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im2randomghgh wrote:
Never take anything from any source other than codexes, rulebooks, Imperial armour and BL as canon, ever.

I am sorry, but why?

These games are under GW licence, and BL writers wrote the campaign plot for every DoW game.

I know you are septic, because in DoW Necrons are the weakest race to play with ( they will always be owned by IG ) and nothing can stand against Celestians, SM with HB, mass of Guardsman with GL, Eldar Banshee rush... however, those games plots are GW canon and that's the end of the story.

I only take storyline and certain events as canon ( for "event's" I meant the videos of victorious race from the campaign ). And Necrons where defeated in SS by destroying their power sources, you saw the video - they didn't teleported, they just shut down.




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im2randomghgh wrote:
It is canon, which is why the Tau had a weapon that is exterminatus only for sentient beings right? If the Tau actually had that kind of weapon, they would butt rape the IoM all over the place, despite being 1/10,000 it's size.

And if I am not mistaken, that weapon is still experimental and it was tested on Kaurava. Since the Tau lost that campaign some time will pass until they use it again...
And weapon can be fired once on a while, and it had LARGE coll down and small area of effect...well, it's better than nothing...

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Never take anything from any source other than codexes, rulebooks, Imperial armour and BL as canon, ever.

I am sorry, but why?

These games are under GW licence, and BL writers wrote the campaign plot for every DoW game.

I know you are septic, because in DoW Necrons are the weakest race to play with ( they will always be owned by IG ) and nothing can stand against Celestians, SM with HB, mass of Guardsman with GL, Eldar Banshee rush... however, those games plots are GW canon and that's the end of the story.

I only take storyline and certain events as canon ( for "event's" I meant the videos of victorious race from the campaign ). And Necrons where defeated in SS by destroying their power sources, you saw the video - they didn't teleported, they just shut down.




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im2randomghgh wrote:
It is canon, which is why the Tau had a weapon that is exterminatus only for sentient beings right? If the Tau actually had that kind of weapon, they would butt rape the IoM all over the place, despite being 1/10,000 it's size.

And if I am not mistaken, that weapon is still experimental and it was tested on Kaurava. Since the Tau lost that campaign some time will pass until they use it again...
And weapon can be fired once on a while, and it had LARGE coll down and small area of effect...well, it's better than nothing...

GW just gives their name to it, and the writers, being freelance, can do whatevr they like.

Plus, you admitted to taking parts as canon but not others...inconsistent.

Plus the fact that there are multiple outcomes, and many variable mini-movies...it just means that it is literally impossible for it to be canon as it full-out contradicts itself

Cooldown doesn't matter-you're not going to be doing exterminatus all that often. But what really sets it apart is that it would make it super easy to capture enemy ships intact-a single shot gets you a ship.

The AoE isn't small in any way, not sure where you got that...interplanetary weapons don't snipe, they blow gak up.

Even the Ultramarines movie (which doesn't contradict itself endlessly like SS and is much more plausible) isn't canon, as all the ultramarine captains are named characters, and Severus isn't one of them.

Even the Ultramarines movie (which doesn't contradict itself endlessly like SS and is much more plausible) isn't canon, as all the ultramarine captains are named characters, and Severus isn't one of them.

Severus Agemman is listed as the UM 1st Company captain on Lexicanum. As befits the rank of captain of the 1st Company, he's also the Regent of Ultramar. I'm not sure, however, when this was codified on Lexicanum, as there's no direct source quoted for that position.

Agemman apparently succeeded Captain Invictus, who died at the Battle of Macragge.

Psienesis wrote:

Even the Ultramarines movie (which doesn't contradict itself endlessly like SS and is much more plausible) isn't canon, as all the ultramarine captains are named characters, and Severus isn't one of them.

Severus Agemman is listed as the UM 1st Company captain on Lexicanum. As befits the rank of captain of the 1st Company, he's also the Regent of Ultramar. I'm not sure, however, when this was codified on Lexicanum, as there's no direct source quoted for that position.

Agemman apparently succeeded Captain Invictus, who died at the Battle of Macragge.

When we're arguing about sources that can't be considered canon, it is generally not a good idea to quote lexicanum

im2randomghgh wrote:
GW just gives their name to it, and the writers, being freelance, can do whatevr they like.

GW won't publish anything that will confuse the gamers because they will know that will make them debate about canon stuff. Likr you and I, but I know for wrighters that they had at least 1 writher from BL, just to make sure that they don't go to far away.

Plus, you admitted to taking parts as canon but not others...inconsistent.
Plus the fact that there are multiple outcomes, and many variable mini-movies...it just means that it is literally impossible for it to be canon as it full-out contradicts itself

Yes I said that, let me simplify. I take for canon the movies of victorious race ( didn't bother to look at Tau endings when they lose in both games ). And for the "multiple outcomes" GW have resolved that by telling us: "this race has won the campaign, everybody else lost". SO canon movies would be that of SM in Kronus and IG on Kaurava.

Beside, you read the tread I give to you? Majority agreed that GW games ( all of them, even FireWarrior ) are canon. Simply because there is nothing out there to tell it otherwise and I have already explained multiple endings... They also said that "everybody that say otherwise simply don't like the outcome of the story", so I am guessing that you play as Tau in both games and it must be really hard on you when you learned that they lost in both games. I know how it was, I was little sad when I learned about Kaurava and SM, but accepted that and move forward...

Cooldown doesn't matter-you're not going to be doing exterminatus all that often. But what really sets it apart is that it would make it super easy to capture enemy ships intact-a single shot gets you a ship.

The AoE isn't small in any way, not sure where you got that...interplanetary weapons don't snipe, they blow gak up.

In Tau case this IW snipe, they snipe the small area of the land and kill every living thing. And it was not confirmed in SS that weapon can penetrate void shields.


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im2randomghgh wrote:
When we're arguing about sources that can't be considered canon, it is generally not a good idea to quote lexicanum

Why not? Lexicanum stand beside codex and rulebook as official canon site. Are you saying that things on Lexicanum are not canon? That's like saying that Wikipedia is not canon to everything.

Beside Ultramarines movie story is canon, you have all characters on Lexicanum, they even done a interlude story with Tyranid invasion to the planet.

im2randomghgh wrote:Notice how you're treating a videogame as canon? Yeah that REALLY proves less than nothing...

Well the Imperial Guards have actually wone Soul storm, GW announced it along time ago. Check it on the internet or ask them yourself.

GangstaMuffin24 wrote:

Defiler37 wrote:So based on what i read through my codex and a few pages of the big rulebook, in every story about necrons its just one army getting completely wiped out without killing one. So is it me or can the necrons literally not be killed in the story of 40k? cant they just take over the universe?

I think you'll find that the codex for every army makes them sound like the most unstoppable force in the universe.

What about the IG? I have an older version codex, and it has stories about them getting killed and betrayed. Even the pictures have them having there heads being clawed off by the 'nids. Also, in all the non-Imperium codexes I have read, the Guard are always the ones being taken out by your brand new army. Example: Stormtroopers being ripped in half by zoanthropes, A T'au walker shooting the side of a Leman Russ, and having the occupants being sucked out of the exit hole (About 5cm wide at most) and finally, to do with this thread, the Cadian 23rd being wiped out by Necrons in an ambush. Notable occurences in that story: Guardsmen being flayed, a glancing hit with gauss, causing a large, bloody wound, only to have the wind blow sand in it and a still wet skinned body that a Flayed one had just given a once over.


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Urien_Rakarth wrote:Its my theory that if you over whelm the Necrons enough, and then destroy the tomb world, then they'll have no where to Phase Out too...

When has anyone overwhelmed the 'crons who weren't Old Ones

The guard are there to spray and pray, then fry and die...

Problem is there's always more of them to ship in..

GROPO infestations are harder to get rid of than cockroaches..

Defiler37 wrote:So based on what i read through my codex and a few pages of the big rulebook, in every story about necrons its just one army getting completely wiped out without killing one. So is it me or can the necrons literally not be killed in the story of 40k? cant they just take over the universe?

Fear not, Mat Ward will see to it that as far as necron history goes they are repaired and services by Jawa's in those huge brown land vehicles. Also they breed with various forms of trees to create baby necrons. However, the baby necrons are then devoured by upstart sisters of battle as their initiation rite to wear power armor. Then the devoured baby necrons will burst from the sister's chests and Ripley from Aliens will need to be called upon to take a Dreadknight into battle against the necron lord. At this point the Dark Eldar and Eldar will unite to battle the vast necron horde along with a strong alliance between the Grey Knights and Chaos Daemons.

Also Tyranids become domesticated and household pets of the IG regiments.

Fully awakened Necrons would be hard to stop as C'tan were throwing system killing black holes for fun(it's in their Codex).On the other hand we all know that the Emperor or something else will vanquish them.

An emp will make short work of them.

Once again- Emp can be shielded against. These aren't the matrix bots

I think the really old (pre-codex) necrons emenated an emp field that shut down tech, so odds are they know hoe to harden their systems against EMP.

The Soul Drinkers did it barely in Hellforged.


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IvanTih wrote:Fully awakened Necrons would be hard to stop as C'tan were throwing system killing black holes for fun(it's in their Codex).On the other hand we all know that the Emperor or something else will vanquish them.

Unfortunately, we all know it's never going to happen and all the armies will continue to duke it out in the longest year in history, 40,999.

Grimdark Groundhog day

Magnets were shown to stop Necron repairs in FoD but no one seems to have ever tried it elsewhere, but it does have potential!

Why not give them a subscription to ps3? OR give them a trojan virus?

Asherian Command wrote:Why not give them a subscription to ps3? OR give them a trojan virus?

Unfortunately ps3's have been deemed heresy by Adeptus Mechanicus and no one wants to be close enough to upload a virus.

Get a Mac laptop, a couple of cigars , a captured monolith to fly up to the mothership and a vortex missile

Either that or make them watch robot chicken. They will be so traumatized that they will be un-made and the C'tan will give up their physical bodies and stop consuming energy from living beings on the condition we shut it off.

superjail is FAR WORSE than Robot Chicken.

Also, robot chicken FTW!

The only real threat are the eldar, and they are a shadow of what they once were....mostly dead.

Imperium? Alliances?
The deciever can be anyone at anytime. If he can create wars at a whim, he could easily stop any alliances he wanted.

Heck, if he joined with the Ctan on mars....yeah, the mechanicus would follow him...that would be a civil war....

The irony is, that Necrons and Nids make perfect allies....until the food runs out. Ctan eat souls, then bugs eat bodies...

Bugs move on to next galaxy....ctan go back to sleep waiting for any microbes to repopulate the galaxy again.

Ironically, chaos might be the only answer.

Unless the creators of the tau have some miracle card...

davethepak wrote:The only real threat are the eldar, and they are a shadow of what they once were....mostly dead.

Imperium? Alliances?
The deciever can be anyone at anytime. If he can create wars at a whim, he could easily stop any alliances he wanted.

Heck, if he joined with the Ctan on mars....yeah, the mechanicus would follow him...that would be a civil war....

The irony is, that Necrons and Nids make perfect allies....until the food runs out. Ctan eat souls, then bugs eat bodies...

Bugs move on to next galaxy....ctan go back to sleep waiting for any microbes to repopulate the galaxy again.

Ironically, chaos might be the only answer.

Unless the creators of the tau have some miracle card...

Oh yeah, the eldar, they made a bunch of weapons to annihilate Necrons if they ever came back and then the Deceiver went amongst them, found the weapons, and then destroyed most of them and put the rest well out of reach of the Farseers for all time. And there are already those in the adeptus Mechanicus who follow him and are the reason why he has been able to harvest and make pariahs.

pg 31 Codex Necrons