortal. It would be immortal vs. immortal, logic vs. emotion, science vs. magic: and there would be no victor

If they are in the warp, how do they fase out?, And they are invaders, so they would probably attack them. In the material world, your logic makes sense.

Seeing as no one knows the depths of Necron technology I would assume Phase out to be possible, as the C'tan knew enough of the warp to know how to seal it off. It is pure speculation, but they knew enough about it to seal it off entirely, something that I believe no one has yet been able to replicate. Though continuing with this train of logic, I imagine that the C'tan know more about the warp then nearly anything else that is still alive, they would need to as it is the sole bane left in the universe to them

Since they've never covered what woulf happen to a necron is put in the warp we don't know if they could survive there or whether they could teleport out of it.

Until we get a fluff-filled Necron Compendium it's one of those unsolveable arguments due to lack of data.

They started off as Chaos Androids built by evil squats in the fluff, after all, before they got re-imaged as the Necrons

Well without more fluuf in the matter it really is a guessing game.

I still believe sending them to the warp is the best chance in defeating them but its all speculation on my part.

we will just have to wait and see what Ward does. I got my money on Necrons teaming up with Drago.

They'd probably have him surfing a destroyer lord

Gee up, bessie!

purplefood wrote:Nah the warp would dissolve them like they were placed in acid.
It's that kind of opposite as opposed to 'they just don't like it all that much'

No, Necrons are more like psychic pariahs, they are resistant to the warp. The only weakness there is that in the warp they wouldn't be able to re-form, unless they brought their monoliths with them.

Necrons FTW.


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Azure wrote:Why would the Daemons attack them? The Necrons would not generate fear, have no souls which might be captured, and in all likelihood would Phase back to their Tombworld when killed anyhow. The Necrons, on the other hand, would suffer a similar uselessness as they can receive nothing from the Daemons and no matter how many they killed, the Daemonic threat would never dwindle as they to are immortal. It would be immortal vs. immortal, logic vs. emotion, science vs. magic: and there would be no victor

Because the necrontyr tried, and almost succeeded, at destroying the warp.


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Ascalam wrote:Since they've never covered what woulf happen to a necron is put in the warp we don't know if they could survive there or whether they could teleport out of it.

Until we get a fluff-filled Necron Compendium it's one of those unsolveable arguments due to lack of data.

They started off as Chaos Androids built by evil squats in the fluff, after all, before they got re-imaged as the Necrons

I actually created an M.20 army of the Men of Iron (remember that old fluff?) out of necrons awhile ago. Just bulked them up with GS and now they look beastly. A bit like Marvel Comic's Iron Monger.

Orks find them boring, Tyranids find them indegestiable, so the two largest forces won't confront them enough.

In CC Orks would win, hands down. Orks bring 20 boyz for each 1 warrior.

Chaos gods are to reality what C'tan are for the warp. It will be one hell of a fight. Let's just hope the emperor stays out of the way.

Nah. I hope he's the bone they're playing tug of war with

Eh, true, but all living things contribute both flesh to the C'tan and psyche to the warp.

Munga wrote:Eh, true, but all living things contribute both flesh to the C'tan and psyche to the warp.

C'tan devour souls, not flesh...

They also devour particles as well...

Mr Nobody wrote:Orks find them boring, Tyranids find them indigestible, so the two largest forces won't confront them enough.

Um...actually the IoM is the biggest faction...although it says the orks could overwhelm all else if they united, the IoM is HARDLY centralized, if they united together instead of committing heresy and worshiping chaos, humanity would have quashed all Xenos.

I can't speak for the Tyranids, simply because we don't know their full strength, though their fleets within the Milky Way could also be steamrolled by the IoM, BECAUSE THEY WERE.

Unrelated, I am wondering what would happen if the Imperium had successfully retrieved the untainted plans for the castigator titans...they would never lose titan fights, ever. I am trying to think of what this would mean for the IoM as a whole.

im2randomghgh wrote:I can't speak for the Tyranids, simply because we don't know their full strength, though their fleets within the Milky Way could also be steamrolled by the IoM, BECAUSE THEY WERE.

Unrelated, I am wondering what would happen if the Imperium had successfully retrieved the untainted plans for the castigator titans...they would never lose titan fights, ever. I am trying to think of what this would mean for the IoM as a whole.

First off, the tyranid fleets were just the very tip of the edge of the true size, cause if you look at all the tyranid maps in any codex you find them, only the very tips are in the Milky Way and not the main fleets.

As for the castigator titans, do you mean the one from the GK omnibus stories? And they would still lose titan fights, ever heard of a tyranid bio-titan?

IMO, at the very end of the univerise there will be three races, Necrons (they will find more tomb worlds or just use the lifeless rocks left by nids), Nids, and Chaos (Im including CSM and Daemons).

Cron have tomb worlds anywhere they want and I havent heard of nids eating a tomb world.

Tyranids will devour orks and man, also eldar and tau. But not Chaos (I dont think im spelling very well today)

Choas will have the Eye, im pretty sure the Hive Mind can't take on the 4 Chaos Gods and Crons dont want the eye ne ways.

Realistically little plastic models of Robots can't take over the universe. Actually I don't think any plastic model in the GW range can take over even a forbidden town in the State of New Mexico.

haahahaha god rammit matt this is no place for jokes! lol

Guys, guys...it's easy to defeat Necrons. In SS we say that you only need to destroy their power source and their entire army shut's down. Maybe this is some insight in new Necron codex? GW knows hos strong they are and in next codex will surly balalnce them toward other races, and make TAu or DE a little stronger...

As for the fleet...their fleet is to small to stand against any other fleet. In BFG you can defeat Necrons, but only in 3 to 1 ration - and if you like to take heavy losses... I why do you all talking about Necrons owning the day? Necrons could own everybody individually, but they cannot stand against entire galaxy... And good example for that is IoM who is the strongest faction ( still ), but lack the power to defeat all enemies - simply because there are lot of them...

SCYTHE9 wrote:Assuming that they are immune to it and able to repair, they still would be constantly attacked by deamons, who by their very nature, are immortal.

Not just deamons. The Servants of Chaos (Marines and traitor humans) would appear in large numbers crushing them.


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necrons aren't stupid either. They could pretend to sleep again so that the alliance would fall apart, or the Deciever could infiltrate it and break it from within Who knows
I personally think it thoroughly unlikely that the alliance would work, but feel free to think otherwise
As i said on the alliance front :
Maybe, maybe not.

You have many good points why the alliance wouldnt work so I except the fact "maybe or maybe not" though my bets are on maybe.


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Ascalam wrote:My point stands then, as you'd need to stop all the astartes from beating on the aliens you were trying to ally with If the imperium can't unite themselves they have no hope of a multi-race long term alliance. If they have independent factions that can ignore the orders of Holy Terra at will they will never unite.

As long as the council of Terra orders the Space Marines, Sisters of Battle, and Imperial Guards to stop all other attacks they will stop. Or then they will be granted as renegades and all the loyal legions will then stop and except their orders.

im2randomghgh wrote:C'tan devour souls, not flesh...

I'm pretty sure this isn't true. Souls are a mirror of a person in the Warp, so the C'tan wouldn't be able to use it and they'd struggle to get it in the first place. My assumption was that they 'devour' energy', but some types are tastier than others (energy from living things is tastier than energy from stars, for instance. Apparently, addictively so.)

Commissar Typhus wrote:
First off, the tyranid fleets were just the very tip of the edge of the true size, cause if you look at all the tyranid maps in any codex you find them, only the very tips are in the Milky Way and not the main fleets.

I think that that's to show the path they took, not their actual size. Two Hive Fleets have been pretty much destroyed. Leviathan is still on the rampage but we don't know how it's doing in the Octavius Empire.

As for the castigator titans, do you mean the one from the GK omnibus stories? And they would still lose titan fights, ever heard of a tyranid bio-titan?

I think he does, and if he does, then those Titans would be vastly superior to Bio-Titans. The whole point of them was that they were superior to the Titans the Imperium uses, which can seemingly do well against Bio-Titans.

Brother Coa wrote:As for the fleet...their fleet is to small to stand against any other fleet.

The problem is that that's as it stands at the moment, when large numbers of the Tomb Worlds are still dormant. We don't know the actual numbers of Necron ships. They also have superior faster-than-light travel than any other faction, so they could conceivably cut-off and destroy smaller portions of their fleets (as they won't all be in one position).

bob the heretic wrote:Not just deamons. The Servants of Chaos (Marines and traitor humans) would appear in large numbers crushing them.

Not in the actual Warp (or at least they shouldn't be. I'm not sure how the new Draigo background alters that. If he can wander around smashing stuff up, maybe mortal Chaos servants could do so as well (assuming the Chaos Gods grant them protection)).

Chaos ships apparently don't use Gellar fields since they are protected by their gods...
So they could easily fight the Necrons whilst in the warp.

purplefood wrote:Chaos ships apparently don't use Gellar fields since they are protected by their gods...
So they could easily fight the Necrons whilst in the warp.

...had the Necrons construct a series of 'pylons' on the world of Cadia, which, when completed, will close off the Warp from the material universe entirely, utterly destroying any living creatures with a soul, leaving all other life in the galaxy as nourishment for the C'tan...

wiki quote.

They almost destroyed the eye. If they had finished this projected, everything would die. So yes, they are a threat.

@BobtheHeretic, The mortal servants would come, but the necrons would keep reforming, and the chaos gods don't bother saving the lives of their mortal servants, only the immortal daemons and their greatest champions, so they would end up losing enormous resources there.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote: I think he does, and if he does, then those Titans would be vastly superior to Bio-Titans. The whole point of them was that they were superior to the Titans the Imperium uses, which can seemingly do well against Bio-Titans.

QFT

@ Brother Coa, the army doesn't shut down when you destroy their sources, the are not the droids from SW, they simply stop teleporting back to the monoliths for repairs, and even then, they are made of necrodermis, and so can still repair.

@ Commissar Typhus, I know this is just the tip of the iceberg, I even mentioned in my post that we have only defeated the first wave of attack, they were really just the vanguard....

im2randomghgh wrote:The army doesn't shut down when you destroy their sources, the are not the droids from SW, they simply stop teleporting back to the monoliths for repairs, and even then, they are made of necrodermis, and so can still repair.

Then how they all shut down in SS? They decide to do a softer update while in a middle of battle?

Notice how you're treating a videogame as canon? Yeah that REALLY proves less than nothing...

im2randomghgh wrote:Notice how you're treating a videogame as canon? Yeah that REALLY proves less than nothing...

Here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/362013.page

Almost everyone said DoW videogames ARE canon. So this video is canon since GW said that IG won the Kaurava campaign. So, Necrons where defeated by destroying their source of power, and that's valuable information indeed...

The Necrons just despaired and shut down because they had to be in a game where we have an Alpha Legion Lord who is even more dimwitted than good old Crull and who rants about metal boxes and a Space Marine Captain who suffers from a rather...odd speech impediment and realy sucks at...everything. ( poor guy, i can imagine how everyone in his company snickered whenever he tried to hold an "inspirational" speech ).

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:Notice how you're treating a videogame as canon? Yeah that REALLY proves less than nothing...

Here: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/362013.page

Almost everyone said DoW videogames ARE canon. So this video is canon since GW said that IG won the Kaurava campaign. So, Necrons where defeated by destroying their source of power, and that's valuable information indeed...

It is canon, which is why the Tau had a weapon that is exterminatus only for sentient beings right? If the Tau actually had that kind of weapon, they would butt rape the IoM all over the place, despite being 1/10,000 it's size.

The necron thing was just a cheap plot gimmick to explain why they would stop re-forming.

Never take anything from any source other than codexes, rulebooks, Imperial armour and BL as canon, ever.