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Void__Dragon wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:They're more than capable of exceeding that, they just don't care to. They're home is unassailable. They only need to come out for slave raids, so that's all they come out for.

Not really.

You do realize that they guy I was disagreeing with said they could only attack defenseless populations right?

DarknessEternal wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:They're more than capable of exceeding that, they just don't care to. They're home is unassailable. They only need to come out for slave raids, so that's all they come out for.

Not really.

You do realize that they guy I was disagreeing with said they could only attack defenseless populations right?

You do realise I was that guy right?

Though that is not what I said, I said mostly, and that is generally true, Dark Eldar are not known for playing "fair," other than the need to populate the Arenas with tough guise, they tend to go for easier prey.

I think Dark Eldar are such a prolific race due to hedonistic lifestyles.

Eldar gestation periods are apparently extraordinarily long, most Dark Eldar are not born naturally.

not really,

Dark Eldar born the natural way are pretty rare. most are test tube babies.

being born naturally is a status symbol in the Dark City normally reserved for the rich.


it has to do with the method of reproduction(o great, here we go again ) requiring multiple visits to concieve, assumedly with some sort of timing thing going on. its hard work.

Grey Templar wrote:not really,

Dark Eldar born the natural way are pretty rare. most are test tube babies.

being born naturally is a status symbol in the Dark City normally reserved for the rich.


it has to do with the method of reproduction(o great, here we go again ) requiring multiple visits to concieve, assumedly with some sort of timing thing going on. its hard work.

The orks are the simplest. They release spores.

forruner_mercy wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:not really,

Dark Eldar born the natural way are pretty rare. most are test tube babies.

being born naturally is a status symbol in the Dark City normally reserved for the rich.


it has to do with the method of reproduction(o great, here we go again ) requiring multiple visits to concieve, assumedly with some sort of timing thing going on. its hard work.

The orks are the simplest. They release spores.

Nah, tyranids, they just get spit out like phlem.

The Imperium, Chaos and Eldar(Including DEldar) are extremely arrogant. Necrons and Tyranids.. Not so much. Some orks are too.

Every Race is arrogant in 40k with an exception of Tyranids.

Slightly OT:
I love it how Eldar are considered the evil (arrogant in this thread) because they would sacrifice any numbers of other species to save one of their kind as opposed to IoM sacrificing almost any number of disposable humans to kill Xenos even if at the moment they are not hostile.
They are the most arrogant of all the races but that is not why. And this logic always make me chuckle.

Back on topic:
Of course everybody is either super extremely arrogant or calculating stone cold killers . Who would play some scared, pansy ass race that just wants to live peacefully and prosper due to long and honoured treaties with everybody

Macok wrote:Slightly OT:
I love it how Eldar are considered the evil (arrogant in this thread) because they would sacrifice any numbers of other species to save one of their kind as opposed to IoM sacrificing almost any number of disposable humans to kill Xenos even if at the moment they are not hostile.
They are the most arrogant of all the races but that is not why. And this logic always make me chuckle.

Back on topic:
Of course everybody is either super extremely arrogant or calculating stone cold killers . Who would play some scared, pansy ass race that just wants to live peacefully and prosper due to long and honoured treaties with everybody

Tau players!!! jk, i like my tau(not as much as my IG, or SM though)

The tau are great at arrogance especially when viewing the kroot both in game and fluff.

Be our friend and you too can be considered expendable.
Will we arm and armor you the equivalent of our fire warriors. Sorry that doesn't serve the greater good. Go out with your archaic flintlocks and daggers and perhaps we will give you some football shoulder pads then bubble wrap our important broadsides and other greater good elements (read tau manned).

Unfortunately, that argument can't be applied. Kroot choose to use their own equipment. They feel that is serves them as a species better if they avoid high technology.

Plus, i think tau prefer diplomacy more than many of the other races in the galaxy, i do realise that they do know how to fight(hence they have an army), i was just saying that they like dipomacy more than the other races.

I still say Eldar are the most arrogant...I read books about them and whenever they say something, my mind goes "So, you think you're better than me eh?" I mean, whenever you read the books, or play the DoW games, everything they say just implies that all other races are simple-minded or don't know whats coming for them. When the truth is that most of the time, when they make a judgement, the true outcome isn't always as they predicted for themselves.

My opinion is that they have no right to be arrogant, they may have once been a great galactic empire, but now, other factions in the universe are equally if not more stronger than them. At least respect them for it. I mean, at the least, other races can put up a fight if the Eldar deem its necessary for an entire planet to die so they can preserve some ruins they haven't used in over twenty thousand years.

LumenPraebeo wrote:I still say Eldar are the most arrogant.. I mean, whenever you read the books, or play the DoW games, everything they say just implies that all other races are simple-minded or don't know whats coming for them.

They were the biggest and best, and then they failed. So, they do know what's best, or at least what not to do.

DarknessEternal wrote:They were the biggest and best, and then they failed. So, they do know what's best, or at least what not to do.

Which does not mean that other races don't know how to do things their own way and still turn out okay

DarknessEternal wrote:

LumenPraebeo wrote:I still say Eldar are the most arrogant.. I mean, whenever you read the books, or play the DoW games, everything they say just implies that all other races are simple-minded or don't know whats coming for them.

They were the biggest and best, and then they failed. So, they do know what's best, or at least what not to do.

In my OP, I was just talking about how they came off as arrogant to me when they talked. I don't really know anything about their fluff. But what you said does not give them the right to be so arrogant.

But hey, this is grimdark 40K we're talking about here

Ultramarinescout wrote:Every Race is arrogant in 40k with an exception of Tyranids.

Arguably the Tyranid is the most arrogant of the known species. It doesn't even acknowledge that another species might be sapient.

But all of the species of 40K are basically evil demented gits. Eldar will screw everyone to any extreme for any kind of advantage, real or imaginary. Humans & Necrons believe that by divine right, it is their destiny to destroy all intelligent life but their own. Dark Eldar, Orks & Tau wants to enslave everyone. And Chaos wants to warp everyone.

Simsum wrote:

Ultramarinescout wrote:Every Race is arrogant in 40k with an exception of Tyranids.

Arguably the Tyranid is the most arrogant of the known species. It doesn't even acknowledge that another species might be sapient.

But all of the species of 40K are basically evil demented gits. Eldar will screw everyone to any extreme for any kind of advantage, real or imaginary. Humans & Necrons believe that by divine right, it is their destiny to destroy all intelligent life but their own. Dark Eldar, Orks & Tau wants to enslave everyone. And Chaos wants to warp everyone.

For arrogance you need intelligence and Tyranids are just stupid bugs. Hive Mind included...

Brother Coa wrote:For arrogance you need intelligence and Tyranids are just stupid bugs. Hive Mind included...

Uh, no, the Tyranids as a faction, aka the Hive Mind, is constantly noted to be far more intelligent than their appearance would suggest.

And hell, every Hive Tyrant has a unique consciousness, the Swarmlord in particular being extraordinarily intelligent.

It is an alien intelligence, but still intelligent.

Necrons are arrogant in that they don't actually view their conflicts as a war, not even entertaining such a ridiculous notion that other sentient beings are worth warring with. To them it's farming.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:For arrogance you need intelligence and Tyranids are just stupid bugs. Hive Mind included...

Uh, no, the Tyranids as a faction, aka the Hive Mind, is constantly noted to be far more intelligent than their appearance would suggest.

And hell, every Hive Tyrant has a unique consciousness, the Swarmlord in particular being extraordinarily intelligent.

It is an alien intelligence, but still intelligent.

Necrons are arrogant in that they don't actually view their conflicts as a war, not even entertaining such a ridiculous notion that other sentient beings are worth warring with. To them it's farming.

2 things:

-If Tyranids were smart they would step away from Milky way since they get but kicked 3 times already. But like every stupid animal they rush to their deaths...
-Necrons are are smart as is that robot the Americans used in Iraq. He killed people but only trough sheer will of his controllers... They have no will of their own what-so-ever so they can't be arrogant at all...

The tyranid fleets we've seen are probably just the forerunners for the main force, like the tips of fingers on a grasping hand.

The Necrons themselves might not be intelligant but the C'tan are, and they're the ones who are farming life.

Brother Coa wrote:2 things:

-If Tyranids were smart they would step away from Milky way since they get but kicked 3 times already. But like every stupid animal they rush to their deaths...
-Necrons are are smart as is that robot the Americans used in Iraq. He killed people but only trough sheer will of his controllers... They have no will of their own what-so-ever so they can't be arrogant at all...

Yeah no you're wrong on both counts.

Quite frankly, on the former, I will not bother to educate you on something so repeatedly emphasized in the fluff. The Tyranids have lost a few times, yes, but each time the Imperium suffered heavy losses, and the Tyranids have a LOT of reserves, perhaps even more than the Imperium. And no, only Behemoth blindly rushed in, which was the weakest Hive Fleet and just was meant to test the galaxy, and even then it took almost the entire Ultramarine chapter and all of their defenses to fight. Hell, most Synapse Creatures are also intelligent as well.

As for the Necrons, nope nope nope. Now, most Necron Warriors are mindless automotons, this is true. But Necron Immortals and Lords, owing to the fact that they tend to die less, and their repair systems are much more sophisticated. Flayed Ones are also intelligent, although insane.

Simsum wrote:

Ultramarinescout wrote:Every Race is arrogant in 40k with an exception of Tyranids.

Arguably the Tyranid is the most arrogant of the known species. It doesn't even acknowledge that another species might be sapient.

But all of the species of 40K are basically evil demented gits. Eldar will screw everyone to any extreme for any kind of advantage, real or imaginary. Humans & Necrons believe that by divine right, it is their destiny to destroy all intelligent life but their own. Dark Eldar, Orks & Tau wants to enslave everyone. And Chaos wants to warp everyone.

Orks enslaving people

Void__Dragon wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:2 things:

-If Tyranids were smart they would step away from Milky way since they get but kicked 3 times already. But like every stupid animal they rush to their deaths...
-Necrons are are smart as is that robot the Americans used in Iraq. He killed people but only trough sheer will of his controllers... They have no will of their own what-so-ever so they can't be arrogant at all...

Yeah no you're wrong on both counts.

Quite frankly, on the former, I will not bother to educate you on something so repeatedly emphasized in the fluff. The Tyranids have lost a few times, yes, but each time the Imperium suffered heavy losses, and the Tyranids have a LOT of reserves, perhaps even more than the Imperium. And no, only Behemoth blindly rushed in, which was the weakest Hive Fleet and just was meant to test the galaxy, and even then it took almost the entire Ultramarine chapter and all of their defenses to fight. Hell, most Synapse Creatures are also intelligent as well.

As for the Necrons, nope nope nope. Now, most Necron Warriors are mindless automotons, this is true. But Necron Immortals and Lords, owing to the fact that they tend to die less, and their repair systems are much more sophisticated. Flayed Ones are also intelligent, although insane.

Ok, this is going nowhere. So I will not continue, and I will say that you are right about some parts - but wrong at others. We simply don't know to much about the Tyranids to even assume they send Behemoth to"test" the galaxy. For all that we know - those 3 major Hive Fleets may be the entire Tyranid race... and those smaller that enter the galaxy just remnants of them... We won't know until next Tyranid codex comes out. And while Imperium and Eldar suffer Heavy losses they rebuild in short time ( 100 years for Ultra, Eldar are still rebuilding dough ).

And Necron Lords and Immortals represent those Controllers I mentioned earlier. While most of their race is brain-dead those few that remained sane are still servant's of the C'Tan. So even they don't have mind of their own ( but again who knows? Matt Ward has given them conciseness in Blood Angels Codex, maybe the new edition will represent them in a better light and maybe they will start thinking for themselves again ).

And my final word on the subject: Eldar and Humans are 2 most arrogant races in the galaxy. Humans because of the situation and Eldar because it is in their nature to put pride on top of survival...

I wouldn't say Eldar are arrogant..

Would you listen to the opinion of your 2 year old child in matters of war? To them, a human is no more than an upstart teen at best, with a limited understanding of ANYTHING. Humans are by Eldar standards, short lived, violent, stupid, little creatures that aren't worth a minute let alone years of time. Which makes sense, humans are dumb as hell in most cases, and we are violent too... I could easily see a race of brainiac super models thinking we are total fails.

The Eldar havn't admitted their ultimate failure. they constantly accuse mankind of, going to be, doing stupid things, they attempt to interfere and end up causing the bad things themselves and then they scream and whine at the "foolish humans" for messing everything up.


Their visions do little good for them most of the time. The bad stuff happens despite their attempts to stop it(assassinating Angron didn't work out too well) and they never think to blame themselves. heck, the only eldar i have seen take the blame for anything was the Farseer in Dark Crusade.


They would actually serve themselves best if they stopped trying to fix the future. They should all find a nice little cluster of worlds on the eastern fringe and settle down. make an impenetrable defense of these systems and rebuild their empire of old. Become introverts, let the galaxy do what it will and stop interfering. Who cares if Joe guardsmen has a kid who one day becomes a Colonel who, when fighting orks, orders a Basilisk barrrage which happens to land on a couple lost soulstones. Don't kill Joe, go pick up the damn soulstones if you do anything.

Oriallis wrote:The tyranid fleets we've seen are probably just the forerunners for the main force, like the tips of fingers on a grasping hand.

Codex Tyranids says Leviathan is the last of the Tyranids.


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Oriallis wrote:
The Necrons themselves might not be intelligant

And Necrons did not lose their intellect. They lost their individual personalities, and only most of them lost that.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Oriallis wrote:The tyranid fleets we've seen are probably just the forerunners for the main force, like the tips of fingers on a grasping hand.

Codex Tyranids says Leviathan is the last of the Tyranids.




iirc its the last of the individual tendrils, but there is that massive blob underneath the galactic plane