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Nerivant wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

BobMorton wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

Brother Gyoken wrote:Oh look... it's unfunny emotes again

You think we are happy about this thread poping up ever couple of months?

I am just showing what everyone is feeling.

No one is forcing you to look at this thread buddy - ever thought of that? Or does the mere fact that the exists is so offensive to you that you have to whine about it like a little girl?

I like the original concept of the thread, talking about a tabletop version of SC. I like SC. I like 40k. The problem I have are the "blizzkids" who insist starcraft is the best science fiction evah and wont listen to reason that it is a 40k ripe. I am entitled to my opinion on this subject and feel that I should share it, same as everyone else.

Wait, you claim you're entitled to your opinion, and then claim that those that don't share it are unreasonable?

This isn't the place for a 40k/SC argument, leave that to another board.

Apparently I fail to get my point across. My apologies. Now, I shall leave this thread, never to return, and watch our glorious troll overlords starve.

The_Happy_Pig wrote:I do find it quite amusing that people say Starcraft is a rip off, yet the warhammer universe, both WFB and 40k shamelessly rip off loads of books/films/comics/cartoons. From Tolkien to Aliens, from sci fi manga/anime to classical heroic fiction.

Not saying WHFB/40k doesn't rip stuff off, but at least a majority of it isn't from the same source...

Oh, and I like Warcraft and think Starcraft is a good game, if not exactly my cup of tea, so don't think I'm hating on them.

Happygrunt wrote:

BobMorton wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:

Brother Gyoken wrote:Oh look... it's unfunny emotes again

You think we are happy about this thread poping up ever couple of months?

I am just showing what everyone is feeling.

No one is forcing you to look at this thread buddy - ever thought of that? Or does the mere fact that the exists is so offensive to you that you have to whine about it like a little girl?

I like the original concept of the thread, talking about a tabletop version of SC. I like SC. I like 40k. The problem I have are the "blizzkids" who insist starcraft is the best science fiction evah and wont listen to reason that it is a 40k ripe. I am entitled to my opinion on this subject and feel that I should share it, same as everyone else.

I can;t believe a presumably grown-ass man is using the word "blizzkids" unironically.

Also, please point out who in this thread has said starcraft is the best science fiction "evah." Wow, meme image macros, "blizzkids" and "evah." You're sure adding a lot to the conversation.

BobMorton wrote:Why not? The Lords of the Rings is a major franchise but they licensed GW to make a whole range of models and a table top game!

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thats cos the Perry twins are best friends with Peter Jackson and try to teach him to sculpt mins as well.

Movac wrote:

Brother Gyoken wrote:

Movac wrote:Before Activision got their greasy hands on Blizzard, WC and SC were high quality GW ripoffs. Now their IPs are just pathetic.

LOL Please enlighten us as to how Warcraft is a GW ripoff.

*blows on his bolt pistol as he watches the limp corpse of another blizzkid fall over*

Sorry man, SC/WC are just big ripoffs, used to be fun games for what they were though.

Another person using the word "blizzkid" unironically.

I see what you mean though. That thin, wiry elf with a sword and pistol is really similar to the bulky, purple alien with energy blades coming out of his wrist.

GW did have the trademark on giant space bugs though. There's so many franchises and properties ripping poor GW off like Aliens, Starship Troopers (the book), any comic book from the 1950s, 1920s sci-fi serials, any number of horror movies, etc. I mean, these things predate G.W. but there's always the possibility of those companies using a time machine in their perfidy.

My heart also bleeds when I think of how GW invented a unique visual style with the Tau and then the Japanese created an entire animation style and genre around it. Those crafty bastards!

Zerg are no more a ripoff of Tyranids than Nids are of the film "Alien." Everything is derivative. Being insulting and acting superior when people bring that fact to light makes you look like a jerk.

Fantasy flight games already makes a Star Craft Board Game.

With miniatures even.

Products here

That'd be the same FFS that does GW's games, too?

Why would GW make another line of models that are already very similar to their own? Terran Marines, very similar to Space Marines in design. Zerg, very similar to Tyranids in design. Protoss are more distinct from all GW models in their design, but you'll have to enlighten my if they too are very similar to other GW ideas or other parts of sci-fi in general.

Brother Gyoken wrote:

Movac wrote:

Brother Gyoken wrote:

Movac wrote:Before Activision got their greasy hands on Blizzard, WC and SC were high quality GW ripoffs. Now their IPs are just pathetic.

LOL Please enlighten us as to how Warcraft is a GW ripoff.

*blows on his bolt pistol as he watches the limp corpse of another blizzkid fall over*

Sorry man, SC/WC are just big ripoffs, used to be fun games for what they were though.

Another person using the word "blizzkid" unironically.

I see what you mean though. That thin, wiry elf with a sword and pistol is really similar to the bulky, purple alien with energy blades coming out of his wrist.

GW did have the trademark on giant space bugs though. There's so many franchises and properties ripping poor GW off like Aliens, Starship Troopers (the book), any comic book from the 1950s, 1920s sci-fi serials, any number of horror movies, etc. I mean, these things predate G.W. but there's always the possibility of those companies using a time machine in their perfidy.

My heart also bleeds when I think of how GW invented a unique visual style with the Tau and then the Japanese created an entire animation style and genre around it. Those crafty bastards!

Zerg are no more a ripoff of Tyranids than Nids are of the film "Alien." Everything is derivative. Being insulting and acting superior when people bring that fact to light makes you look like a jerk.

lol, another blizzkid. I love how he threw his community college logic at me, are you getting your PHD in Rhetoric from Devry or University of Phoenix Online? Using an idea from a book versus completely ripping off concept art( check raveners > hydralisks, gaunts > lings, carns > ultralisks) is not even close to being comparable.

PS: It's not really acting superior or as a jerk, I just hate stupid people...like yourself. You seemed to take my insult of a company personally because of your diminished intellect, which is fine, I forgive you and know you can't help yourself.

Movac wrote:

lol, another blizzkid. I love how he threw his community college logic at me, are you getting your PHD in Rhetoric from Devry or University of Phoenix Online? Using an idea from a book versus completely ripping off concept art( check raveners > hydralisks, gaunts > lings, carns > ultralisks) is not even close to being comparable.

PS: It's not really acting superior or as a jerk, I just hate stupid people...like yourself. You seemed to take my insult of a company personally because of your diminished intellect, which is fine, I forgive you and know you can't help yourself.

Let's see... nope, you're acting superior, and being an ass, and defending your actions by dehumanizing a person because you think they aren't as intelligent as you.

Go back to 4chan.

Movac wrote:lol, another blizzkid. I love how he threw his community college logic at me, are you getting your PHD in Rhetoric from Devry or University of Phoenix Online? Using an idea from a book versus completely ripping off concept art( check raveners > hydralisks, gaunts > lings, carns > ultralisks) is not even close to being comparable.

PS: It's not really acting superior or as a jerk, I just hate stupid people...like yourself. You seemed to take my insult of a company personally because of your diminished intellect, which is fine, I forgive you and know you can't help yourself.

This post is a clear violation of the forum rules. Being rude and insulting other posters is not acceptable.

Please find polite ways to express your opinions.

Thank you.

Lorek wrote:

Movac wrote:lol, another blizzkid. I love how he threw his community college logic at me, are you getting your PHD in Rhetoric from Devry or University of Phoenix Online? Using an idea from a book versus completely ripping off concept art( check raveners > hydralisks, gaunts > lings, carns > ultralisks) is not even close to being comparable.

PS: It's not really acting superior or as a jerk, I just hate stupid people...like yourself. You seemed to take my insult of a company personally because of your diminished intellect, which is fine, I forgive you and know you can't help yourself.

This post is a clear violation of the forum rules. Being rude and insulting other posters is not acceptable.

Please find polite ways to express your opinions.

Thank you.

I apologize Lorek, but I can't help it when some neckbeard takes my comments personally and slams his meaty digits into the keyboard with such hostility.

The whole situation was a lot like Rambo: First Blood. "All I wanted was something to eat", Rambo John, J in the form of easy posts to replace my terrible Assault Marine title. But nooo, these guys had to get in my way.

"It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!"

Nothing is original, I don't even know why people try to defend either side.

Besides, there is no need to actually make a side game when you can convert nids into zerg, spaz marines into terran, however making protoss would be tough... Perhaps wraithguard, striking scorpion and ... hmmm... war walkers?

The idea is there, though the starcraft board game is probably as far as it would get. Blizzard probably wouldn't want their players to focus on something else, after all look at flipping WOW.

Also play nice kids. We know that pc gamers are the master race and all, but that's only regarding the console war stuffs. Letting emotion into your post just discredits yourself further.

Protoss are probably more related to Eldar thematically, with the whole "we're a nearly-extinct, ancient, psychically and technologically (particularly teleportation) advanced race created by an even more advanced ancient race that is now fully-extinct, with a populace that follows a rigid and spartan (as in ascetic) warrior-caste system, and since we're low in number we stick the spirit of our dead warriors into machines to keep fighting for Ayer".

Movac wrote:

I apologize Lorek, but I can't help it when some neckbeard takes my comments personally and slams his meaty digits into the keyboard with such hostility.

This apology sounds sincere. I feel really sad for you that this is the only way you can choose to express yourself.

For the record, I didn't take your comments "personally" and I didn't "slam my meaty digits into my keyboard" with any hostility. I just think it's grade-A douchy to ostracize and belittle other gamers, even going so far as to make up terribly lame names for them because you don't like the game they play. Enjoying 40K doesn't put you any higher in the nerd hierarchy than someone who likes WoW or Magic the Gathering, or any other game. Get over yourself.

Anxious for your reply containing more anger over games!


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withershadow wrote:Protoss are probably more related to Eldar thematically, with the whole "we're a nearly-extinct, ancient, psychically and technologically (particularly teleportation) advanced race created by an even more advanced ancient race that is now fully-extinct, with a populace that follows a rigid and spartan (as in ascetic) warrior-caste system, and since we're low in number we stick the spirit of our dead warriors into machines to keep fighting for Ayer".

I'd go along with this. I really don't think the share a thing aesthetically though.

The Protoss even put their dead into battle-frames, like Wraithlords. Thanks Juraigamer.
Eldar are bigger on symbology, but they Protoss share the sleek vehicles, hovering psychers with lightning storms. There's Fleet of Foot, cloaked assassins.
But drone carriers, that's Tau.

Heck no

Brother SRM wrote:How are their IPs pathetic? Starcraft has expanded nicely.

Because they're attached to world of borecraft, which itself is rather pathetic?

purplefood wrote:Considering that Tolkien used myths and legends you could easily say that nothing is original.

And then myths came from people trying to think of how things worked, someone will just find a way to sue physics and nature.

115th Cadian Shock Troops wrote:

purplefood wrote:Considering that Tolkien used myths and legends you could easily say that nothing is original.

And then myths came from people trying to think of how things worked, someone will just find a way to sue physics and nature.

Clearly, the humble English Oak is ripping off the Entfolk.

I was under the impression that GW sued Blizzard for using IP in creating the Zerg(lings?), but when GW lost the lawsuit they st... borrowed the design of the Hydralisk.
As has been said, it's not like either company is clean.

P.S. Most successful companies have only taken ideas that already work and made them more presentable. Diablo, for instance, is the umpteenth Rogue-clone.

Skinnereal wrote:That'd be the same FFS that does GW's games, too?

Yep. DeathWatch and the other RPGs.

They put up a rather large booth at GenCon each year. I'm wanting to try out their HH board game this year.

Mahtamori wrote:I was under the impression that GW sued Blizzard for using IP in creating the Zerg(lings?), but when GW lost the lawsuit they st... borrowed the design of the Hydralisk.
As has been said, it's not like either company is clean.

P.S. Most successful companies have only taken ideas that already work and made them more presentable. Diablo, for instance, is the umpteenth Rogue-clone.

Where-as Rogue is so original for having Heroes in a Dungeon. Nothing like Dungeons and Dragons...

Which started when a War Game group wanted to run a single squad infiltration mission rather than fielding full armies...

FULL CIRCLE!

kronk wrote:

Skinnereal wrote:That'd be the same FFS that does GW's games, too?

Yep. DeathWatch and the other RPGs.

They put up a rather large booth at GenCon each year. I'm wanting to try out their HH board game this year.

Alternativly go to the Czech Republic, Prague specifically last time i was there a shop had a copy
But I didn't have enough for it

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:Alternativly go to the Czech Republic, Prague specifically last time i was there a shop had a copy
But I didn't have enough for it

I just meant playtest it to see if I like it. Then buy it. They set up a ton of tables at GenCon to playtest their stuff.

purplefood wrote:

withershadow wrote:People have some of their facts confused. By the time Starcraft came along, GW and Blizzard had no associations. It was WFB that Blizzard wanted to re-create, but for whatever reasons the deal fell through and they created Warcraft instead. GW couldn't really sue them because they were both just copying tropes from Tolkien.

By the same token, you can't really say Starcraft is ripping off 40K, when both are ripping off Starship Troopers.

I doubt that all of 40k has its beginnings in Starship troopers...
Maybe some of it. Certainly Cadians seem to be the generic trooper (movie not book) but i don't see where Eldar or Orks or Necrons etc are in Starship Troopers.
40k took ideas from a lot of places and is, in general, ever changing from each new codex and rulebook the universe changes ever so slightly.
Fantasy is similar but IMO better written, or at least complained about quieter.

This. 40K rips off Starship Troopers like Batman rips off Dracula. Both contain bat symbols, and that's pretty much it.
40K takes its influences from everywhere, even other GW games. The analogy presented, then, doesn't really hold up.

There is a major difference between stealing nearly every character design/units+weaponry/backstory from GWs tabletop game for starcraft/warcraft and taking generalized elements from various sources(elves, gothic architecture, modern military warfare elements). Warhammer 40k uses a lot of roman elements (legions, empire/emperor, gladius, latin names, etc) but they are not directly copying these things. That is the main difference I see between the two and why I feel like Blizzard is initially in the wrong here.

Andy Chambers, formerly of GW is project lead on StarCraft 2. Andy is going to write a book for Black Library as well or so the rumor goes. Blizzard, since its inception has had some sort of relationship on and off with GW. Also If your game has an Orc in it your ripping off Tolkien. They get around it somewhat by spelling it with a k for Ork....

Even though TOlkien himself preferred the Ork spelling because it prevented people from saying "ors" and being confused over what sound the C made.

Starcraft is a game I enjoy. The background is pretty cool, the gameplay is ace, and it is razor-edged balanced with amazing mod support. Great. Still a copy of 40K. More Warhammer in space is cool, so "warcraft in space" would be cool too! But the paralells are humerously blatant in WC1, when it was an aborted atempt at a WFB RTS that they had to quicky change the names of units, ect. Also, I have lost friends to WoW, and despise it as such.