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Frazzled wrote:That hurts. You hurt me as a person, and a human being.
It's ok - come to England and sample the wonders of the world!
We have food from all the corners of the globe to tickle your taste buds
but do you have queso, do you have tamales, and burros. Without the divine presence of texmex you have no soul.
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H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
Frazzled wrote:That hurts. You hurt me as a person, and a human being.
It's ok - come to England and sample the wonders of the world!
We have food from all the corners of the globe to tickle your taste buds
but do you have queso, do you have tamales, and burros. Without the divine presence of texmex you have no soul.
Burros? You don't eat the donkeys, man.
Burritos, yes. Donkeys, no.
Edit: When Jon first joined the daily show, we went after Republicans and Democrats with equal fervor. Now, not so much. He still gives it to both sides, but it's obvious which way he's biased.
Still, he's a funny man and thinks on his feet. Not someone you want to poke with a stick during an interview on live TV.
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Frazzled wrote:That hurts. You hurt me as a person, and a human being.
It's ok - come to England and sample the wonders of the world!
We have food from all the corners of the globe to tickle your taste buds
but do you have queso, do you have tamales, and burros. Without the divine presence of texmex you have no soul.
They do not. It take hurricanes and jalapenos to make proper queso.
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youbedead wrote:
SilverMK2 wrote:
Frazzled wrote:That hurts. You hurt me as a person, and a human being.
It's ok - come to England and sample the wonders of the world!
We have food from all the corners of the globe to tickle your taste buds
but do you have queso, do you have tamales, and burros. Without the divine presence of texmex you have no soul.
The Empire has all your foods
I've heard about the British version of Mexican food. Something about making a billygoat puke..
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kronk wrote:*takes the obvious bait from Ahtman*
Nope.
Just don't give me any BS about Jon being an equal opportunist.
Exactly. So he can keep on trucking...although Colbert is better.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Just don't give me any BS about Jon being an equal opportunist.
I don't see what Ballistic Score has to do with this.
It depends on how you are defining equal opportunist. If you mean he devotes an equal amount of time to lambasting politicians on both sides then obliviously he is not. If you mean what it actually means, a willingness to go after either side if the situation arises that warrants it then you would be wrong in saying that they are not equal opportunists. The Daily Show has gone after Republicans and Democrats. It isn't their fault if the Republicans (and by extension their mouthpieces in the media) make for better fodder, as traditionalists do tend to have more of a stick up their ass, and therefore are better targets for mocking. If you think they don't also take Dem's or more liberal newscasters to task when they do something worth making fun of you haven't watched the show that much.
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Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
biccat wrote:"And there you have it. At 4:25 Eastern Standard Time, this story officially became sad." Because dang it, there's nothing funny about a congressman tweeting pictures of his junk to 40,000 people!
Had you been watching the other episodes that week? Because he was very up front about the fact that Anthony Weiner was a friend of his, and he was struggling with balancing out the fact that this was comedy gold, versus the fact that this was a guy he knew personally that it was all happening to. So this whole week, he's been saying over and over that he hopes this isn't true because he doesn't want to believe that his friend was dumb enough to do this kinda gak. . . and then it is. And suddenly the story officially became sad.
The episode after the "this story officially became sad" was his public apology to his audience for not milking this story to the full for all the comedic seeds it could provide like he should have done. Also, he cut himself on a margarita glass.
Anyway, anyone thinking Jon Stewart is nothing but liberal bias should try watching any of the interviews he has done with Mike Huckabee. Huckabee is a staunch conservative who has appeared on the Daily Show many, many times, mostly because even though Jon Stewart might not agree with him, and might skewer his sillier acts (playing bass for Ted Nugent, anyone?), if you know your gak and can back up your position, you'll have his respect.
Just don't give me any BS about Jon being an equal opportunist.
I don't see what Ballistic Score has to do with this.
It depends on how you are defining equal opportunist. If you mean he devotes an equal amount of time to lambasting politicians on both sides then obliviously he is not. If you mean what it actually means, a willingness to go after either side if the situation then you would be wrong. The Daily Show has gone after Republicans and Democrats. It isn't their fault if the Republicans (and by extension their mouthpieces in the media) make for better fodder, as traditionalists do tend to have more of a stick up their ass, and therefore are better targets for mocking. If you think they don't also take Dem's or more liberal newscasters to task when they do something worth making fun of you haven't watched the show that much.
And there's the follow-up to the leading question Ahtman asked 4 posts up.
B.S.
I watch the show 2-3 times per week. As I said, he goes after both sides. You agree with me there.
As I also said, he goes after the right more than the left. You agree with me there.
The why is where we differ. You say it it because the right are bad, bad men and deserve it. I say the left have more bad, bad men and should get an equal share. Jon and his staff have a left-bias.
biccat wrote:"And there you have it. At 4:25 Eastern Standard Time, this story officially became sad." Because dang it, there's nothing funny about a congressman tweeting pictures of his junk to 40,000 people!
Had you been watching the other episodes that week? Because he was very up front about the fact that Anthony Weiner was a friend of his, and he was struggling with balancing out the fact that this was comedy gold, versus the fact that this was a guy he knew personally that it was all happening to. So this whole week, he's been saying over and over that he hopes this isn't true because he doesn't want to believe that his friend was dumb enough to do this kinda gak. . . and then it is. And suddenly the story officially became sad.
Yes, well, I followed the story of the Daily Show's failure to address the issue. I haven't watched the Daily Show since Kilborn left the Daily Show and it started to suck.
And that's why I raised the issue. Stewart was biased, not politically, but personally, against reporting/commenting on the story. He pretends he's not, but he is, as evidenced by Weinergate.
themocaw wrote:The episode after the "this story officially became sad" was his public apology to his audience for not milking this story to the full for all the comedic seeds it could provide like he should have done. Also, he cut himself on a margarita glass.
So he acknowledged that he was biased and then went on FNC to deny his bias. Brilliant.
This simply reinforces the fact that anyone who believes a word out of Stewart's mouth is engaging in selective truths. He (and his fans) admits that he doesn't always tell the truth and he won't tell you when he's lying (or, to be polite, making things up). Therefore, any assertion about his "True Beliefs" should be taken with at least a grain of salt. Instead, you can analyze his actions (including story selections and jokes) to determine that he skewers conservatives far more than liberals.
kronk wrote:And there's the follow-up to the leading question Ahtman asked 4 posts up.
To be a leading question it would have to actually been a question that required an answer, which it did not. Perhaps you need to refresh yourself on both rhetorical questions as well as what it means to "lead".
kronk wrote:You say it it because the right are bad, bad men and deserve it.
Wow, now that is almost a perfect example of a strawman. Bravo sir, well done. I never said anything of the kind. At best I pointed out that staunch authority figures, and the Republicans fall into that much more than the Dems, are easier targets to make fun of. This is nothing new or surprising. It is why Charlie Chaplin's The Tramp mocks custom officials and gets one over on the cops. Groups with a stick up their ass are far more effective targets than people with a sense of humor.
kronk wrote:I say the left have more bad, bad men and should get an equal share. Jon and his staff have a left-bias.
That is because you are looking at this through your myopic political lens and not as a comedy show out to get laughs, which is preciesly what it is. He has neither an obligation or a duty to mock certain people just because you don't like their politics.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Albatross wrote:'Queso' is just Spanish for 'Cheese'. It bugs me every time Frazzled acts like it's a special new food that you can only get in Tejas....
We have Queso de Cheddar here, for example.
Ay Dioss Mio! God will forgive you your blasphemy due to your utter ignorance. Don't blame yourself. Its not your fault. You weren't born in current or former portions of Mexico.
Queso isn't just cheese! Its the base.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Albatross wrote:We have Queso de Cheddar here, for example.
My god, the Brits have inveted cheese de cheese, or cheese².
Its like the Cursed Second Founding. Their first attempts to weaponize Haggis created certain things that could be considered...unnatural...
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Albatross wrote:We have Queso de Cheddar here, for example.
My god, the Brits have inveted cheese de cheese, or cheese².
at least its not queso de chedder cheese. The cheese^3
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
biccat wrote:
Yes, well, I followed the story of the Daily Show's failure to address the issue.
Why is a satirical comedy show under any onus to report a story?
biccat wrote:
This simply reinforces the fact that anyone who believes a word out of Stewart's mouth is engaging in selective truths.
Says the poster who defends Fox news, an entire channel that purports to be 'fair and balanced' journalism, whilst crying foul over a comedy show not being bipartisan.
biccat wrote:
Yes, well, I followed the story of the Daily Show's failure to address the issue.
Since when was the daily show a show that was supposed to be taken seriously? Also, WHEN did it become a news show? Last I checked, it wasn't, the only thing that was odd was the other channels that state they are news are farther from being news than the daily show... wait... I see the problem.
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Lt. Coldfire wrote:Seems to me that you should be refereeing and handing out red cards--like a boss.
Frazzled wrote:You're right, Fox is not at all like: CNN MSNBC Whatever the hell Olberman's new network is
And you continue to not get it. CNN is bad because it's lazy, and dishonest, and chases cheap spectacle over actual reporting. MSNBC used to be bad in the way that CNN is bad, but recently made the decision to follow FOX's lead, and directly market to a political block. They're not quite there yet, because introducing a culture of completely dishonest, yellow journalism takes a while, but they're making their ground quickly. This new network of Olberman's will likely also be yellow journalism.
But none of that excuses what FOX is doing. Nor does it mean there isn't a fundamental difference between the nature of FOX's reporting and the reporting done by the media at large. Understanding this difference is a key to understanding media as it exists today.
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Frazzled wrote:horsegak. If you think the BBC doesn't have a bias, you need to give yourself an enema.
There's this idea that's really common among the US right wing. It's kind of a weird interpretation of subjectivity that made a whole portion of the left wing of academia incredibly stupid for a decade or two a while back.
The way this has been interpreted in the right wing of the US is that everyone is biased, so every source is equally reliable, so you might as well pick whoever's bias you like best and just listen to their gibberish. With the world viewed through this filter, actual reality just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if someone, like Jon Stewart, points out that something claimed by news source is complete bs, because Stewart is just another source.
It's an incredibly ridiculous way of the looking at the world, and a foundational element of how the US right wing has managed to become so ridiculous so quickly.
More importantly the BBC is about as entertaining as dried snot...
And it's because they're chasing viewers like Fraz that most journalism is so very terrible. "What's that, in depth reporting on corporate malpractice? Nah the viewer will find that dull, let's run with more breaking news on some random celebrity going into rehab!"
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The Green Git wrote:Well at least it is good to see the same old names up to the same old arguments.
Seb, it's not that I don't understand what Stewart is trying to say... it's just that I don't buy it. He's like the guy that calls a chick fat and then says "It was just a joke, c'mon".
Oh, and Plonk.
No, it really isn't like that. That's an example of someone trying to use humour to minimise offence. Stewart is not doing that. He's saying that his role is to host a comedy show on a comedy station, where he makes fun of the media. That's his place - pointing out the absurdity of the media.
You want an analogy? Stewart is the jester in the court. Except the jester is better respected than the king. The king's response is to tell the jester he should also think of himself as a king. The jester responds that he's just a fool, and nothing but a fool, and the king really needs to stop acting worse than he does, for the sake of the kingdom.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
sebster wrote:
No, it really isn't like that. That's an example of someone trying to use humour to minimise offence. Stewart is not doing that. He's saying that his role is to host a comedy show on a comedy station, where he makes fun of the media. That's his place - pointing out the absurdity of the media.
You want an analogy? Stewart is the jester in the court. Except the jester is better respected than the king. The king's response is to tell the jester he should also think of himself as a king. The jester responds that he's just a fool, and nothing but a fool, and the king really needs to stop acting worse than he does, for the sake of the kingdom.
"Wit, an't be thy will, put me in good fooling! Those wits that think they have thee, do very oft prove fools, and I that am sure lack thee may pass for a wise man"Ö"Better a witty fool than a foolish wit"
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
biccat wrote:
Comedy isn't a defense to a charge of bias.
This is where I talk about bias being a polite euphemism for "I don't like you." when used in the context of public discourse, rather than anything that actually has anything to do with bias.
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biccat wrote:
Also, I liked the part where he made a racist joke against Herman Cain. That's some funny stuff right there.
Its racist to roughly interpret a voice used by the candidate in question?
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