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um..... psycannons? terminaters with halbreds + HHx2 MOT and QS?

there ya go. done.

schadenfreude wrote:Killed him with nothing more than vanilla csm before. Multi charged the avatar and storm guardians, slaughtered the guardians in cc, avatar didn't do enough wounds to offset the massive loss in combat res, and both the surviving guardians and avatar went pop from fearless. The same trick works great against wraithlords.

Pg44 of the BRB wrote:If none of the enemies involved in the combat against a fearless unit can actually hurt it, the unit does not suffer any wounds if its side is defeated in combat, and simply continues to fight.

Just thought I would clear that up before this thread continued...

Amanax wrote:

schadenfreude wrote:Killed him with nothing more than vanilla csm before. Multi charged the avatar and storm guardians, slaughtered the guardians in cc, avatar didn't do enough wounds to offset the massive loss in combat res, and both the surviving guardians and avatar went pop from fearless. The same trick works great against wraithlords.

Pg44 of the BRB wrote:If none of the enemies involved in the combat against a fearless unit can actually hurt it, the unit does not suffer any wounds if its side is defeated in combat, and simply continues to fight.

Just thought I would clear that up before this thread continued...

You're misunderstanding the rule.

The str4 csm were capable of hurting the t6 Avatar, they just chose to hit a different target instead, which then forced him to take fearless saves.

On the other hand, if they were fighting a group of necron warriors and a nightbringer, the nightbringer wouldn't have to take any fearless saves because the str4 marines can't hurt the t8 c'tan

U kidding me?

Step one - get into combat with said avatar.

Step two - activate force halbreadsticks

Step three - watch as he fails an inv save and dies

Step four - if the force weapon activation doesnt kill himz, daemonbane has a good chance to kill himz.

Amanax wrote:

schadenfreude wrote:Killed him with nothing more than vanilla csm before. Multi charged the avatar and storm guardians, slaughtered the guardians in cc, avatar didn't do enough wounds to offset the massive loss in combat res, and both the surviving guardians and avatar went pop from fearless. The same trick works great against wraithlords.

Pg44 of the BRB wrote:If none of the enemies involved in the combat against a fearless unit can actually hurt it, the unit does not suffer any wounds if its side is defeated in combat, and simply continues to fight.

Just thought I would clear that up before this thread continued...

Doesn't apply unless you have no attacks over S2 or you're fighting something tougher than an Avatar. Standard CSM close combat attacks wound the Avatar on a 6+, so there were enemies in the combat that can hurt the Avatar, so it does take wounds due to No Retreat.

Raxmei wrote:

Amanax wrote:

schadenfreude wrote:Killed him with nothing more than vanilla csm before. Multi charged the avatar and storm guardians, slaughtered the guardians in cc, avatar didn't do enough wounds to offset the massive loss in combat res, and both the surviving guardians and avatar went pop from fearless. The same trick works great against wraithlords.

Pg44 of the BRB wrote:If none of the enemies involved in the combat against a fearless unit can actually hurt it, the unit does not suffer any wounds if its side is defeated in combat, and simply continues to fight.

Just thought I would clear that up before this thread continued...

Doesn't apply unless you have no attacks over S2 or you're fighting something tougher than an Avatar. Standard CSM close combat attacks wound the Avatar on a 6+, so there were enemies in the combat that can hurt the Avatar, so it does take wounds due to No Retreat.

I think the comment was in reference to the Wraithlord who is T8 and can't be hurt by the Marines.

I'm wondering how this applies to units with mixed weapons. In other words: say the Marine unit had a Sgt equipped with a Power Fist. The "unit" can technically hurt the Wraithlord as the Sgt's attacks are resolved as S8. So it WOULD take Fearless saves if the Sgt was equipped with a Power Fist, and it would not take saves if nobody in the unit had such wargear?

You are correct

NuggzTheNinja wrote:

Raxmei wrote:

Amanax wrote:

schadenfreude wrote:Killed him with nothing more than vanilla csm before. Multi charged the avatar and storm guardians, slaughtered the guardians in cc, avatar didn't do enough wounds to offset the massive loss in combat res, and both the surviving guardians and avatar went pop from fearless. The same trick works great against wraithlords.

Pg44 of the BRB wrote:If none of the enemies involved in the combat against a fearless unit can actually hurt it, the unit does not suffer any wounds if its side is defeated in combat, and simply continues to fight.

Just thought I would clear that up before this thread continued...

Doesn't apply unless you have no attacks over S2 or you're fighting something tougher than an Avatar. Standard CSM close combat attacks wound the Avatar on a 6+, so there were enemies in the combat that can hurt the Avatar, so it does take wounds due to No Retreat.

I think the comment was in reference to the Wraithlord who is T8 and can't be hurt by the Marines.

I'm wondering how this applies to units with mixed weapons. In other words: say the Marine unit had a Sgt equipped with a Power Fist. The "unit" can technically hurt the Wraithlord as the Sgt's attacks are resolved as S8. So it WOULD take Fearless saves if the Sgt was equipped with a Power Fist, and it would not take saves if nobody in the unit had such wargear?

Bingo. Sorry I wasn't more clear, was in a bit of a hurry. I was referring to the Wraithlord comment, which unless it has a powerfist or stormhammer (or some other ability like hammerhand) the Lord would not be able to fall to No Retreat.

The Avatar however, is very vulnerable to no retreat if you multicharge, as mentioned. Though, it is far from his largest weakness lol >_<

I took him out in close combat. With a 30 man Guard blob with a Commissar and no Power Weapons. Took a few rounds, but the Greater Daemon of Elfdar folded surely enough.