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I don't know that I'd call Fox the "holy grail" of anything. They just seem to be the communal punching bag.

Infreak wrote:They just seem to be the communal punching bag.

It's self-inflicted.

Wallace's entire arguement seems to be "Your Journalism is biased." Stewart just can't get through to him that The Daily show and South Park are not a news program.

juraigamer wrote:

when Fox goes after someone it's pure evil. Really.

Allow me to quote myself:

Fox news is heresy.

This is very interesting. If so-called right-wing news is "heresy", do you consider left wing sources Holy Writ?

When someone believes in a political ideology as a religion, it's no surprise that they're unwilling to listen to contrasting opinions.

biccat wrote:

juraigamer wrote:

when Fox goes after someone it's pure evil. Really.

Allow me to quote myself:

Fox news is heresy.

This is very interesting. If so-called right-wing news is "heresy", do you consider left wing sources Holy Writ?

When someone believes in a political ideology as a religion, it's no surprise that they're unwilling to listen to contrasting opinions.

I'm glad you see the problem with the religious Right as well. now if you could have a word with them for us.....

It's not that Fox News is right-wing news, it's the fact that Fox News has devolved into a ridiculous caricature of the right wing, intent to spread lies and sensationalism to further their agenda, and to act as an infectious plague towards members of the public which react at every available opportunity to talk-radio nonsense.

I love this interview, and I'm glad that John Stewart was able to save face and not devolve into personal attacks as so many members of the media have done to him.

biccat wrote:

juraigamer wrote:

when Fox goes after someone it's pure evil. Really.

Allow me to quote myself:

Fox news is heresy.

This is very interesting. If so-called right-wing news is "heresy", do you consider left wing sources Holy Writ?

When someone believes in a political ideology as a religion, it's no surprise that they're unwilling to listen to contrasting opinions.

I find you a funny man. Who said heresy has to be religiously related? You know what time it is on fox right now? Heresy. In an hour? Heresy. Heresy all the time everytime.

Heresy because they say one thing, and do another. Then believe they did what they said. They lie so much, it's sucking the brains of their viewers out, to the point that they don't question what's said.

I'm sad glenn beck is leaving, that means they thought for a second. I would rather they drove the channel on a golf cart into the abyss.

Don't get me wrong, I'm open minded. I just don't listen to the crazy, misinformed, ignorant or any combination of the three.

juraigamer wrote:

biccat wrote:

juraigamer wrote:

when Fox goes after someone it's pure evil. Really.

Allow me to quote myself:

Fox news is heresy.

This is very interesting. If so-called right-wing news is "heresy", do you consider left wing sources Holy Writ?

When someone believes in a political ideology as a religion, it's no surprise that they're unwilling to listen to contrasting opinions.

I find you a funny man. Who said heresy has to be religiously related? You know what time it is on fox right now? Heresy. In an hour? Heresy. Heresy all the time everytime.

Heresy because they say one thing, and do another. Then believe they did what they said. They lie so much, it's sucking the brains of their viewers out, to the point that they don't question what's said.

I'm sad glenn beck is leaving, that means they thought for a second. I would rather they drove the channel on a golf cart into the abyss.

Don't get me wrong, I'm open minded. I just don't listen to the crazy, misinformed, ignorant or any combination of the three.

Very true, except arguing with him is like beating a wooden stick against a carbonite Han-solo..it won't do any good.

I love Stewart, and I love that he would go on Fox News and take questions.

Fox News is idiotic, and anyone who takes them seriously is very misinformed.

All news is based off of sensationalism, suspense, and drama, its how they get viewers to keep watching. There's a reason they take so much time covering Palin: she's popular. It doesn't matter that she's a dumb bitch, she's popular, and will get the news station views.

purplefood wrote:Isn't John Stewart the Green Lantern?

See here http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2009/03/16/public-service-announcement/

FOX keeps making the mistake that everyone else out there thinks just like they do. They assume they can get Stewart on the show, point out he's partisan just like they are and therefore plays exactly the same role in the media they do, and then spend the rest of the interview doing the victory dance.

It's happened a lot of times now, and each and every time Stewart explains that his role in the media isn't just to shill his or anyone else's ideology, he's a comedian and here's there first and foremost to make people laugh. And they just don't get it. He says it again and again, and every time they treat it as this inscrutable thing, something so vast that their brains just sieze up trying to understand it. The idea that someone out there commenting on politics sees their role as something other than shilling their side's talking points is like some Eldritch horror to the people at FOX news. All they can do is stare blankly and repeat the charge 'nuh uh, you're liberal'.

I think they've spent so much time amongst themselves, talking about what conservatives are and what they think liberals, the idea of people with valuesets and roles outside of that narrow field is just beyond them. The idea that Stewart is making fun of them, not because they're conservative, but because they're dishonest and bad journalists, is inconceivable.

Frazzled wrote:I couldn't tell if he was lying or just drank the coolaid too deep.

Now the riddle is, which one am I talking about.

And here it is in the wild, ladies and gentlemen. It's an incredible sight.


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biccat wrote:If you think Stewart didn't drink the kool-ade heavily before that interview...I have a bridge you might be interested in.

And here it is again. Two in the one thread, truly we're blessed!

Stewart's defense when he gets called out on being an ideological ass is "Hey, I'm a comedian" as if it's an absolute defense.

It's not an absolute defence. It's a desccription of the role he takes in the media. He isn't there to be a journalist, to uncover truth and inform the viewer. That he's considered equal or better than the actual journalists tells you how bad the journalists are at their jobs. Most, because they're there for sensationalism and excitement, and FOX because they're partisan hacks.


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Frazzled wrote:When he said he didn't think the NY Times was biased, but just sensationalist I laughed and laughed. He's either blind or he's lying.

No, he's describing the most common problem with most media sources today. FOX runs a very tight ideological ship, stories are checked to make sure they fit the GOP narrative. This doesn't happen elsewhere, instead those other sources are junk because they focus on what gets the most web hits, what gets the most excitement today.

You, of course, will continue to not understand this. To accept it, you'd have to argue that not everything is divided into pro-blue and pro-red, that there are agendas out there beyond those largely artificial divisions. That's just too big an idea right now, for you and for the FOX talking heads.


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The Green Git wrote:So... when the NY Times goes after Palin it's written off as laziness and sensationalism, but when Fox goes after someone it's pure evil. Really.

Your mistake there comes from thinking Stewart thinks sensationalism is okay. It's a greater blight on the media than FOX's yellow journalism, because there's a lot more media agencies doing it.

The point is that the world doesn't work like FOX likes to pretend it does, in order to justify their crappy standards of media.

Stewart is the epitome of the holier than thou Left. He's smarter than us, and we can't understand him. It's OUR fault for failing to recognize his brilliance.

He's not that brilliant, and I don't think he thinks he's that brilliant. And it is entirely your fault for failing to understand what he's saying, because what he's saying is very simple.


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Infreak wrote:I don't know that I'd call Fox the "holy grail" of anything. They just seem to be the communal punching bag.

Being absurd will do that.

Have to say I don't really like his "comedy" (in terms of me not finding it funny, rather than because "I h8 dem liberals!") but he was very good in that interview and my appreciation for the man behind the annoying persona has increased.

I liked the O'Reilly interviews better. Neither one approached it as an actual serious interview. Actually interviewing Stewart seriously on anything other than comedy should not have been done.

On the positive Olberman (who I remember as a portscaster actually) is on a new left wing commentary network. What an innovative breath of fresh air.

alarmingrick wrote:I'm glad you see the problem with the religious Right as well. now if you could have a word with them for us.....

Let me get this straight: The problem with the religious right is that they're religious and refuse to personally adopt the contrasting arguments of other religions. Is that your point?

Do you even know what religion is? Bias against other religions is required. Otherwise, you have no grounds for maintaining your own religious beliefs. I would have thought that this was part of a fundamental understanding of humanity, but perhaps I am incorrect.

Also, I know a lot more "religious right" types who would support a Democrat than I do "progressive" types who would support a Republican.

juraigamer wrote:I find you a funny man. Who said heresy has to be religiously related?

I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure it was the dictionary. Here, let me help you out:

heresy
–noun, plural -sies.
1. opinion or doctrine at variance with the orthodox or accepted doctrine, especially of a church or religious system.
2. the maintaining of such an opinion or doctrine.
3. Roman Catholic Church . the willful and persistent rejection of any article of faith by a baptized member of the church.

So you're right, it might not be based in religion, but it's based in orthodoxy. As long as you're willing to walk lock-step with "progressive" or "liberal" political views, you will see Fox News as "heresy."

juraigamer wrote:You know what time it is on fox right now? Heresy. In an hour? Heresy. Heresy all the time everytime.

Heresy because they say one thing, and do another. Then believe they did what they said.

Words, despite common misperceptions, have meanings. I would suggest you read up on the proper use of them before you use them in a conversation. It helps you avoid looking foolish.

juraigamer wrote:Don't get me wrong, I'm open minded.

No, you're not. You can pretend you are, but you're not. Sorry if that ruins your day.

sebster wrote:FOX keeps making the mistake that everyone else out there thinks just like they do. They assume they can get Stewart on the show, point out he's partisan just like they are and therefore plays exactly the same role in the media they do, and then spend the rest of the interview doing the victory dance.

It's happened a lot of times now, and each and every time Stewart explains that his role in the media isn't just to shill his or anyone else's ideology, he's a comedian and here's there first and foremost to make people laugh. And they just don't get it. He says it again and again, and every time they treat it as this inscrutable thing, something so vast that their brains just sieze up trying to understand it. The idea that someone out there commenting on politics sees their role as something other than shilling their side's talking points is like some Eldritch horror to the people at FOX news. All they can do is stare blankly and repeat the charge 'nuh uh, you're liberal'.

I think they've spent so much time amongst themselves, talking about what conservatives are and what they think liberals, the idea of people with valuesets and roles outside of that narrow field is just beyond them. The idea that Stewart is making fun of them, not because they're conservative, but because they're dishonest and bad journalists, is inconceivable.

Well said.

I think they've spent so much time amongst themselves, talking about what conservatives are and what they think liberals, the idea of people with valuesets and roles outside of that narrow field is just beyond them. The idea that Stewart is making fun of them, not because they're conservative, but because they're dishonest and bad journalists, is inconceivable.

You're right, Fox is not at all like:
CNN
MSNBC
Whatever the hell Olberman's new network is

This (well, and all those rubbish sitcoms) is why America should not be able to make TV. Everyone should watch the BBC and be informed with a minimum of bias and political spin

SilverMK2 wrote:This (well, and all those rubbish sitcoms) is why America should not be able to make TV. Everyone should watch the BBC and be informed with a minimum of bias and political spin

horsegak. If you think the BBC doesn't have a bias, you need to give yourself an enema.

More importantly the BBC is about as entertaining as dried snot...

Frazzled wrote:
More importantly the BBC is about as entertaining as dried snot...

Because news should be entertaining...

Well at least it is good to see the same old names up to the same old arguments.

Seb, it's not that I don't understand what Stewart is trying to say... it's just that I don't buy it. He's like the guy that calls a chick fat and then says "It was just a joke, c'mon".

Oh, and Plonk.

I suppose when you main source of news is Fox reality would seem biased.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Frazzled wrote:
More importantly the BBC is about as entertaining as dried snot...

Because news should be entertaining...

No I meant the BBC in general.

Frazzled wrote:No I meant the BBC in general.

*Puts the UK at HAGGISCON 2*

Damn upstart colonials staying over there, insulting our institutions!

It's not that I don't understand what Stewart is trying to say... it's just that I don't buy it. He's like the guy that calls a chick fat and then says "It was just a joke, c'mon".

Stewart's most important point made in that interview is that he targets absurdity and corruption in his politically-driven comedy. That is his agenda; he is by no means partisan, and would take equal shots to both sides of the political equasion if they both deserved it equally. He doesn't target the foundations or fundamental structure of either party and honestly holds no bias against either one.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:No I meant the BBC in general.

*Puts the UK at HAGGISCON 2*

Damn upstart colonials staying over there, insulting our institutions!

Chrysaor686 wrote:

It's not that I don't understand what Stewart is trying to say... it's just that I don't buy it. He's like the guy that calls a chick fat and then says "It was just a joke, c'mon".

Stewart's most important point made in that interview is that he targets absurdity and corruption in his politically-driven comedy. That is his agenda; he is by no means partisan, and would take equal shots to both sides of the political equasion if they both deserved it equally. He doesn't target the foundations or fundamental structure of either party and honestly holds no bias against either one.

Yes, because his handling of Weinergate proves this.

"And there you have it. At 4:25 Eastern Standard Time, this story officially became sad." Because dang it, there's nothing funny about a congressman tweeting pictures of his junk to 40,000 people!

Stewart's most important point made in that interview is that he targets absurdity and corruption in his politically-driven comedy. That is his agenda; he is by no means partisan,

(your opinion)

and would take equal shots to both sides of the political equasion if they both deserved it equally

(your opinion, but you're tacitly agreeing he's not) .

He doesn't target the foundations or fundamental structure of either party and honestly holds no bias against either one.

(your opinion, the amount of time making fun of one party or beliefs vs. the other belies the statement.)

I don't have a beef with Stewart, but the thought that he doesn't have a bias is just wrong. Lewis Black and Ron White are biased too, but thats ok.

But BBC is better than most american crappy networks. I loved jon stewart in this.
And he is my comedic hero no wonder.

Asherian Command wrote:But BBC is better than most american crappy networks. I loved jon stewart in this.
And he is my comedic hero no wonder.

Only if you Gordon Ramsey 24/7... Seriously, you're British. You don't know about food. Its why you conquered half the globe, so you could finally get decent takeout.

Frazzled wrote:Its why you conquered half the globe, so you could finally get decent takeout.

It's why we have half the peoples of the world living in the UK now... so we can continue to get decent takeout!

We have a far better range of food than your vaunted texmex!

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Its why you conquered half the globe, so you could finally get decent takeout.

It's why we have half the peoples of the world living in the UK now... so we can continue to get decent takeout!

We have a far better range of food than your vaunted texmex!

That hurts. You hurt me as a person, and a human being.