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ok, that is correct, he is good at catering to what is currently in, i just dont agree with many of his political stances, Avatar did LOOK nice, i will give him that, i didnt like the movie itself though, titanic is ok

Political? Nah, it's a story that would make money, so he rolled with it. A subvertive message in a film is great, read: District 9. What Avatar did was bash on the head with a brick labelled save the environment. I'm glad I only ever watched Dances with Smurfs once.

I think hitting me with a brick saying save the environment is a political message. I love the national parks and think that it should be saved, but i dont want to beaten over the head with it. It is his first ammendment right to make a movie and say what he wants in it, but it is also my first ammendment right to call him a nutjob for what i feel is him preaching in movie form.

It's a political opinion that you may want to put on him, but I highly doubt that James Cameron the man was actually trying to convey his own personal message. It's a money making scheme.

or both!

dajobe wrote:I think hitting me with a brick saying save the environment is a political message. I love the national parks and think that it should be saved, but i dont want to beaten over the head with it. It is his first ammendment right to make a movie and say what he wants in it, but it is also my first ammendment right to call him a nutjob for what i feel is him preaching in movie form.

Technically that is a libel, which isn't protected speech.

I won't delete the comment because I think James Cameron has better things to do than cruise the OT Forum looking for excuses to sue us.

lol, i guess that is technically libel...
how about this: i thought that the movie Avatar had great cinematics and I personally believe that the movie hints at many controversial political issues in a way that is one sided that I do not agree with and do not like the director that much for previously listed reasons.

lol, if james cameron sued every person who said something bad about him on the internet, he'd be sueing alot of people...

also, i just shouted my previous libelous statement in my office because its not libel if it is spoken

Kilkrazy wrote:

dajobe wrote:I think hitting me with a brick saying save the environment is a political message. I love the national parks and think that it should be saved, but i dont want to beaten over the head with it. It is his first ammendment right to make a movie and say what he wants in it, but it is also my first ammendment right to call him a nutjob for what i feel is him preaching in movie form.

Technically that is a libel, which isn't protected speech.

I won't delete the comment because I think James Cameron has better things to do than cruise the OT Forum looking for excuses to sue us.

Technically, it's an opinion, which is protected speech.

Now if he had made a factual assertion, for example that James Cameron is a convicted criminal, or implied a fact, for example saying that James Cameron has never admitted to being an alcoholic, then it would be libel.

He called Cameron a nutjob.

Perhaps that means something different in the USA to the UK.

Kilkrazy wrote:He called Cameron a nutjob.

Perhaps that means something different in the USA to the UK.

you been to the US?

it means i think he's crazy


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on google define, it means someone that is crazy or an idiot

This is how I feel about Avatar

ROFL

sluggaslugga wrote:This is how I feel about Avatar

so true....

Kilkrazy wrote:He called Cameron a nutjob.

Perhaps that means something different in the USA to the UK.

It might.

Here it's meant as a general derogatory term, it doesn't imply that the person lacks mental facilities (in the medical sense) or that the person suffers from a mental derangement or illness. I can call someone a "nutjob" and most people will see it as an expression of disbelief in someone's views and/or beliefs, not a statement about their mental capacity.

Similarly, the term "idiot" or "dumb" is used as a general insult, not to indicate that the person suffers from mental illness or is unable to speak.

Besides, damages is an element of the libel claim, and I'm 99% sure Cameron would have a difficult time proving that, assuming he could overcome the burden imposed by Sullivan.

Another defense to libel is that you reasonably believed the statement was in fact true, even if it wasn't.

So, for Cameron to successfully sue, he'd have to prove that he wasn't actually crazy. And, dajobe would then have to fall back on the fact that he thought Cameron was, and had a reasonable belief for it.

For example, this Daily Mail article calling Cameron crazy: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1248645/Linda-Hamilton-My-rollercoaster-marriage-James-Cameron-Avatar-genius.html

Please do not call James Cameron by his last name, Cameron.
Because that is my name, And people equate me to Cameron Diaz or James Cameron.
Please use his full name XD
Its confusing Because sometimes i go offline and thinking "Wait i did what?"

I would have orbital bombarded them, burnt off the atmophier and striped mined it all, all the while humming to my self "its not my world"
Why should we be bothered to be diplomatic when they don't even have a flag. We stuck one down and there fore the world is now ours to do with as we wish Strip mine and credits for whom kills the most bluebies a week.

Asherian Command wrote:Please do not call James Cameron by his last name, Cameron.
Because that is my name, And people equate me to Cameron Diaz or James Cameron.
Please use his full name XD
Its confusing Because sometimes i go offline and thinking "Wait i did what?"

Okay...

Cameron ( ) ripped everything off Pocahontas (if you look at my upper post you can see what I'm talking about.)

Preferred if James Cameron and Del toro had made At the Mountains of Madness instead of Pocohontas 3001.

R 18+ horror or Pg 13+ idiocy.

I liked Avatar. It's not the best story but the hate it receives from nerdom has nothing to do with the actual quality of the movie but rather its box office success.

Asherian Command wrote:Please do not call James Cameron by his last name, Cameron.
Because that is my name, And people equate me to Cameron Diaz or James Cameron.
Please use his full name XD
Its confusing Because sometimes i go offline and thinking "Wait i did what?"

The thing that unsettled me with Avatar was how it kinda sorta hinted at the middle east (imho) Also When half the audience was laughing during the climactic battle, Me (the soldier) was getting very angry. These guys had families too. They were just following orders. But that's me, anyone else have a similar experience with their crowd?

Fattimus_maximus wrote:The thing that unsettled me with Avatar was how it kinda sorta hinted at the middle east (imho) Also When half the audience was laughing during the climactic battle, Me (the soldier) was getting very angry. These guys had families too. They were just following orders. But that's me, anyone else have a similar experience with their crowd?

Do you often think of the families of the guards that James Bond dispatches so regularly?

sebster wrote:

Fattimus_maximus wrote:The thing that unsettled me with Avatar was how it kinda sorta hinted at the middle east (imho) Also When half the audience was laughing during the climactic battle, Me (the soldier) was getting very angry. These guys had families too. They were just following orders. But that's me, anyone else have a similar experience with their crowd?

Do you often think of the families of the guards that James Bond dispatches so regularly?

Yes. Constantly. Especially the grieving widow. I think about her a lot.

Fattimus_maximus wrote:The thing that unsettled me with Avatar was how it kinda sorta hinted at the middle east (imho) Also When half the audience was laughing during the climactic battle, Me (the soldier) was getting very angry. These guys had families too. They were just following orders. But that's me, anyone else have a similar experience with their crowd?

yeah, my mom and sister were both like "Kill those soldiers!" and i just 'ed. It always really ticks me off when people say really anything against the US military branches. Or when my neighbor said "what right did the US have to just go in and kill BIN LADEN?" my reply was "what right did he have to kill 2000+ Americans on 9/11?". she shut up after that.

dajobe wrote:

Fattimus_maximus wrote:The thing that unsettled me with Avatar was how it kinda sorta hinted at the middle east (imho) Also When half the audience was laughing during the climactic battle, Me (the soldier) was getting very angry. These guys had families too. They were just following orders. But that's me, anyone else have a similar experience with their crowd?

yeah, my mom and sister were both like "Kill those soldiers!" and i just 'ed. It always really ticks me off when people say really anything against the US military branches. Or when my neighbor said "what right did the US have to just go in and kill BIN LADEN?" my reply was "what right did he have to kill 2000+ Americans on 9/11?". she shut up after that.

And *this* mentality strikes me as a little odd. When the soldiers are so blatantly depicted as the bad guys, it's not ok to root against them because they are "American military?" Never mind that it's a work of fiction and the audience is supposed to cheer for the protagonists.

To be fair, the "soldiers" that were in Avatar weren't actually military. They were mercenaries that answered to a private corporation that was trying to mine the planet.

So, they weren't enlisted. They weren't serving their country. They voluntarily took a dangerous job, and were free to quit at any time.

they are mercenaries in the movie, but i feel bad for/side with anyone that is following orders and dying. Also, yes, i do believe all americans should root for US soldiers in movies and real life because I believe that anyone that is willing to risk their life/ donate 4+ years of their life to protecting this country deserves to be rooted for in movies and supported in real life.

dajobe wrote:i do believe all americans should root for US soldiers in movies

So in Platoon when Tom Berenger is committing war crimes and shooting members of his own unit we are supposed to cheer him on? Or Abu Graib? Just sit back and be "feth Yeah! Human pyramid! Such ingenuity!"? I could go on. Being a member of the military isn't now nor has it ever been a free pass for acting unethically and "just following orders" is not a very good excuse.