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mattyrm wrote:Butcher the blue people, slaughter them like dogs.

That movie was a pinko conspiracy, designed to make the white man hate himself more, and wish he was a warlike equally vicious native American or a warlike equally vicious African instead.

Well, not really.

But I really didn't care about those blue guys, and the film sucked balls as a whole. It was like Pocahontas with robots, and my nephew thought it was corny as hell and he is only 9.


Indeed. I think I actually fell asleep in part of it.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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If people view the humans as the good guys in Avatar, I would hate to see what they regard as bad guys.

By the end of the humans are practically chewing the scenery in their depiction of badness.

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circumstances and reality are the bad guys. They are chewing because James Cameron his point of "big corperations and coal are evil!" across.

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TrollPie wrote:Terrible movie, but if you think that humans killing billions for their own mistake is all fine and dandy, you should get yourself checked up. The kittens in my garden agree.

And, as bushido quoted, simply draining one place and moving on to the next it unsustainable and will always lead to the same situation: running out of places to go to, and either learning to pick the purple berries or dying out.


We kill gazillions of bacteria and microbes every day and hale and celebrate those mass murderers. WE call thaem doctors and vaccine pioneers. I guess we should all just pop off and shoot ourselves. You first.

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im not positive that killing a human and a mictrobe are quite the same thing...

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dajobe wrote:im not positive that killing a human and a mictrobe are quite the same thing...


Life is life. Its short, brutal, and short, and thats the good parts.

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you can view it like that.
i like this saying i heard at school:
Life sucks...then you die.

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htj wrote:@Carmine

Oh, OK, sorry for the misunderstanding. Indeed, you're quite right then.

Ah, if only more people that I met understood this fundamental fact of life.


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Carmine the Wolf wrote:It always interests me that when we observe one species in nature that has the ability to out-compete its rivals and even cause their extinction, we chalk it up to the survival of the fittest and muse that while the species that died out might have been cuter and more cuddly, that's just nature's way.

When human beings out-compete other species, we deride ourselves as short-sighted, greedy and immoral.

I don't agree with humans mucking the planet up, destroying the rainforests and all that...I just find the semnatics of the issue interesting.


Looks like the cuddly blue people did the out-competing in that movie. Guess they were more fit and the silly humans can just quietly go extinct now. It's nature's way, after-all.

The problem with your train of thought is exactly what Agent Smith said about humans in The Matrix:
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.


While we're busy out-competing, we're also busy destroying our own habitat. Other animals might do something similar, but none are as efficient at it as humans. They wouldn't understand why it was happening and they wouldn't be able to take steps to prevent it...they would simply die. We, on the other hand, have no one to blame but ourselves (barring some massive unavoidable natural catastrophe, of course).

And of course the real problem is that if you classify humans as a "virus" then you have to accept that their inevitable destruction of the environment is as natural as a bird flocking to migrate to a warmer climate in the winter and stop castigating them for simply acting according to their nature.

The Agent Smith quote is simply a trite piece of throwaway psuedo-intellectual soundbite scripting on the part of the Watchowski Brothers that falls apart under closer analysis of mammal species that have spread from their native habitat and caused ecological chaos in a new one.

And the really interesting thing about the plot of Avatar is the obvious fact that without the intervention of a "silly human" the blue folks would have been wiped out in short order.

So the film in effect manages to have its cake and eat it in suggesting that humans are destructive, but the blue people are too stupid to save themselves and need humans to tell them how to do it!

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oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....

i say keep the blue people. put them in zoos,make millions.oh,better yet,grab all those alien animals to! then farm there planet and terra form it so humans can breath there.

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i like the way you think comissar


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capitalism at its finest!

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lord commissar klimino wrote:i say keep the blue people. put them in zoos,make millions.oh,better yet,grab all those alien animals to! then farm there planet and terra form it so humans can breath there.

Now thats capital thinking right there.

-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....

awww,thanks i try my best! so...who want poo duty at my new zoo? free dental!

Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
 
   
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throw in a nice 401k rate and im in!

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dajobe wrote:I was watching Avatar with my mom and sister yesterday, and at the end when the humans lose(duh) my mom was like "take that humans, trying to cut down their tree and kill those nice blue people.

I then responded with, "you realise that if this was real, then the saviour of these 20,000 some odd blue people just led to the death of millions or even billions of humans?"
My mom said "why?"
me:"because now the humans are without the their only main source of energy, and it will now become even more expensive and as stores get depleted, and wars will start over remaining reserves and will lead to millions if not billions of deaths. So you just traded 20,000 lives for millions if not billions. just thought you should know"
she got mad

but the ending that i like to imagine is that the humans come back to pandora...and nuke the entire surface and take what they want, because although i liked the visuals of the movie, i had a hard time getting into "OH THE POOR BLUE PEOPLE" vibe

anyone else feel this way, or am i just unkind to the blue people?


I don't recall unobtanium was used as an energy source (but I barely paid attention to the film anyway), I thought it was used as a building material (as an engineer, we have a different use of the term unobtainium (and we came up with it first, damnit), used to describe any material (which most likely doesn't exist) that has the ideal properties for whatever application it is that you would like to utilize it in). In any case, operations on Pandora had only been going for a bit over a decade or two, so I sincerely doubt that Earth is that reliant on the stuff in any case. As for humans coming back to pandora, well Avatar was the first movie in a trilogy, and its been pretty much stated that Colonel Quaritch will probably make a comeback (in the form of a clone, remember this is supposed to be set in the same timeline as Alien(s?) IIRC).


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oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....

dajobe wrote:throw in a nice 401k rate and im in!


ok! heres your shovel,and your stun rifle in case they try to kill you. those blue guys took out my l-err,yeah,get to work!

Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
 
   
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the james cameron wiki says that it is used to save earth from its energy crisis, but you could be right because wikipedia is full of a bunch of gak. I think that colonel guy should kill jake sully, cuz sully is a traitor, and lame for making strange cat noises

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oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....

dajobe wrote:the james cameron wiki says that it is used to save earth from its energy crisis, but you could be right because wikipedia is full of a bunch of gak. I think that colonel guy should kill jake sully, cuz sully is a traitor, and lame for making strange cat noises


or dissect jakes now alien brain to find out how to transfer all humans to super bodies

Deathshead420 wrote:As your leader, I encourage you, from time to time and always in a respectful manner, to question my logic. If you're unconvinced a particular plan of action I've decided is the wisest, tell me so! But allow me to convince you. And I promise you, right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo … except, of course, the subject that was just under discussion. The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is – I collect your f g head. [Holds up Tanaka's head] Just like this f r here. Now, if any of you sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the f g time! [Pause] I didn't think so.
 
   
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Frazzled wrote:
TrollPie wrote:Terrible movie, but if you think that humans killing billions for their own mistake is all fine and dandy, you should get yourself checked up. The kittens in my garden agree.

And, as bushido quoted, simply draining one place and moving on to the next it unsustainable and will always lead to the same situation: running out of places to go to, and either learning to pick the purple berries or dying out.


We kill gazillions of bacteria and microbes every day and hale and celebrate those mass murderers. WE call thaem doctors and vaccine pioneers. I guess we should all just pop off and shoot ourselves. You first.

Except microbes are just guided by instincts, they don't feel pain or fear death. There's a Chuck Norris joke in their somewhere, but I can't be bothered at the moment.
And draining places of resources then moving on to the next won't sustain anyone for long, so there's that.
If life's gonna be harsh, don't make it harsher.

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Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but the film NEVER said what Unobtainium was used for. Just that it was worth a large amount of money.

   
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i just looked at the wiki page, and as i said i cant guarentee its actual use, but it looks like coal(black, shiny, bumpy) and i believe that it is supposed to be inferred, but there is no actual proof that it is energy. But cameron has been on tv and has spoken publicly against coal and oil and mining in general. I personally believe that he is inferring that unobtainium is coal or some other energy that he views as evil, and is trying to brainwash the peoples of the world


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not actually brainwash, that is an exageration...

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Assuming the audience has knowledge outside of a work of fiction so they can answer questions within the fiction is just bad writing.

My biggest complaint against Avatar is that Unobtanium was some mystery rock that was apparently worth a lot of money, but otherwise had no stated use (which is odd because if it has no use how is it worth anything?). Humans came out as greedy douche bags tearing a planet apart for pure profit (which is probably historically accurate colonization wise to a degree but makes for cliche and predictable story line). The film would have been greatly improved by a reason in the film for wanting the mystery rock. It would, dare I say *removes sunglasses* humanize the antagonists?

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lol, watch out, hollywood might send jason bourne to get ya for that comment

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dajobe wrote:lol, watch out, hollywood might send jason bourne to get ya for that comment


He has to remember where I live first

   
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dont worry, hes jason bourne, he will just get some swiss chick to drive him to your place, and you will snipe her and think you got him, but he'll get you in the end, you should enlist the help of the astartes, they could probably help you

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dajobe wrote:dont worry, hes jason bourne, he will just get some swiss chick to drive him to your place, and you will snipe her and think you got him, but he'll get you in the end, you should enlist the help of the astartes, they could probably help you


See this is the fatal mistake most antagonists make. NEVER touch the girl. Don't kidnap her, beat her, kill her, or hold her ransom. It just makes him more angry

   
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LordofHats wrote:Assuming the audience has knowledge outside of a work of fiction so they can answer questions within the fiction is just bad writing.

My biggest complaint against Avatar is that Unobtanium was some mystery rock that was apparently worth a lot of money, but otherwise had no stated use (which is odd because if it has no use how is it worth anything?[i][u]). Humans came out as greedy douche bags tearing a planet apart for pure profit (which is probably historically accurate colonization wise to a degree but makes for cliche and predictable story line). The film would have been greatly improved by a reason in the film for wanting the mystery rock. It would, dare I say *removes sunglasses* humanize the antagonists?


Gold
Silver
Platinum
Diamond
Sapphire
Emerald
Ruby
etc.
etc.
etc.

Okay, so a lot of those things actually have valid scientific uses nowadays, but when they first became valuable, they were entirely useless outside of a form of jewelry(which equates to uselessness in my mind) and their valuable continues to be based on just how useless the are, rather than their application in semiconductors or what have you. Anyway, maybe Unobtanium is a form of jewelry? Or maybe its the traditional engineering definition: a material with all the right properties for whatever application is at hand (whatever that happens to be)...


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Avatar's plot: the marine is the bad guy and he will die in the end. All the other stuff is just made for being good looking in 3D. Finding director's hidden agenda is kinda far-fetched. If he wanted to make a statement, he could have just said it out loud.

I found Avatar very very typical Hollywood movie with supposed-to-be-fascinating 3D effects. It's main point is not to tell a interesting story, but to show off with the graphics. It's funny that people actually get the DVD or Bluray to watch in in TV with no 3D whatsoever!
   
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oh,you know. in a basement...cooking ponies into cupcakes....

LordofHats wrote:
dajobe wrote:dont worry, hes jason bourne, he will just get some swiss chick to drive him to your place, and you will snipe her and think you got him, but he'll get you in the end, you should enlist the help of the astartes, they could probably help you


See this is the fatal mistake most antagonists make. NEVER touch the girl. Don't kidnap her, beat her, kill her, or hold her ransom. It just makes him more angry


yeah but lots of times going after the women gets him severely hurt or worse...why is it women always cause trouble in movies? if he hadent met that blue girl in avatar,he wouldnt of turned.

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My main complaint is that the entire film was a showcase of special effects that weren't even revolutionary. From the paper-thin Pocahontas plot, the bad and OTT acting (looking at you, Stereotypical Sarge), the half arsed, cliched script to the ridiculous "Don't just respect nature, LOVE IT!" message, it is probably the most overrated movie of all time.
Still, at least it's not fething Shyamalamalanalalamalan.

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chaos0xomega wrote:Okay, so a lot of those things actually have valid scientific uses nowadays, but when they first became valuable, they were entirely useless outside of a form of jewelry(which equates to uselessness in my mind) and their valuable continues to be based on just how useless the are, rather than their application in semiconductors or what have you. Anyway, maybe Unobtanium is a form of jewelry? Or maybe its the traditional engineering definition: a material with all the right properties for whatever application is at hand (whatever that happens to be)...


That's the problem though! Those 'useless' things you listed are useful. They are expensive for a reason. We value them because we like the way they look.

Why do we value Unobtainium? The film never says. It just says it's worth something. It's a plot hole, and leaves us with only one conclusion: Human beings are douche bags who want money. It makes for a very boring antagonist.

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