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Flashman wrote:We should put our foot down and stop all this independence nonsense. It's time to take back the colonies, starting with America.

What, you want some more? Bring it!

Flashman wrote:We should put our foot down and stop all this independence nonsense. It's time to take back the colonies, starting with America.

I have always loved the term "The American Empire". Lets colonize the UK!

Kanluwen wrote:

Flashman wrote:We should put our foot down and stop all this independence nonsense. It's time to take back the colonies, starting with America.

What, you want some more? Bring it!

Frazzled wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Flashman wrote:We should put our foot down and stop all this independence nonsense. It's time to take back the colonies, starting with America.

What, you want some more? Bring it!

I miss that man.

Most of the trouble makers are proberbly the Irish imagrents that support the IRA just take a look how celtic football club act to rangers and the rest of the uk. So all the Scots are not to blame but if they want indep let them more money for the rest of the uk england already gets screwed with the cash distribution

Flashman wrote:We should put our foot down and stop all this independence nonsense. It's time to take back the colonies, starting with America.

You can have Alabama, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and a few other of our more backward states to start.

Eventually you'll realize you really don't want them and you'll try to give them back.

Steu wrote:Most of the trouble makers are proberbly the Irish imagrents that support the IRA just take a look how celtic football club act to rangers and the rest of the uk. So all the Scots are not to blame but if they want indep let them more money for the rest of the uk england already gets screwed with the cash distribution

if I were Irish I'd be peaved at you right about now. But I'm not so I don't care.

htj wrote:Well, I'd imagine they'd join the EU. That'd certainly help out on the financial stakes, no small amount.

I'm not sure the EU would be in a position financially to help another "Celtic tiger". I'm not saying that Scotland has the same problems as Eire, Portugal and Greece, but they do have a much higher standard of social provision than in England, and could no longer rely on the Barnet Formula that makes the rest of the UK pay for it, if they seceded from the Union. I don't know whether North Seas revenues would cover the difference.

The big EU countries, Germany, France, and the UK to some degree, are getting a bit tired of bailing out profligate peripheral nations so their citizens can retire on full pensions at 55 while we slave on to 70 for a reduced pension.

Apart from that, if Scotland became a separate nation, obviously the rest of the UK would still have a close relationship with them, but they would need their own passports and various trappings of nationhood. There would have to be close cooperation on defence matters.

Scotland should join the USA just to spite the English. They'll rebuild Hadrian's wall out of McDonald's and Ford trucks.

As far as getting the colonies back... I think that we'll feel bad enough for you guys that we'll let you borrow some ships and give you a head start.

Kanluwen wrote:

Flashman wrote:We should put our foot down and stop all this independence nonsense. It's time to take back the colonies, starting with America.

What, you want some more? Bring it!

Fool! France won't save you this time!

The closest date for any sort of independace pitch by the SNP is 2018, so its not as if this is going to be any real issue until then. I guess the primary reason that the SNP won by a landslide is obvious- long and short, Scots can't be bothered with another Thatcher-, but what the world seems to be ignoring is that independance isn't the view of all the SNP, nor may it be one of their short term goals- use it to get elected, bring it about a few terms in if at all. At the moment it'd be ridiculous to become independant. It may have been an option a decade ago, but seriously in the state the UK is in right now it'd only lead to another bail out and bugger up the UK's economy. The attitude that people take towards scots and nationalism though is a bit of a bore though. Hell, in this thread alone you've got the usual casual racism that we Scots invariably come up against south of the border an elsewhere. Pft, if independance comes, at least we have good MPs that'll make sure it comes at a point when the country can stand on its own two feet. =)

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Flashman wrote:We should put our foot down and stop all this independence nonsense. It's time to take back the colonies, starting with America.

What, you want some more? Bring it!

Fool! France won't save you this time!

Pshaw!

We'll get Canada on our side!

I think we get the entire western hemisphere on our side thanks to the Monroe Doctrine.

Red rover, red rover, send Limey on over.

Scotland is a gakhole.

Thatcher was a devil whore and we will celebrate her overdue death.

If the world map was pink again we wouldn't have this problem...

Tad overboard for a family forum old boy...

Mate if I do recall correctly you said how you would have loved to torture OBL on this family forum...

So I think it is you that should perhaps simmer down.

Medium of Death wrote:Mate if I do recall correctly you said how you would have loved to torture OBL on this family forum...

So I think it is you that should perhaps simmer down.

Ah, but I never called him names

(That and not only did someone call me on it, but I think I was probably reported at least once for it, and I didn't even use offensive language)

Sticks and stones mate, sticks and stones...

Medium of Death wrote:Scotland is a gakhole.

Thatcher was a devil whore and we will celebrate her overdue death.

If the world map was pink again we wouldn't have this problem...

Kilts, Haggis and Thatcher strike a bit of a nerve with you?

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:Scotland is a gakhole.

Thatcher was a devil whore and we will celebrate her overdue death.

If the world map was pink again we wouldn't have this problem...

Kilts, Haggis and Thatcher strike a bit of a nerve with you?

Not really sure what your getting at. However...

Thatcher is the devil incarnate.

Haggis isn't that great, not bad from time to time though.

Kilts are worn at weddings, but best avoided otherwise.

I imagine it will turn out a lot like Quebec Independence did in Canada. A lot of threatening to leave, but never actually getting around to it as the concessions it gained from the Crown were too good to pass up.

Enjoy the next 30 years of hearing them clamour about leaving and a baloney political issue that'll get drummed up every time you go to select your area's biggest self-serving liar to represent you in London.

Wyrmalla wrote:The closest date for any sort of independace pitch by the SNP is 2018, so its not as if this is going to be any real issue until then. I guess the primary reason that the SNP won by a landslide is obvious- long and short, Scots can't be bothered with another Thatcher-, but what the world seems to be ignoring is that independance isn't the view of all the SNP, nor may it be one of their short term goals- use it to get elected, bring it about a few terms in if at all. At the moment it'd be ridiculous to become independant. It may have been an option a decade ago, but seriously in the state the UK is in right now it'd only lead to another bail out and bugger up the UK's economy. The attitude that people take towards scots and nationalism though is a bit of a bore though. Hell, in this thread alone you've got the usual casual racism that we Scots invariably come up against south of the border an elsewhere. Pft, if independance comes, at least we have good MPs that'll make sure it comes at a point when the country can stand on its own two feet. =)

You are aware that it is a reaction to the attitude SOME Scots have. Things like anyone but England and the very real racism you encounter in some areas.Most Scots don't hold this attitude, but most English have no problem with the Scottish

On a serious note though, look at the results of the local elections..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/election2011/council/html/ff.stm

Basically all of England is blue, but we have to have a coalition? I can only presume thats because we are still attached to Scotland. I want rid of them.

Oh and while im on...

Wyrmalla wrote: The attitude that people take towards scots and nationalism though is a bit of a bore though. Hell, in this thread alone you've got the usual casual racism that we Scots invariably come up against south of the border an elsewhere.

This, is absolute unmitigated gak.

My Grandad is a Scot, so on a personal level i have absolutely no issue with Scots, but when were stereotyping as a nation, i most definitely do. Some of my best friends in the RM are Scots, but its thanks to my long discussions with them, and my personal experience as a boy growing up, that allows me to feel I can take the moral high ground when it comes to arguing with bitter whinging Scotsmen.

As a lad growing up in England, being the biggest of the 4 in this shambolic union of dislike, we don't have an issue with the Irish, Scottish or Welsh. We have a simplistic attitude at 9 years old, blissfully unaware of such issues of division. We read Oor Wullie books, we watch supergran on TV, we supported Scotland and Ireland and Wales when England weren't playing in the football. I remember cheering the Republic of Ireland at every match in USA 94 for example..

Not so in Scotland. Your raise your children with hate. They learn hate for the "English" while still on the teat. You see 8 year old lads with myspace and youtube accounts "hate the English! "Hate the English" they shriek. You see 8 year old kids on T4 going "My name is Angus and my favourite felm is Braveheart cos we kill all the English"

Now, when you come of age, and you go to Northern Ireland and you get bricks thrown at you by 6 year old boys, then you really come to understand how hate works, and how its bred into children before they have an understanding of why they hate something in the first place. That's real hate for you, and real "racism".

Im not man enough to turn the other cheek, i respond in kind. If your referring to any of my comments as "casual racism" towards the Scots, then your exactly right, but it is in response to the knowledge that many Scots raise their children on hatred, and i really really hate that, because ive had to keep children from stabbing each other thanks to their degenerate parents breeding this loathing into them, and lets be honest, the English don't do it do they? Sure, some scummy white trash ingrates might teach their kids hatred against immigrants, or blacks, or whatever, or maybe even the French.

But not against their cousins North or South of the border, that's something you lot love to do.

As far as im concerned, its casual racism in response to childhood indoctrination, I feel i occupy the moral highground in this issue, and as a result yes, i genuinelly do dislike "The Scots" on a national level.

I want to rebuild Hadrians wall, force every Scotsman out of England (I prefer the Poles) boot them all out of the Army/Navy/Airforce and leave them all to it.

Not on a personal level of course, im merely enforcing some national stereotypes.

Wyrmalla wrote:The attitude that people take towards scots and nationalism though is a bit of a bore though. Hell, in this thread alone you've got the usual casual racism that we Scots invariably come up against south of the border an elsewhere. Pft, if independance comes, at least we have good MPs that'll make sure it comes at a point when the country can stand on its own two feet. =)

Well, we had a Scottish Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister (who later became Prime Minister) for over 10 years just a short while ago. We paid MILLIONS (10-40 times original estimate) to build the most ugly building in the world just to keep some more over paid, lying scum in (rather than putting them all in jail where they probably belong).

Together they helped completely destroy our economy, education system, healthcare system, armed forces, world reputation, etc...

I have absolutely nothing against the average Scot - the majority I have met have been pretty cool people and most of the "casual racism" is just that - casual banter engaged in by both sides (also note that "Scottish" is not a race). I also have to agree with the gist of what Mattyrm said - I would support Scotland in the football or rugby (well, when they can make it past the first round ) but I have never heard of that being recipricated. Hell, I know some Scottish people who would cheer for FRANCE over England. France? Really?

I have nothing against the area known as Scotland, however one chooses to define it, however, calls for independence make no sense (for Scotland anyway, England would probably benefit from it financially) and are unlikely to even in 10-20 years. As much as your politicians spout about it, they will never have it so good if they split - the English gravy train would stop and their ability to vote in England only related issues would cease.

Can you imagine Scotland paying for all the things English tax money is currently handing to you on a platter? You would need 90% taxation to support it.

Melissia wrote:

Flashman wrote:We should put our foot down and stop all this independence nonsense. It's time to take back the colonies, starting with America.

You can have Alabama, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and a few other of our more backward states to start.

Eventually you'll realize you really don't want them and you'll try to give them back.

We would turn them into the new Australia - some hot wasteland where we would dump convicts. Then in a couple of hundred years we might come back as tourists to enjoy the weather and primitive "culture" (AKA beer and surfing )

SilverMK2 wrote:

We would turn them into the new Australia - some hot wasteland where we would dump convicts. Then in a couple of hundred years we might come back as tourists to enjoy the weather and primitive "culture" (AKA beer and surfing )

but thats what makes us awesome right? .... right?

Devolution is coming...it's just a matter of time, for Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England.

mattyrm wrote:On a serious note though, look at the results of the local elections..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/election2011/council/html/ff.stm

Basically all of England is blue, but we have to have a coalition? I can only presume thats because we are still attached to Scotland. I want rid of them.

Oh and while im on...

Wyrmalla wrote: The attitude that people take towards scots and nationalism though is a bit of a bore though. Hell, in this thread alone you've got the usual casual racism that we Scots invariably come up against south of the border an elsewhere.

This, is absolute unmitigated gak.

My Grandad is a Scot, so on a personal level i have absolutely no issue with Scots, but when were stereotyping as a nation, i most definitely do. Some of my best friends in the RM are Scots, but its thanks to my long discussions with them, and my personal experience as a boy growing up, that allows me to feel I can take the moral high ground when it comes to arguing with bitter whinging Scotsmen.

As a lad growing up in England, being the biggest of the 4 in this shambolic union of dislike, we don't have an issue with the Irish, Scottish or Welsh. We have a simplistic attitude at 9 years old, blissfully unaware of such issues of division. We read Oor Wullie books, we watch supergran on TV, we supported Scotland and Ireland and Wales when England weren't playing in the football. I remember cheering the Republic of Ireland at every match in USA 94 for example..

Not so in Scotland. Your raise your children with hate. They learn hate for the "English" while still on the teat. You see 8 year old lads with myspace and youtube accounts "hate the English! "Hate the English" they shriek. You see 8 year old kids on T4 going "My name is Angus and my favourite felm is Braveheart cos we kill all the English"

Now, when you come of age, and you go to Northern Ireland and you get bricks thrown at you by 6 year old boys, then you really come to understand how hate works, and how its bred into children before they have an understanding of why they hate something in the first place. That's real hate for you, and real "racism".

Im not man enough to turn the other cheek, i respond in kind. If your referring to any of my comments as "casual racism" towards the Scots, then your exactly right, but it is in response to the knowledge that many Scots raise their children on hatred, and i really really hate that, because ive had to keep children from stabbing each other thanks to their degenerate parents breeding this loathing into them, and lets be honest, the English don't do it do they? Sure, some scummy white trash ingrates might teach their kids hatred against immigrants, or blacks, or whatever, or maybe even the French.

But not against their cousins North or South of the border, that's something you lot love to do.

As far as im concerned, its casual racism in response to childhood indoctrination, I feel i occupy the moral highground in this issue, and as a result yes, i genuinelly do dislike "The Scots" on a national level.

I want to rebuild Hadrians wall, force every Scotsman out of England (I prefer the Poles) boot them all out of the Army/Navy/Airforce and leave them all to it.

Not on a personal level of course, im merely enforcing some national stereotypes.

What is the sentiment within the UK towards past persecution of the Irish and Scots by the English? Something like 'the past is the past', 'we're all one happy family now'? Maybe memories of this have something to do with the latest election results.


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Frazzled wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Flashman wrote:We should put our foot down and stop all this independence nonsense. It's time to take back the colonies, starting with America.

What, you want some more? Bring it!

That's goddamned right!

Kanluwen wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Flashman wrote:We should put our foot down and stop all this independence nonsense. It's time to take back the colonies, starting with America.

What, you want some more? Bring it!

Fool! France won't save you this time!

Pshaw!

We'll get Canada on our side!

Canada would be on our side because I think the queen is stil head of state over there, I think its the same with Australia but I'm not sure.

heacy hitter wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Flashman wrote:We should put our foot down and stop all this independence nonsense. It's time to take back the colonies, starting with America.

What, you want some more? Bring it!

Fool! France won't save you this time!

Pshaw!

We'll get Canada on our side!

Canada would be on our side because I think the queen is stil head of state over there, I think its the same with Australia but I'm not sure.

You can have Canada, but lets flip a coin for Australia.

Nocculum wrote:Devolution is coming...it's just a matter of time, for Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England.

Well, their finest hour was quite a few years ago.