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Brother Coa wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

Eldar are arrogant, but you can't call them idiots because they don't lay down and die. So what if they are on the verge of extinction anyone would keep on fighting instead of laying down to die

They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:

-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.
-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).
-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

Like I said: Idiots...

Second two are pretty true, but where do you want them to retreat to. There is honestly no place safer than a craftworld for the eldar to live on. Going anywhere else would abandon all their technology and defenses including infinity circuit, and leave them open to attack from any other race out there. There are no safe planets where nobody is allowed to kill you, this is grimdark.

Nicholas wrote:
Second two are pretty true, but where do you want them to retreat to. There is honestly no place safer than a craftworld for the eldar to live on. Going anywhere else would abandon all their technology and defenses including infinity circuit, and leave them open to attack from any other race out there. There are no safe planets where nobody is allowed to kill you, this is grimdark.

? ? Maiden worlds ? ?

As I understand it ( from thread I posted ) Maiden worlds are around the galaxy ( near the edge ). So except Ork attacks they are pretty safe.
And they can take all their tech with them and rebuild.

But this is grimdark and they all have to die...

Out of interest:
When did this infiltration of the Alpha Legion begin?
Looking at Alpharius ( who is omegon? ) and purplefood ( who is alpharius? ) mirroring alpharius avatar and signature.



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Arrogance is a feature of elves, and elfs in space are still that...
But certainly no one is free of this, just some have it "inbuilt" whilst others have the usual amount of .

Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

The Eldar have no choice to fight. They do see themselves as superior however not all craftworlds are outright racist towards humans, craftworlds such as Ulthwé work with humans because they understand that them alone can't defeat chaos.

The Tau are less arrogant, more ignorant. They don't yet understand the strength of the other races, especially the power of chaos. But ignorance is bliss, so just humour their big plans for now.

These are not the Alpha legions you're looking for, please continue on topic.

1hadhq wrote:




Out of interest:
When did this infiltration of the Alpha Legion begin?
Looking at Alpharius ( who is omegon? ) and purplefood ( who is alpharius? ) mirroring alpharius avatar and signature.



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Arrogance is a feature of elves, and elfs in space are still that...
But certainly no one is free of this, just some have it "inbuilt" whilst others have the usual amount of .

You are mistaken 1hadhq, Alpharius died in battle with the ultramarines so he couldn't possibly be any of us.

Indeed 1hadhq, i have no idea what you are on about...

Brother Coa wrote:

Nicholas wrote:
Second two are pretty true, but where do you want them to retreat to. There is honestly no place safer than a craftworld for the eldar to live on. Going anywhere else would abandon all their technology and defenses including infinity circuit, and leave them open to attack from any other race out there. There are no safe planets where nobody is allowed to kill you, this is grimdark.

? ? Maiden worlds ? ?

As I understand it ( from thread I posted ) Maiden worlds are around the galaxy ( near the edge ). So except Ork attacks they are pretty safe.
And they can take all their tech with them and rebuild.

But this is grimdark and they all have to die...

I still don't see how they are safer than craftworlds. Not only would be leaving the craftworld a huge loss, but the maiden worlds are definately less defended than craftworlds. The effort it would take to move the tech and infinity circuit to a maiden world wouldn't be worth it. My understanding is that craftworlds are much larger anyway, less likely to be attacked, and much better off if they are attacked. Plus the maiden worlds they aren't already on would have to be reconquered, and making new ones is slow if not lost to them after the fall.

purplefood wrote:Indeed 1hadhq, i have no idea what you are on about...

Right.

I mean, you've read LEGION, right?

You, me, them...we all get to say...

I am Alpharius.

On topic:

In the 40K Galaxy, peace really is not an option, and a Righteous Cause is the best armor!

1hadhq wrote:




Out of interest:
When did this infiltration of the Alpha Legion begin?
Looking at Alpharius ( who is omegon? ) and purplefood ( who is alpharius? ) mirroring alpharius avatar and signature.



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Arrogance is a feature of elves, and elfs in space are still that...
But certainly no one is free of this, just some have it "inbuilt" whilst others have the usual amount of .

I, Alpharius, am completely sure I have no idea what you are talking about.

I need to read legion...

No the best armour is any that gives a 2+/2++, lol

Sneaky thread. And that is why the Alpha Legion is the best, the EC,WE,BL can't handle this amount of tactics.

Then again, why do elves in most fantasy realms appear arrogant?

Brother Coa wrote:They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:
-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.

Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

@Omegus: They can also have multiple partners contribute, due to requiring multiple "visits".

CrazyThang wrote:@Omegus: They can also have multiple partners contribute, due to requiring multiple "visits".

What my brethren said....

Somehow...


I KNEW this would devolve into another Eldar reproduction thread

lol, its the eldar, what else is there to talk about them?

besides the crochet and tea clubs, not much.

Brother Coa wrote:Maiden worlds are around the galaxy

How is a planet safer than a space ship that can fly away from trouble?

Omegus wrote:
Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

At least my option is giving them a way to survive as a race...

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

They are jealous at Humans because they were upstarts in their time and now they rule the galaxy.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

You don't see that as fail?
British Empire lasted for more than 300 years only to be disbanded in less than 30. I call that fail
France was once a major military force, yet since Napoleon they look like they totally forgotten how to fight ( France-Prussian War, they won the WWI but barely and with great cost, WW II, then their empire came crushing down, not to mention scenes from North Africa and Vietnam. )
USA fought for years in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq lost thousand of solders for what in the end?
USSR couldn't beat Talibans and soon after that came crushing down with their economy non existing.
Yugoslavia has building peace between nations and blocks and teach about friendship and unity only to break in the bloodiest civil war the Europe has seen.

I call that fails. And creating a Chaos god, not being able to see reason and try to survive, losing 90% of their population and their entire empire is big time fail...






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DarknessEternal wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Maiden worlds are around the galaxy

How is a planet safer than a space ship that can fly away from trouble?

Planet have a lot of resources and it is especially save when none lives around you and none knows about her...
Planet is safer because of her's stealth. If none knows where you are then it is safe. Ships can run, but where? Usually it means running from smaller problem to big one.

The similar comparison would be some backwater island or ship at sea?


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Grey Templar wrote:Somehow...


I KNEW this would devolve into another Eldar reproduction thread

The funny thing is that this is tread about all races arrogance and we talk only about Eldar...

Brother Coa wrote:

Omegus wrote:
Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

At least my option is giving them a way to survive as a race...

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

They are jealous at Humans because they were upstarts in their time and now they rule the galaxy.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

You don't see that as fail?
British Empire lasted for more than 300 years only to be disbanded in less than 30. I call that fail
France was once a major military force, yet since Napoleon they look like they totally forgotten how to fight ( France-Prussian War, they won the WWI but barely and with great cost, WW II, then their empire came crushing down, not to mention scenes from North Africa and Vietnam. )
USA fought for years in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq lost thousand of solders for what in the end?
USSR couldn't beat Talibans and soon after that came crushing down with their economy non existing.
Yugoslavia has building peace between nations and blocks and teach about friendship and unity only to break in the bloodiest civil war the Europe has seen.

I call that fails. And creating a Chaos god, not being able to see reason and try to survive, losing 90% of their population and their entire empire is big time fail...






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DarknessEternal wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Maiden worlds are around the galaxy

How is a planet safer than a space ship that can fly away from trouble?

Planet have a lot of resources and it is especially save when none lives around you and none knows about her...
Planet is safer because of her's stealth. If none knows where you are then it is safe. Ships can run, but where? Usually it means running from smaller problem to big one.

The similar comparison would be some backwater island or ship at sea?


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Grey Templar wrote:Somehow...


I KNEW this would devolve into another Eldar reproduction thread

The funny thing is that this is tread about all races arrogance and we talk only about Eldar...

I honestly fail to see your point, at all.

On to your other (auto appended) post...

Planets can be constantly assaulted. Ships can escape into the warp or simply run (in a scale as large as space, running can work, very easily). Eldar ships can use the webway.

@CrazyThang Short version: Eldar are idiots.


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CrazyThang wrote:
Planets can be constantly assaulted. Ships can escape into the warp or simply run (in a scale as large as space, running can work, very easily). Eldar ships can use the webway.

I was trying to implement that if this was the case than every race out there would live on ships or giant cities in space.
And my point is that none, not even Chaos, don't know where lost Eldar colonies are. And if none can find you - none can hurt you.
The poin was that the Eldar refuse this not because of safety, but because they must "continue the fight at all cost".
In short - die fighting.

Brother Coa wrote:@CrazyThang Short version: Eldar are idiots.

Right, that clears everything right up, then. (/sarcasm, BUT I will re-read your post :b )


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Brother Coa wrote:@CrazyThang Short version: Eldar are idiots.


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CrazyThang wrote:
Planets can be constantly assaulted. Ships can escape into the warp or simply run (in a scale as large as space, running can work, very easily). Eldar ships can use the webway.

I was trying to implement that if this was the case than every race out there would live on ships or giant cities in space.
And my point is that none, not even Chaos, don't know where lost Eldar colonies are. And if none can find you - none can hurt you.
The poin was that the Eldar refuse this not because of safety, but because they must "continue the fight at all cost".
In short - die fighting.

No one knows where craftworlds are either.

To add something further. As has been stated, the exodites are trying to survive and "rebuild". Biel-Tan wants to rebuild the Eldar empire back to it's former glory as well.

There can be only war. If they were friendly and neighborly, than there might might be some peace... Outrageous!

Eldar will not go to war to save one Eldar life if it means the likely casualty of several. Eldar consider themselves equal, there is only the Exarchs whom are lesser than the others, and even they are respected and revered for what they do. Eldar might go to war over an individual if it means a likely beneficial outcome for the Eldar race as a greater being in the future, and that single individual do not even have to be Eldar, they may even go to war to protect a human if it means that human will shape the future such that a threat to the Craftworld is diminished, or that a human world is cleansed of the taint of chaos.
Eldar are nothing but pragmatic.

Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

Spoken like a human of the 41st millenia.

Eldar are diviners, they know the possible futures. There's a reason why they keep fighting.

As a side note, Eldar consider that it was their arrogance and ignorance which created Slaanesh.

Eldar are largely justified in their actions to preserve themselves, largely because they, of course, would favour their own race over any other. Easpically since most races are openly hostile to members of other races.

Tau, Orcs, Necrons and Trynards are the least arrogent by their nature, and largely most of those because they either lack the capability for it, have no use in being overly arrogent (Necrons, Orcs and Tyards will just destory anything.). Tau are the only race approching reasonable, and even then given their next codex and they will simply be a newer imperium of mankind, and already have a convert or fight policy.

Of course, since the univerce is full of stagment momocultures, it's only fair that Eldar die a incredably slow time, even though logally mating more would solve that problem. XD

Brother Coa wrote:
You don't see that as fail?
British Empire lasted for more than 300 years only to be disbanded in less than 30. I call that fail
France was once a major military force, yet since Napoleon they look like they totally forgotten how to fight ( France-Prussian War, they won the WWI but barely and with great cost, WW II, then their empire came crushing down, not to mention scenes from North Africa and Vietnam. )
USA fought for years in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq lost thousand of solders for what in the end?
USSR couldn't beat Talibans and soon after that came crushing down with their economy non existing.
Yugoslavia has building peace between nations and blocks and teach about friendship and unity only to break in the bloodiest civil war the Europe has seen.

I call that fails. And creating a Chaos god, not being able to see reason and try to survive, losing 90% of their population and their entire empire is big time fail...

The only fail here is my failure to see your point. By that standard, the Imperium is full of fail too. They barely managed to spread across the galaxy when half of them went rogue and killed their big bad awesome Emperor. You may see partying so hard that it destroys a chunk of the universe as a fail, I see it as an accomplishment (and perhaps the plot of Hangover 3?). And you keep ignoring the fact that Craftworld Eldar are a minority, while there are plenty of Eldar (of the Dark and Exodite varieties) who not only survive, but are prospering and flourishing.

forruner_mercy wrote:So, I, like many other people, have noticed how freaking arrogant the races are in the 40K universe. There is the Space Marines, believing that they are total badasses, which is really not far from the fact. But they come of as quite arrogant. The Tau have their whole "Greater Good" thing, which seem fairly arrogant to me. The Eldar seem like the most arrogant by far. This is extremely noticeable in Dawn of War 2: Retribution. They frequently say things about all of the races involved, especially the Humans.
For instance, there is a point where when either the Ranger hero or the Warlock hero is talking about a Traitor Guard transmission, and he says that "Human communication's is not far removed from shouting." This came of as quite arrogant to me.

So what are your thoughts? I could be wrong on a lot of this, but I would like to know what you guys think.

Warlock when fighting humans: 'ARROGANT MAMMALS!'

Eldar are a superior race to humans. Its a fact based on gw fluff.

I can't believe there has only been 1 entry on Necrons. And Necrons are superior to Eldar. Necrons (or at least the Necrontyr) are older than Eldar. Necrons almost shut off the warp forever. I'm not sure if Necrons would be classified as arrogant, they just want to feed. The C'tan, sure, but the race as a whole I don't think so.