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juraigamer wrote:

Gavo wrote:

juraigamer wrote:As for chaos, the easiest method is a demon prince with wings with warptime. Kills liths like paper.

What? A Demon Prince can't do anything to the monolith, Living Metal prohibits the 2D6 Armor Penetration from being a Monstrous Creature.

juraigamer wrote:Also, so do meltabombs.

You do know how Living Metal works, right?

Honestly, as Chaos, S10 is the way to go, from either Vindicators or S10 DCCW from Defilers or Dreads (better, IMO), since the Monolith can only move 6" a turn, letting you hit on a 4+ at worst.

Brainfart about the demon prince, however melta bombs do in fact work, oddly.

Nnnooo they don't, unfortunately. (Or fortunately, depending on whether it's your monolith being attacked.)

Im on the ignore it and Phase Out team.

The Acolyte wrote:

Marthike wrote:Easiest way and a sure way to kill a monolith is get a GK librarian with warp rift. Flamer template which does auto pen on it lol.

and if that didn't work assault with termis which should have a good chance to bring it down.

Otherwise lascannon, rail gun, OR ignore it. You can pretty much kill all his warriors with something with a large blast template.

Out of curiosity how can you hurt the monolith with S4 termies with force weapons when monolith is AV14? Unless you have a D10 its pretty impossible.

I would suggest try to cause phase out as both chaos and tau are long range enough to ignore the monolith as it only has a 6" move and 24" range so you can effectively stay away from it all game untill you kill enough necrons to phase them out.

Anyone playing GK termies is going to have at least one or two Daemon Hammers since they are free, and hammerhand's +1 str is before multipying, so they're str 10.

A squad of XV88 Broadside Suits is probably 40k's best long-range-tank-busting squad. Go with those.

As for chaos, I would try to outmanuver it and go for phase out, but if I had to shoot it I would use Obliteraters.

Either field soemthign to pop it or cencentrate on the NEcrons. Dont forget, if he uses the lith to re-roll those WBB saves he cant fire the particle whip. Its a case of one or the other.

So kill lots of troops and force him to keep using that portal to get rid of his only high S weapon.

juraigamer wrote:
Brainfart about the demon prince, however melta bombs do in fact work, oddly.

Don't go there. Please. We've had so many debates about this already.


And as the others said..I'm tossing in my support with the 'make it phase out' camp, but if you REALLY want to kill it blasting it with anything S10 is your best option.

Using "God's Name" as the OP requested:

Gonads Em

Stop trying to get in a dick measuring contest with your necron buddy. You don't have to kill his monolyth. Let him harp on it all you want. Kill his troops. Force phase out.

Damn Egos

Fine. They want to brag about their stuff, then BLOW IT UP! Strength 10 is the answer. As much as you can get. Dreadnoughts, Vindicators, Rail Guns. Pop that sucker.

Gas Demon

Rush your Demon prince up. Lash the necrons away from the monolyths and other Necron units to deny WBB. Blast the bee-jeesus out of them.

The Acolyte wrote:

Marthike wrote:Easiest way and a sure way to kill a monolith is get a GK librarian with warp rift. Flamer template which does auto pen on it lol.

and if that didn't work assault with termis which should have a good chance to bring it down.

Otherwise lascannon, rail gun, OR ignore it. You can pretty much kill all his warriors with something with a large blast template.

Out of curiosity how can you hurt the monolith with S4 termies with force weapons when monolith is AV14? Unless you have a D10 its pretty impossible.

I would suggest try to cause phase out as both chaos and tau are long range enough to ignore the monolith as it only has a 6" move and 24" range so you can effectively stay away from it all game untill you kill enough necrons to phase them out.

hammer hand + deamon hammer = S10

make deamon hammer mastercrafted 5 point.

Take terminators so he can't really hurt you.

In the necron codex when it says only one D6 can be rolled for pen does that affect psychic powers that add a extra D6?

Pretty easy as a shooty BT. Our elites and HS do some pretty nasty AT.

Squad of Terms with 2x CML and tankhunter. 4 s9 shots
Venerable Dread with a ML/TLLC and tankhunter. 1s9 and 1 s10 twinlinked shot

Potms Vindicator

Marthike wrote:

The Acolyte wrote:

Marthike wrote:Easiest way and a sure way to kill a monolith is get a GK librarian with warp rift. Flamer template which does auto pen on it lol.

and if that didn't work assault with termis which should have a good chance to bring it down.

Otherwise lascannon, rail gun, OR ignore it. You can pretty much kill all his warriors with something with a large blast template.

Out of curiosity how can you hurt the monolith with S4 termies with force weapons when monolith is AV14? Unless you have a D10 its pretty impossible.

I would suggest try to cause phase out as both chaos and tau are long range enough to ignore the monolith as it only has a 6" move and 24" range so you can effectively stay away from it all game untill you kill enough necrons to phase them out.

hammer hand + deamon hammer = S10

make deamon hammer mastercrafted 5 point.

Take terminators so he can't really hurt you.

In the necron codex when it says only one D6 can be rolled for pen does that affect psychic powers that add a extra D6?

It affects everything. The rule says 'attacks may only roll one D6 for armour penetration rolls even if they would normally get more'. Nothing can ever have more than S+D6 armour pen against a monolith.

As for the Daemonhammers. If you have 2 in a squad (which seems to be what most players are running). Monolith will pretty much always be moving 6" and its a skimmer so you will hit on a 4+. So half your attacks hit. Furthermore even at S10 daemonhammers you need a 4 to glance and 5 or 6 to penetrate. So only 1/4 of your attacks from Daemonhammers will actually do anything and a 1/3 of them will be glancing hits anyway. So those 2 guys will hit with only cause 1 damaging hit and 1/3 of the time it will be a glancing hit. And even penetrating hit only have 1/3 chance of causing a wrecked/explodes result.

So using law of averages 1/2 x 1/2 x 2/3 x 1/3 = 1/18 Therefore only 1 in every 18 hits from a daemonhammer will destroy the monolith. As a GK termie has 2 attacks you need 9 terminators with daemonhammers to effectively kill a monolith (I doubt many players have that many guys with hammers) - On a final note, you also have to pass the psychic test for hammer hand which is 5/6. bringing the final chance of destroying the monolith to 5/108 so about 22 attacks or 11 terminators.

Movac wrote:Pretty easy as a shooty BT. Our elites and HS do some pretty nasty AT.

Squad of Terms with 2x CML and tankhunter. 4 s9 shots
Venerable Dread with a ML/TLLC and tankhunter. 1s9 and 1 s10 twinlinked shot

Potms Vindicator

IIRC Tank Hunters doesn't work on the 'Lith.

Tank hunter does not work on a lith; you get nothing but S (of the weapon!) + D6, not S+D6+1 (for tank hunter) or S+D6 + D6 (might of titans, etc)

get it into close combat with a daemon prince 2D6 + 6 (i think thats the strength of a prince) should penetrate the lith easy

Ridealgh wrote:get it into close combat with a daemon prince 2D6 + 6 (i think thats the strength of a prince) should penetrate the lith easy

You only get S+D6 for penetration on the Monolith due to its Living Metal rule. No exceptions.

Markerlight it, then railgun it with Broadsides. for Tau, For CSM, I would run a daemon prince up to it, and pound on it. Or light it up with las

Tau are practically one of the only factions that can reliably take down the Monoliths. Rail the things down and cripple the Necron player.

Chaos (and most other races) should go for his troops and try for phase out. The only time that should be exceptionally difficult is when there is a triple Monolith wall protecting the troops. Defilers should work well for both jobs (killing troops and busting Monoliths in CC).

The "ignore it" advice is pretty terrible, IMO.

Most Necron players are smart enough to circumvent this by good 'Lith positioning that prevents you from LOSing their troops, as well as holding the right amount of troops in reserve to prevent you from phasing them out - all the while, your army is whittled away by the C'tan, and up to 3 Liths. Sometimes, ignoring them isn't an option.

My suggestion would be to stay out of their 30" range, and slam them as much as you can with S10 weapons - anything outside of that isn't really going to cut it. You know the probability of a Lascannon wrecking or destroying a 'Lith? It's around 5%. Bring the big guns.

I found that charging it with a S10 warboss/Ghaz also wrecks it. Depending on your army you might be able to melee it (outside of MCs). I also second all the Vindicator suggestions - they work great.

Magnalon wrote:The "ignore it" advice is pretty terrible, IMO.

Most Necron players are smart enough to circumvent this by good 'Lith positioning that prevents you from LOSing their troops, as well as holding the right amount of troops in reserve to prevent you from phasing them out - all the while, your army is whittled away by the C'tan, and up to 3 Liths. Sometimes, ignoring them isn't an option.

This is so very, very true.

As a Chaos player I'd just bring a whole lot of Obliterators. 6-9 Lascannons per turn will do something to a Monolith. Even if you don't kill it right away, immobilizing it is a pretty good thing too. Berserkers with a Powerfist can do quite a job on an immobilized 'lith.

Razorback, twin-linked las cannons. Ba-da-bing, Ba-da-Boom! (roughly 1/3 of the time) 3 razor's seals-the-deal & you still have mobility for your chaos marines.

Gitsplitta wrote:Razorback, twin-linked las cannons. Ba-da-bing, Ba-da-Boom! (roughly 1/3 of the time) 3 razor's seals-the-deal & you still have mobility for your chaos marines.

Along cmes AlmightyWalrus and ruins the fun by telling you that Chaos razorbacks don't exist...

LOL! oops...

First rule of dakka.... "NEVER take tactical advice from Gits... he's a painter, not a fighter."

I did pop a monolith with a lucky shot from a razorback though... so I wasn't just making thing up. Guess I'd second the oblit recommendation then.

Well, switch Chaos for Loyalist and you're right back in business.

Magnalon wrote:The "ignore it" advice is pretty terrible, IMO.

Most Necron players are smart enough to circumvent this by good 'Lith positioning that prevents you from LOSing their troops, as well as holding the right amount of troops in reserve to prevent you from phasing them out - all the while, your army is whittled away by the C'tan, and up to 3 Liths. Sometimes, ignoring them isn't an option.

My suggestion would be to stay out of their 30" range, and slam them as much as you can with S10 weapons - anything outside of that isn't really going to cut it. You know the probability of a Lascannon wrecking or destroying a 'Lith? It's around 5%. Bring the big guns.

As a GUard player, I'd say I'm a bit biased. I'm used to having high strength low AP weaponry that doesn't care about LOS so ignoring the Monoliths (as long as they don't get too close) is usually a fair option.

However, it's true that alot of armies don't have the same barrage ability, or the same ability to spam cheap lascannons, so I'd say that the best way is S10 it somehow. As Tau Railguns. Lots and lots of Railguns. As CSM, either DCCW or Vindicator shells will do the job.

*insert jaws music here* Lithy's comin for ya mang

unless you have a bunch of Str10 shots(tau) ignore it and go for phase out.


Tau(and GKs in CC) are one of the few armies that can actually kill monoliths outright.


most other armies have to focus on Phase Out.




if using your Chaos Marines, attack in CC and phase him out.


if you are Tau, then you can shoot it, and then go for phase out.

Grey Templar wrote:unless you have a bunch of Str10 shots(tau) ignore it and go for phase out.


Tau(and GKs in CC) are one of the few armies that can actually kill monoliths outright.


most other armies have to focus on Phase Out.




if using your Chaos Marines, attack in CC and phase him out.


if you are Tau, then you can shoot it, and then go for phase out.

And Guards! Go Go Manticores!

i would say, don't just ignore them, but shoot smart. Use lascannons or railguns, weapons with unmodified str 9 or better only if there's no better targets

Try to kill of the necrons first, if you start by shooting at the liths, your just wasting fire that can finish off a necron unit. The liths and orbs can only bring them back if one is left standing. Concentrate fire on what's available, if nothings' good, THEN shoot at a monolith. As was said above, you don't actually have to destroy the thing, immobilizing it can drastically reduce it's effectiveness.

If you must, you can use melta bombs and powerfists on them, but you still need a 6 to glance. The extra assault move can help you get past the thing to something better on the other side, and if you DO glance, all the better. if i remember though, a berzerker can't pen it because i think you only get the unmodified strength from the PF, not the extra from FC

pyre wrote:i would say, don't just ignore them, but shoot smart. Use lascannons or railguns, weapons with unmodified str 9 or better only if there's no better targets

Try to kill of the necrons first, if you start by shooting at the liths, your just wasting fire that can finish off a necron unit. The liths and orbs can only bring them back if one is left standing. Concentrate fire on what's available, if nothings' good, THEN shoot at a monolith. As was said above, you don't actually have to destroy the thing, immobilizing it can drastically reduce it's effectiveness.

If you must, you can use melta bombs and powerfists on them, but you still need a 6 to glance. The extra assault move can help you get past the thing to something better on the other side, and if you DO glance, all the better. if i remember though, a berzerker can't pen it because i think you only get the unmodified strength from the PF, not the extra from FC

FC still works as it increases the strength, unlike things like tank hunter which adds to the pen roll.

FC works because it does not alter the strength of the weapon (the powerfist) just the strength of the user. The unmodified strength of a powerfist is 2S, with "S" based on the model.

If you dont have troops that can make backfield, behind a mono wall, then how are you winning single objective games? Pretty much all lists I've seen have *something* that can come on at the back / deepstrike / outflank, and they eat warriors very fast.

For Tau - Use Broadsides.

My Necron playing friend actually stopped using his Monolith because I killed it or immobilised it pretty much every game within a turn or two.

His armies after this were A LOT harder for me to take down due to numbers!!!

SO - in hindsight, don't kill it all the time as he'll stop using it and bring harder lists! :(