ChiliPowderKeg wrote:1.Pariahs are squatted? How?! Sure their rules were below schmeh, but their fluff was well established (in a book whose fluff was very lacking). If Pariahs aren't so, then what happens to the Pariah gene? Shouldn't Culexi be removed as well if there are no humans with the Pariah gene to supply more Pariahs after their demise?

AgeOfEgos wrote:
Nerd Rage Level: Yellow (Heightened)

Phototoxin wrote:What do I do with my 10 pariahs?

ph34r wrote:Welcome to 5e: even the non-mech armies have to mech-up or go home.

yakface wrote:
Hello everyone,

I have gotten my hands on some fairly solid Necron rumors. I say they are fairly solid because the source I got them from has proved reliable in the past, however the rumors themselves are indeed 2nd hand (I didn't see the codex myself), and therefore I can't personally verify any of this. That also means if you have any more questions on anything I (probably) won't be able to provide you with any more details (as I don't have them).

Anyway here goes:


1) No surprise here, but Necrons are still essentially Tomb Kings in space fluff wise. A shift in fluff is now that all of the higher up necrons are intelligent while the lower level ones are still basically automatons. I guess that's roughly the same as it used to be, but apparently there is more emphasis in the sentience of the higher Necrons now (hence the named Lords).

I like this, to a certain extent. It should add to some of the flavor of the army. I hope they don't go overboard though.


2) C'Tan are still in the codex...sort of. They have been moved to the Elites section and are now a single unit choice, but with variable upgrade powers you can take.

I'm skeptical. To me this sounds more like a lesser Necron unit channeling C'Tan powers, only because it would be a bit odd for Necron armies to be running around with squads of super-star gods.


3) We'll be Back is no longer called that and it is NOT Feel No Pain. Basically it is a 5+ bonus save similar to Feel No Pain, but doesn't get cancelled out by double strength, AP1/2, etc. In addition, this save is made at the END of the phase after morale tests are taken. If the unit is wiped out or is falling back at the end of the phase, then the save cannot be used. So as an opponent, if you manage to wipe the unit out or make them fall back, then you prevent any Necrons from getting back up...unless the unit has something called the 'ever-living' rule, in which case it gets to attempt this save even if the unit is wiped out.

This seems better, maybe. Looks like the list of restrictions/exceptions/exceptions to exceptions is much less complicated. Also, having it at the end of the phase reduces the chances of it interacting brokenly with other rules. I expect this might pan out as a nerf for lower-level necrons, but still be on par with current WBB for some of the stronger ones ('cause of ever-living).


4) Gauss Weaponry does NOT have rending. It retains the 'auto-glance' on a penetration roll of a '6' rule, but apparently otherwise has lost the 'auto-wound' on a roll of a '6' regardless of Toughness that it used to have. The Gauss Cannon is now apparently Assault 2 & AP3 (I'm assuming the Strength is still 6). The Gaus Flux Arc on the Monolith no longer automatically hits every unit within range, instead each one fires separately and can hit four different targets.

Doesn't seem like much of a change, which is disappointing from a flavor standpoint. I was hoping for some neat rules to make them more than just "Glancing Bolters." The loss of the auto-wound on a 6 isn't really a big deal though, as it only mattered against T8+ creatures, since the guns were S4. Interesting changes to the more exotic weapons though. Looks like standard streamlining/power buffing for a 5th ed codex.

5) Phase out is gone.

Not really surprising. This explains why WBB got nerfed a bit.


6) Destroyers now count as jump infantry and there is a new Fast Attack Jetbike unit called Tomb Blades.

An interesting change. Not much else to say here though with such little info.


7) Immortals are now a Troops choice. Pariahs are gone. Flayed Ones are Elites.

I wonder how Troop Immortals are going to compare to regular Warriors. It will be interesting to see if they totally eclipse them. Elite Flayed Ones is a bit of a bummer, but does keep Necrons out of the "shooty troop/stabby troop" thing that almost all other armies have.


8) There are indeed 6 named characters (although I have no more info on them). There is also a Necron Overlord and a bodyguard unit called Crypteks. Crypteks can be split off before the game to lead units of Necrons, very similar to Wolf Guard in the Space Wolves codex. Crypteks can take a bunch of different technology upgrades, so there is kind of a way now to have personalized squad leaders in a Necron army.

Meh, could be intriguing. Need to hear more.


9) They army is much more mobile now in general. They have several units of jump troops, and 2 new transport vehicles. 1 transport can carry 15 necrons while another can carry 10. Jump pack units count as 2 models and jetbikes count as 5. The one that holds 10 is able to recover casualties to a unit (although can't take it beyond its starting strength). Necron vehicles besides the monolith are open-topped skimmers. However they have something called 'Quantum shielding' which gives their front & side armor +2 until the vehicle takes its first glance/pen, at which point it loses the shielding. One of these two transports (not sure which one) is apparently a personal transport for the Lord (and his retinue).

I'm going to agree with some of the other posters... this is a bit disappointing. While I imagine shielded "skiffs" might turn out to be cool, I never felt like Necrons needed transports from a flavor standpoint.


10) There are six new vehicles in the codex (including the two transports mentioned above). Two of which seem to be based around this old Jes Goodwin design: http://storage.canalblog.com/29/28/731795/53057637.jpg

More vehicles apparently means more money, so this isn't surprising, but I feel the same way as with the transports. Meh.


11) In general Necrons have a lot more long ranged fire support. There is also a new weapon type called Tesla weapons. These weapons, on a roll of '6' to hit automatically cause two more hits. The biggest version of the Tesla weapons has a chance of hitting all other units close to the target; both friend and foe. One of the new vehicles carries the doomsday cannon: 72" S9 AP1 Heavy 1 large blast. BS4.

Interesting. Need to see more.


12) In the Elites section there is a big new walker. It has a heat ray that that is either a melta or flamer depending on what you want to do. Any unit hit by this vehicle is marked (as in: laser targeted), which means that all other necrons count as being twin-linked for shooting at the marked enemy unit that turn.

Better version of the Tomb Stalker maybe? Sounds nasty.



And that's it! Kind of all over the place and certainly not a full snapshot of the codex, but a lot of these things are completely opposite from many of the other rumors I've seen out there.

Phototoxin wrote:What do I do with my 10 pariahs?

Avatar 720 wrote:I'm assuming that since destroyers are probably still in (and as jump troops), and so are warriors, that now would be a good time to buy a battleforce or two in preperation and to avoid the price hike and contents removal that is sure to follow the new codex?

Avatar 720 wrote:I'm assuming that since destroyers are probably still in (and as jump troops), and so are warriors, that now would be a good time to buy a battleforce or two in preperation and to avoid the price hike and contents removal that is sure to follow the new codex?

Adam LongWalker wrote:Answer: WARD + writing = Reconned Fluff.