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I was watching Avatar with my mom and sister yesterday, and at the end when the humans lose(duh) my mom was like "take that humans, trying to cut down their tree and kill those nice blue people.

I then responded with, "you realise that if this was real, then the saviour of these 20,000 some odd blue people just led to the death of millions or even billions of humans?"
My mom said "why?"
me:"because now the humans are without the their only main source of energy, and it will now become even more expensive and as stores get depleted, and wars will start over remaining reserves and will lead to millions if not billions of deaths. So you just traded 20,000 lives for millions if not billions. just thought you should know"
she got mad

but the ending that i like to imagine is that the humans come back to pandora...and nuke the entire surface and take what they want, because although i liked the visuals of the movie, i had a hard time getting into "OH THE POOR BLUE PEOPLE" vibe

anyone else feel this way, or am i just unkind to the blue people?

Nope, I feel ya.

Bout ta go Imperium on yo ass and drop some EXTERMINATUS!!!!

exactly

Yea I thought the same thing basically.

So.....if this "unobtainium" is irradiated, can we still use it?
uhmm......yea looks like a chemical bath and we are all good.
So..... fire Ze missiles?
Fire Ze missiles!

My thoughts exactly.

Eywa has six years to learn how to stop orbital bombardments.

Good luck there, fething hippies!


KA-BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMY

No, you're just unkind to the blue people.

In the context of the film, humans put themselves in a position where they needed gobs of energy they couldn't produce and decided instead of fixing the problem they should rip it off from someone else.

It's pretty much the same as if a gang of Skunk growers set up in the house next to yours, and tap your mains for their lighting setup.

That's exactly what I said to my parents after we watched it together. They laughed, and agreed with me. It was a nice warm, family moment, based on the hypothetical deaths of millions of humans.

See, then Id KA-BLOOMY their residence. And say I smelled gas really strong before the ka-bloomy.

It always interests me that when we observe one species in nature that has the ability to out-compete its rivals and even cause their extinction, we chalk it up to the survival of the fittest and muse that while the species that died out might have been cuter and more cuddly, that's just nature's way.

When human beings out-compete other species, we deride ourselves as short-sighted, greedy and immoral.

I don't agree with humans mucking the planet up, destroying the rainforests and all that...I just find the semnatics of the issue interesting.

Butcher the blue people, slaughter them like dogs.

That movie was a pinko conspiracy, designed to make the white man hate himself more, and wish he was a warlike equally vicious native American or a warlike equally vicious African instead.

Well, not really.

But I really didn't care about those blue guys, and the film sucked balls as a whole. It was like Pocahontas with robots, and my nephew thought it was corny as hell and he is only 9.

Kilkrazy wrote:No, you're just unkind to the blue people.

In the context of the film, humans put themselves in a position where they needed gobs of energy they couldn't produce and decided instead of fixing the problem they should rip it off from someone else.

It's pretty much the same as if a gang of Skunk growers set up in the house next to yours, and tap your mains for their lighting setup.

The movie never tells how efficient the unobtanium is at producing energy. For all we know, 1 gram could power a city for a day through some super advanced method? the stores on Pandora could power the human race for thousands if not millions of years if used properly. Maybe there never was any unobtainium on earth and the humans just randomly found out that this "element" was a much needed solution to an energy crisis and could be a much cleaner and better alternative to current energy sources. Maybe this isnt what happens, movie doesnt go into it(IIRC), and the movie just depicts big corperations, coal(unobtanium even looks like coal and its surface mined), as horrible, because James Cameron is fairly far to the left on the political spectrum. If i was the head of whatever corperation, i'd have that moon nuked so fast, and the government would back me because they need energy to keep their people happy, and its quite obvious that diplomacy was not an option with these people.

Carmine the Wolf wrote:It always interests me that when we observe one species in nature that has the ability to out-compete its rivals and even cause their extinction, we chalk it up to the survival of the fittest and muse that while the species that died out might have been cuter and more cuddly, that's just nature's way.

When human beings out-compete other species, we deride ourselves as short-sighted, greedy and immoral.

I don't agree with humans mucking the planet up, destroying the rainforests and all that...I just find the semnatics of the issue interesting.

Do we? Funny how there are a lot of campaigns to save the fuzzy-cute but evolutionarily pants pandas, but no-one's looking out for the endangered sea slugs.

In fairness to the 'blue monkeys' its not their fault we feth our own planet.

Also the idea that we exhaust earth so we go elsewhere is not an actual solution. Sustainability is, just try explaining sustainability to a zaibatsu.

Edo period Japan had the world's most successful forestry management programme.

Kilkrazy wrote:Edo period Japan had the world's most successful forestry management programme.

Good catch, space zaibatsus tend to get exceptionally nasty though, its part of the genre.

If you remove the deus ex machina Avatar would have been one of the best written movies of all time. Keep everything as it was theatrically released up until the point where the planet decides to kill all humans. The bluebies loose the battle, the big ass bomb ends up being dropped from the bomber, smurfette ends up being killed, Jake's avatar is toasted, and Jake ends up being captured. The move then ends just like the south park episode "Dances with smurfs" with Jake on trial back on earth. The smurfs are then forced onto reservations, and history repeats it'self.

That being said good writing makes less money than a total cop out, and Avatar would not have been the #1 money making movie of all time if it didn't have a feel good ending at the expense of good writing.

You'd have to rewrite all the dialogue too. And tone a lot of the acting way the heck down.

htj wrote:

Carmine the Wolf wrote:It always interests me that when we observe one species in nature that has the ability to out-compete its rivals and even cause their extinction, we chalk it up to the survival of the fittest and muse that while the species that died out might have been cuter and more cuddly, that's just nature's way.

When human beings out-compete other species, we deride ourselves as short-sighted, greedy and immoral.

I don't agree with humans mucking the planet up, destroying the rainforests and all that...I just find the semnatics of the issue interesting.

Do we? Funny how there are a lot of campaigns to save the fuzzy-cute but evolutionarily pants pandas, but no-one's looking out for the endangered sea slugs.

I was thinking more about the intellectual approach to the issue, rather than the wooly, ill-informed approach that wants to save all the cute creatures while at the same time thinking that spiders are icky.


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htj wrote:You'd have to rewrite all the dialogue too. And tone a lot of the acting way the heck down.

You know, no matter how hard I try, I can't recall one line of dialogue from that film...so memorable!

Personally I think the film was very good and wouldn't have changed much about it.

Carmine the Wolf wrote:It always interests me that when we observe one species in nature that has the ability to out-compete its rivals and even cause their extinction, we chalk it up to the survival of the fittest and muse that while the species that died out might have been cuter and more cuddly, that's just nature's way.

When human beings out-compete other species, we deride ourselves as short-sighted, greedy and immoral.

I don't agree with humans mucking the planet up, destroying the rainforests and all that...I just find the semnatics of the issue interesting.

Looks like the cuddly blue people did the out-competing in that movie. Guess they were more fit and the silly humans can just quietly go extinct now. It's nature's way, after-all.

The problem with your train of thought is exactly what Agent Smith said about humans in The Matrix:

I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.

While we're busy out-competing, we're also busy destroying our own habitat. Other animals might do something similar, but none are as efficient at it as humans. They wouldn't understand why it was happening and they wouldn't be able to take steps to prevent it...they would simply die. We, on the other hand, have no one to blame but ourselves (barring some massive unavoidable natural catastrophe, of course).

Kilkrazy wrote:Edo period Japan had the world's most successful forestry management programme.

Forestry is different than energy. Trees grow back ALOT faster than Coal reserves come back, and until mankind has a good alternative...well gotta keep doing it. There are many organizations researching VIABLE replacements for coal, and one of the main viable alternatives is not that popular recently (nuclear). Wind, solar and geothermic are not practical, and hydro is very limited. So anyone against unobtainium(coal) should get off the internet, because computers are powered by electricity, and guess where almost 90% of all electricity comes from. Hint:Burning Coal. People are entitled to their opinions, but i believe they should back them up, and so if someone is against expansion and progress and nicer quality of life, fight it.
/rant

My armour is contempt
My shield is disgust
My sword is hatred

By the name of the emperor
Let none survive

remilia_scarlet wrote:My armour is contempt
My shield is disgust
My sword is hatred

By the name of the emperor
Let none survive

does dakka have a Like button?

dajobe wrote:

remilia_scarlet wrote:My armour is contempt
My shield is disgust
My sword is hatred

By the name of the emperor
Let none survive

does dakka have a Like button?

I wish.

@Carmine

Oh, OK, sorry for the misunderstanding. Indeed, you're quite right then.

schadenfreude wrote:If you remove the deus ex machina Avatar would have been one of the best written movies of all time.

I'm not taking that troll bait.

Terrible movie, but if you think that humans killing billions for their own mistake is all fine and dandy, you should get yourself checked up. The kittens in my garden agree.

And, as bushido quoted, simply draining one place and moving on to the next it unsustainable and will always lead to the same situation: running out of places to go to, and either learning to pick the purple berries or dying out.

Top 10 Reasons I rooted against the catpeople:

1) Humans are inherently the good guys. The default is to root for us.
2) The catpeople are the ones who rejected a diplomatic solution.
3) The catpeople have no more claim to the planet than humans did. They're clearly not a native species, since every other species on the planet had 6 legs and 4 eyes.
4) The over-the-top environmental message was way too obvious. Which made me hostile to it, rather than sway me.
5) The only interesting character was the "evil" human marine guy.
6) The catpeople commit bestiality rape. That's pretty gross.
7) The catpeople are super religious.
8) Ewoks defeating Storm Troopers was more believable than the humans loosing to bows and arrows.
9) They've got everything they need easily provided to them by the planet. It seriously looks like the entire ecosystem was designed about supplying their every need. Yet, they still act like their life is so tough.
10) Furries need to be purified.

Grakmar wrote:Top 10 Reasons I rooted against the catpeople:

1) Humans are inherently the good guys. The default is to root for us.
2) The catpeople are the ones who rejected a diplomatic solution.
3) The catpeople have no more claim to the planet than humans did. They're clearly not a native species, since every other species on the planet had 6 legs and 4 eyes.
4) The over-the-top environmental message was way too obvious. Which made me hostile to it, rather than sway me.
5) The only interesting character was the "evil" human marine guy.
6) The catpeople commit bestiality rape. That's pretty gross.
7) The catpeople are super religious.
8) Ewoks defeating Storm Troopers was more believable than the humans loosing to bows and arrows.
9) They've got everything they need easily provided to them by the planet. It seriously looks like the entire ecosystem was designed about supplying their every need. Yet, they still act like their life is so tough.
10) Furries need to be purified.

THAT...WAS...AMAZING!!!woot woot, i did not relate with the blue people if you guys/gals have not guessed that yet...