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cowpow16 wrote:It can only be dropped to 1 sadly says so in nurlge drops to a minimum of 1 so sadly it cant do anything too mean :( other wise nurgle knights would be soooo beastly.

Where does it say that?
Here's what the FAQ says:
ERRATA
Page 110 – The Mark of Nurgle
Change the second paragraph to “A model with the Mark of
Nurgle is difficult to target. Ranged attacks that target him are
at -1 To Hit. Models that target him in close combat are at -1
WS.”

-Matt

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2350036_WarriorsofChaosFAQFeb2009.pdf

When rolling to hit against a model with the
Mark of Nurgle, the attacker suffers -1 to its
Ballistic Skill and Weapon Skill, to a
minimum of 1.

So yea... Sadly I think Im right :( other wise nurgle knights would rock.

Actually, you are wrong.

the FAQ completely rewrote the rule and deleted the "To a minimum of 1" part.

...? So they can only have weapon and bs 1then because isnt that how its written?

The WoC army book, page 110, Mark of Nurgle, 2nd paragraph says

"When rolling to hit against a model with the Mark of Nurgle, the attacker suffers -1 to his BS and WS, to a minimum of 1"


the WoC Eratta says

"Change the second paragraph to “A model with the Mark of Nurgle is difficult to target. Ranged attacks that target him are at -1 To Hit. Models that target him in close combat are at -1 WS.”


this completely drops the "To a minimum of 1" stipulation. the BRB says that models with WS0(or no WS at all) are automatically hit in CC and will themselves only hit on rolls of 6.

Oh ok I just thought that they actually changed the print of the book when they made that change so why does no one take nurgle knights then? wouldnt they be possibly the best unit?

Grey Templar: What page is that quote about WS 0 on? I have never been able to find it one way or the other. Thanks!

MoN is cool because it is Nurgle, and no other reason. MoT is superior in all cases, if only because of its point cost. Which sucks; I really hope they fix that in the next book :(

The ward save is nice for sure would be nice to have other effective marks tho.

I agree. Tizz works well, Khorne is pretty good, and Slaanesh is ok (if a bit redundant these days with Panic rerolls, BSB rerolls and weak Fear/Terror mechanics). Nurgle though... *sniff* poor Nurgle :(

So what all exactly does will of chaos let you re roll?

Yes poor nurgle :( very sad for sure still makes for fun painting thats a win atleast

Panic. So other friendlies breaking or being destroyed, and the various "X units must take a Panic test" type spells and abilities (I can only think of the one Slaaneshi spell now, but I think there are others.)

As to Nurgle, I would be pretty much down with someone giving them MoT for the ward and just saying it was because "Nurgle made them tougher" or whatever. Of course the lore is cool, and having the mark avoids some of the issues with LoN spell backfires, so there is that. Who knows, maybe the next book will make Nurgle and Slaanesh SUPER AWESOME!

But probably not :(

Wehrkind wrote:Grey Templar: What page is that quote about WS 0 on? I have never been able to find it one way or the other. Thanks!

MoN is cool because it is Nurgle, and no other reason. MoT is superior in all cases, if only because of its point cost. Which sucks; I really hope they fix that in the next book :(

page 4, "Characteristics of Zero"


things with WS0 will still be able to hit on natural 6s because those are always successful.

So just curious if I get to re roll panic what is the point of having a bsb?

cowpow16 wrote:So just curious if I get to re roll panic what is the point of having a bsb?

To re-roll fear and break tests, and get +1 combat res.
Yeah, warriors do lose combat from time to time, and are too expensive to risk without the re-roll.

-Matt

The size of the warriors unit really depends on the size of the game and the role you are giving them. So I would say that from 12-24 would be the optimum sizes.

12, 18 and 24 @ 6 wide is best for an offensive setup with halberds, MoK or MoT. 15 and 20 @ 5 wide with MoT and shields work best defensively. Banner the unit(s) to your liking you're done.

I've been using 18 warriros with MoK, halberds and razor standard or flaming banner. I think it works well, though I think I am going to try MoT, halberds with razor standard or flaming banner. Not too sure how I like having to auto-over run when I pulp a unit in one round of combat.

Ok sorry I just didnt know which one they could re roll with will of chaos and which the bsb let them re roll thanks

At 3k all my warrior unit are 18 (6 wide because why not get an extra few attacks.

I run 18 warriors halberds mot (tz themed army) with rage banner the bsb also runs with them since he himself is quite killy and has a good ward save plus having him frenzied too is always good makes him an even more angry guy

Grey Templar wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:Grey Templar: What page is that quote about WS 0 on? I have never been able to find it one way or the other. Thanks!

MoN is cool because it is Nurgle, and no other reason. MoT is superior in all cases, if only because of its point cost. Which sucks; I really hope they fix that in the next book :(

page 4, "Characteristics of Zero"


things with WS0 will still be able to hit on natural 6s because those are always successful.

The book says they are auto hit, but it doesn't say they may attack. Models with BS 0 are not even allowed to roll in the first place. It isn't clear that a WS of 0 even allows you to roll to hit.

Still an open argument I think, though I would play either way.

the rule book doesn't forbid models with WS0 from making attacks, unlike BS0 models, and Page 50, under "Roll to Hit", 3rd paragraph, says that a natural dice roll of a 6 always hits.

Well, it doesn't say they can attack either, and it does state that the model has no ability in that field, and gives the example of BS0 not being able to shoot. Not needing 6's or whatever to hit, but don't even get to roll the dice.

A grey area still, and for the life of me I don't see why they haven't FAQ'd it. Ahh well.

That would be a good thing to FAQ but over all i dont use nurgle in my current list so not a big worry for me but still like to know how this is supposed to be played.

Wehrkind wrote:Well, it doesn't say they can attack either, and it does state that the model has no ability in that field, and gives the example of BS0 not being able to shoot. Not needing 6's or whatever to hit, but don't even get to roll the dice.

A grey area still, and for the life of me I don't see why they haven't FAQ'd it. Ahh well.

I'd let them hit on a "6" with WS0. After all, going from hitting on 4's to hitting on 6's is already getting boned pretty bad.

-Matt

Ya true I think I would too unless the guy im playing is a complete @$$ in which case nope no hitting for you

HawaiiMatt wrote:

Wehrkind wrote:Well, it doesn't say they can attack either, and it does state that the model has no ability in that field, and gives the example of BS0 not being able to shoot. Not needing 6's or whatever to hit, but don't even get to roll the dice.

A grey area still, and for the life of me I don't see why they haven't FAQ'd it. Ahh well.

I'd let them hit on a "6" with WS0. After all, going from hitting on 4's to hitting on 6's is already getting boned pretty bad.

-Matt

I would too, though if my opponent argued the other way I would probably agree with that as well.