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Omegus wrote:
The only fail here is my failure to see your point. By that standard, the Imperium is full of fail too. They barely managed to spread across the galaxy when half of them went rogue and killed their big bad awesome Emperor. You may see partying so hard that it destroys a chunk of the universe as a fail, I see it as an accomplishment (and perhaps the plot of Hangover 3?). And you keep ignoring the fact that Craftworld Eldar are a minority, while there are plenty of Eldar (of the Dark and Exodite varieties) who not only survive, but are prospering and flourishing.

Imperium is also full of fail to, but Eldar are still s*** full of fails

Brother Coa wrote:@CrazyThang Short version: Eldar are idiots.


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CrazyThang wrote:
Planets can be constantly assaulted. Ships can escape into the warp or simply run (in a scale as large as space, running can work, very easily). Eldar ships can use the webway.

I was trying to implement that if this was the case than every race out there would live on ships or giant cities in space.
And my point is that none, not even Chaos, don't know where lost Eldar colonies are. And if none can find you - none can hurt you.
The poin was that the Eldar refuse this not because of safety, but because they must "continue the fight at all cost".
In short - die fighting.

If I'm not mistaken half the Maiden Worlds were lost in the fall and colonized by humans, so obviously people know where they are or can find them. Craftworlds hardly ever have to run anyway they have enough defenses to hold off almost all fleets. Craftworld hardly need resources as they can take power from stars and pick up food from the exodites

I will just state a fact, Eldar can divine the many futures and so the reason that they will continue to fight is that they see one or more futures where the Eldar empire of old will be rebuilt. If Mankind was on the verge of extinction but they knew that ther was one possibility that they can survive, would they just give up or would they fight for that glimmer of hope? All sentient beings in 40k (Minus some minor races perhaps) have a will to survive rather than simply giving up.

Oriallis wrote:I will just state a fact, Eldar can divine the many futures and so the reason that they will continue to fight is that they see one or more futures where the Eldar empire of old will be rebuilt. If Mankind was on the verge of extinction but they knew that ther was one possibility that they can survive, would they just give up or would they fight for that glimmer of hope? All sentient beings in 40k (Minus some minor races perhaps) have a will to survive rather than simply giving up.

Well... small, but important, thing I wish to add here: when an Eldar craftworld falls, or when an Exodite world falls, the Eldar souls interred within the infinity circuit fall prey to She Who Thirsts. This fate is... less than desirable... Now, if you pick up the 4th edition codex and read about Eldrad, you get the hint that during Rana Dhandra, the Eldar will combine their infinity circuits to form Ynnead, thus saving their souls from predation.
It may very well be that the Eldar keep struggling in order to save their souls more than anything. Most Eldar craftworlds consider the re-builders that are Biel-Tan just slightly crazy.

Conservationist wrote:Sneaky thread. And that is why the Alpha Legion is the best, the EC,WE,BL can't handle this amount of tactics.

Then again, why do elves in most fantasy realms appear arrogant?

Because frequently elves are somewhat fairyish, and fairies are arrogan.t

Well I dare say that IoM is pretty much the Imperium Of fails, but event ehy did not create a new chaos god, And well Tau...... is just drooling around, I would love to see a Nid fleet munch those smurfs

Omegus wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:
-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.

Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

Except the Dark Eldar are psychopaths. And they are also close to extinction, as there is even less Dark Eldar then regular Eldar.

Trondheim wrote:Well I dare say that IoM is pretty much the Imperium Of fails, but event ehy did not create a new chaos god, And well Tau...... is just drooling around, I would love to see a Nid fleet munch those smurfs

But...wait...the only group that fails less then the IoM is the Tau(and the tau just dont matter) and the Necrons, Nids get butchered by the Ultramarines like they are children, Abaddon....well he doesnt really need saying, Eldar managed to kill off most of their race, and the biggest Waagh can't even take one planet.

The Necrontyr, fresh faced new explorers at the dawn of the galaxy's birth, finally made their way to the stars and encountered other intelligent life.

Their first thought was "This will have to go."

DarknessEternal wrote:The Necrontyr, fresh faced new explorers at the dawn of the galaxy's birth, finally made their way to the stars and encountered other intelligent life.

Their first thought was "This will have to go."

This really made me LOL. And based on what I know, very true.

forruner_mercy wrote:

Omegus wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:
-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.

Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

Except the Dark Eldar are psychopaths. And they are also close to extinction, as there is even less Dark Eldar then regular Eldar.

Dark Eldar codex 5E disagrees with you

Polvilhovoador wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:

Omegus wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:
-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.

Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

Except the Dark Eldar are psychopaths. And they are also close to extinction, as there is even less Dark Eldar then regular Eldar.

Dark Eldar codex 5E disagrees with you

Probably. I have never read the DE codex. I had always been under the impression that there is not many Eldar left, and even less Dark Eldar left. Could you help me by filling in some details?

forruner_mercy wrote:
Probably. I have never read the DE codex. I had always been under the impression that there is not many Eldar left, and even less Dark Eldar left. Could you help me by filling in some details?

There aren't many Eldar left. There are grillions of Dark Eldar left. Mostly because they're, for all intents and purposes, unkillable. They regenerated one from just his hand.

Really, given the nature of the the opposing factions it's no wonder everyone's so arrogant. Everyone else is going to be a dick and try to kill you anyway, so you might as well be full of yourself, becuase it's not like being nice and humble will improve your relationship with anyone else. It's like HATERS GONNA HATE, except it's more along the lines of HATERS GONNA KILL AND VIOLATE YOU.

Omegus wrote:
You may see partying so hard that it destroys a chunk of the universe as a fail, I see it as an accomplishment (and perhaps the plot of Hangover 3?).

Sigged.

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:And how the eldar would doom a human solar system to save like, one eldar ship

Wouldn't you forefit an Eldar craftworld to save a human ship? I would likely have no problem working with Tau or Eldar (or many other alien races in 40k), but I'd certainly put a generic human life over a generic alien life. Survival of the species and all (nothing to do with arrogance really).

forruner_mercy wrote:
Except the Dark Eldar are psychopaths. And they are also close to extinction, as there is even less Dark Eldar then regular Eldar.

Someone hasn't read the 5th edition codex...

"Commoragh is no mere metropolis, for it is to the largest of Imperial Hives as a soaring mountain is to a mound of termites. Thousands of ships dock each day within its outflung spines, for the Dark Eldar are far more numerous than even their Craftworld kin suspect."

That's just one example. There are lots and lots and lots of Dark Eldar. The "almost extinct psychopathic raiders" fluff has been ret-conned. The Dark Eldar are now a flourishing society of Space Vampires.

Well, flourishing society of psychopath space vampires, at least. They are in the very firm grips of metaphorical Khaine, fully exposed to the darkness that exist within every Eldar soul.

no one said it was a healthy society

The Dark Eldar won't go extinct unless there is a breech in the Webway and Deamons come pouring into their city. then they are royally

Grey Templar wrote:no one said it was a healthy society

The Dark Eldar won't go extinct unless there is a breech in the Webway and Deamons come pouring into their city. then they are royally

Which might happen if Ward writes a future codex for them or the Daemons.

EDIT: For spelling.

Omegus wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:
Except the Dark Eldar are psychopaths. And they are also close to extinction, as there is even less Dark Eldar then regular Eldar.

Someone hasn't read the 5th edition codex...

"Commoragh is no mere metropolis, for it is to the largest of Imperial Hives as a soaring mountain is to a mound of termites. Thousands of ships dock each day within its outflung spines, for the Dark Eldar are far more numerous than even their Craftworld kin suspect."

That's just one example. There are lots and lots and lots of Dark Eldar. The "almost extinct psychopathic raiders" fluff has been ret-conned. The Dark Eldar are now a flourishing society of Space Vampires.

That explains why they insist on paper airplanes for armor. Speed and killiness beat survival everytime. Now I am starting to view the DE as the equivalent of el-Quaida. No remorse, no worries about casualties. Just terror and mayhem.

DAaddict wrote:
That explains why they insist on paper airplanes for armor. Speed and killiness beat survival everytime. Now I am starting to view the DE as the equivalent of el-Quaida. No remorse, no worries about casualties. Just terror and mayhem.

They have no worry about casualties because they can be regenerated from nearly any wound, even such things as only a recovered body part.

DarknessEternal wrote:

DAaddict wrote:
That explains why they insist on paper airplanes for armor. Speed and killiness beat survival everytime. Now I am starting to view the DE as the equivalent of el-Quaida. No remorse, no worries about casualties. Just terror and mayhem.

They have no worry about casualties because they can be regenerated from nearly any wound, even such things as only a recovered body part.

Impressive.

Eldar Own wrote:...Or one eldar.

As the eldar ambassador to the human race, I would like to argue the Eldar's case. Bascially the Eldar believe that they are, by far, the most sophisticated and technologically advanced race in the 40K universe. And to be fair to them, they are. So it's naturally that they view all other races as vastly inferior.

The Necrons would probably disagree with that assessment, what with possessing superior technology, and having already rendered the Eldar cattle once before.

DarknessEternal wrote:The Necrontyr, fresh faced new explorers at the dawn of the galaxy's birth, finally made their way to the stars and encountered other intelligent life.

Their first thought was "This will have to go."

Hahahaha, nice.

I am surprised no one has mentioned the C'tan, who think that basically making the galaxy into their fast-food restaurant is perfectly acceptable. But then, when you're a C'tan who can tell physics to sit down and shut up, incapable of truly dying, and capable of making entire solar systems disappear, perhaps a little arrogance is justified.

The Eldar are arrogant, yeah, but so is the Imperium. The Tau are less arrogant, but really, Dark Eldar are so arrogant it's stupid. Their unwarranted self-importance is particularly notable in the setting, being only capable of launching pirate fleets, mostly against defenseless populations. There are some who are legitimately brilliant, like Vect, or Lady Malys, but most are smug, and without any real justification for it.

Void__Dragon wrote:Dark Eldar are so arrogant it's stupid. Their unwarranted self-importance is particularly notable in the setting, being only capable of launching pirate fleets, mostly against defenseless populations.

They're more than capable of exceeding that, they just don't care to. They're home is unassailable. They only need to come out for slave raids, so that's all they come out for.

Tau are just as arrogant as any other race, for mostly the same reason. They believe their way of life is the only good way of living.

Nicholas wrote:Tau are just as arrogant as any other race, for mostly the same reason. They believe their way of life is the only good way of living.

Yep. Their whole "Greater Good" thing.

forruner_mercy wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

DAaddict wrote:
That explains why they insist on paper airplanes for armor. Speed and killiness beat survival everytime. Now I am starting to view the DE as the equivalent of el-Quaida. No remorse, no worries about casualties. Just terror and mayhem.

They have no worry about casualties because they can be regenerated from nearly any wound, even such things as only a recovered body part.

Impressive.

you have to be wealthy to get such treatment from a Homunculus. only the affluent or those who have the Homie in their debt will get regenerated like this.

others will die indeed.

Arrogance is earned when you butcher your foes, and they all can do it with gusto!

DarknessEternal wrote:They're more than capable of exceeding that, they just don't care to. They're home is unassailable. They only need to come out for slave raids, so that's all they come out for.

Not really.

For one thing, one of the main strengths of the Dark Eldar is their ability to regenerate from body parts after death. Prolonged war denies this advantage, because battles can rage for days, wars can range for years at a time in 40k, and the dead Dark Eldar needs to have a piece of their body taken to the Haemonculus within about a day of their death. So in all-out war, they would lose that advantage.

And beyond that, it is largely the wealthy and renowned Dark Eldar who get that asset, so not all can regen.

Then of course, numbers. While probably outnumbering the Tau and the Eldar, every other faction outnumbers them considerably, and in cases like Necrons, that is a bad thing when elf-to-bot, Necrons are generally superior.

Oh, and their wargear is not suited for all out war, it is suited for pirate raids, in that it is light, but paper thin, so that they can strike, pick up slaves, then leave. They are basically an army focused entirely on short skirmishes.

But whatever.

and they don't really want to take territory.

they just want slaves and booty to fuel their society and way of life. they are completely focused on staving off Slannesh and the system has worked for a long time. its not going to be changed.