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shoggoth wrote:
Reason for this question was because from what iv read here and other sites, that GWS have been getting bad rep for how they have been running their company (price increases, lack of codex updates, lack of interest in the competitive scene so forth)

Don't listen to the vocal minority.


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coolyo294 wrote:I buy 40k stuff because I love all the aspects 40k.

Me too.

Achaylus72 wrote:I have found something that i am truelly very good at.

dude your army sounds amazing, i would love to see it.

and its great to hear you found something your good at, im still looking myself.

I buy them cause:

A) I play 40k and WHFB
B) the warm fuzzy feeling of painting a great looking model
c) Love the complexity of the games
d) the models and just so Awesome

I got guilted by the guy at my flgs...

Chuck Norris wrote:I got guilted by the guy at my flgs...

hahaha but are you happy with them?

I wish I had some insightful sagely comment here, but all I can do is echo the comments above. I buy GW because I like the models and I like the IP. The war-gaming hobby gives me an opportunity to be creative and hang out with my friends. Sure, there are alternatives, but I think that GW makes the best products in general right now. Like many people though, I've been using more and more 3rd party parts and bits lately. In addition, I like my FLGS and support them every chance I get.

I like the fluff a lot it supports the gaming expirience.

other systems are have to small a following. 40k you can travel and find followers and pick up a game.

I only buy RPG books and the occasional novel myself. I really enjoyed Soul Hunter and Blood Reaver.

I honestly haven't bought any tabletop or codex yet but if I do pay full price for anything it will be for the Codex or flufftastic Book series, Models I will buy from other players when I finally get around to it (Chaos units seem to always be available on Ebay)

I buy because i must have some kinda problem, this price hike made me pretty upset, but i still buy. I guess thats what gw thrives off of. If i could change anything- i'd obviously change the prices but beyond that i wouldn't change much.
I really like this hobby as well as the community. if you play halo reach online, or any other game you realize the community sucks. but everyone who plays 40k is really nice, and that alone makes me buy 40k products.

I am a noob in warhammer games. But I have been gamer for years. Finally I realized that I got tired of virtual crap. That is why I started warhammer and will play it. It is a much better investment. My friends tell me its too expensive and all I do is point at their dusty stacks of games that lay around as dead weight. As for prices, I wish they would be lower. But I am glad that I get great minis and great community.

madjelly wrote:I am a noob in warhammer games. But I have been gamer for years. Finally I realized that I got tired of virtual crap. That is why I started warhammer and will play it. It is a much better investment. My friends tell me its too expensive and all I do is point at their dusty stacks of games that lay around as dead weight. As for prices, I wish they would be lower. But I am glad that I get great minis and great community.

Dawn of War isn't too bad, if you ever want to combine the two.

Because what ever you think about GW it is still a company that employees people with benefits and this should be supported. When you are unemployed and /or cannot find a job think about what led to this......

Proxy figures is not 40k. Sure its great to decide if you want to purchase something before you spend the money but does nothing for me after that.

Because 99.9 percent of the people you see complaining on the internet have no idea what its like to run a successful large business. Yet their internet ego makes them feel like they are Bill Gates.

sabote wrote:Because what ever you think about GW it is still a company that employees people with benefits and this should be supported. When you are unemployed and /or cannot find a job think about what led to this......

Proxy figures is not 40k. Sure its great to decide if you want to purchase something before you spend the money but does nothing for me after that.

Because 99.9 percent of the people you see complaining on the internet have no idea what its like to run a successful large business. Yet their internet ego makes them feel like they are Bill Gates.

So you think any company should be supported merely for existing? This isn't a very strong argument you've laid out. Just because a company employs people, you should buy their product? If a company performs poorly, it will fail, if it performs well, it will prosper. If a lot of people get disgruntled with the goods or service a company is providing they should take their money elsewhere. It's not a charity. I've been unemployed for long stretches and I've also been at the sharp end of large companies that are failing, and I still don't subscribe to this idea. Furthermore, I was working for GW when they were losing money quite badly some years ago, and as a consequence of cuts to staffing I was made redundant. I am literally the hypothetical person you are talking about, and I still don't agree with that argument.

Mekis wrote:Dawn of War isn't too bad, if you ever want to combine the two.

Thats what got me interested in finding out about the WH40K wargame.

madjelly wrote:

Mekis wrote:Dawn of War isn't too bad, if you ever want to combine the two.

Thats what got me interested in finding out about the WH40K wargame.

i prefered dawn of war, but it was dawn of war 2 that got me back into 40k

DarknessEternal wrote:Don't listen to the vocal minority.

Why do people keep saying this? Have you seen statistics we haven't, or are you justifying your position internally?

I don't buy anymore. I put the brakes on after I saw the utter contempt of a price rise combined with a quality decline. I think the "vocal minority" would have cut GW more slack if they went with one or the other, but not both. I finished my SW army purchasing before the rise went into effect, and haven't bought a thing since. I even buy Vallejo paints now.

Along with my no longer dropping a few thousand a year on GW, I also canceled my plans of buying a fantasy Skaven army this year, and starting an Ork 40K army next year. So there's probably like $2000 next year that was GW's money to lose from me that they now won't get. I may be part of a "vocal minority" but I think if there's as many people like me as I suspect, they are in for some trouble.

To answer the OP's question, I'd cut the price rises. It's gotten absolutely insane. And there's not even internal logic to it, when you look at the varying amounts of plastic in kits and their corresponding price. It's just flat-out greed and they are pricing themselves out of business.

Couple of reasons: I stay in the hobby because I really, really like making Tyranid conversions, and I occasionally buy new stuff because there's either a gap in the bitz box I filled with a massive order I made on staff discount ten years ago, or there's a really, really nice kit that I really want to do stuff with. Killa Kanz were my last buy - for my Geneseela Kult.

From what i have seen on a "street" level the vocal minority isn't the upcoming issue, its the silent majority i have seen moving on or quietly leaving the hobby, this is, and will continue to be the thing that ends GW, we the vocal minority, actually care about GW and how it behaves, when we all go silent... its over.

OP. I continue due to the fluff and the challenge of getting better at painting (im at eavy'metal standard atm) and want to improve, this means buying models

I don't right now because I can only afford to play one army and I chose Tau. My army list hasn't changed too much since 5th started, therefore no need to buy models.

Talk to me when I'm bankrupt after the new Tau Codex comes out.

I don't have a problem with the prices. I have a problem with my crappy job.

Don't have a problem with how long it takes to update armies, since they also have other games to work on ( and Matt Ward and Goto better stay FAR AWAY from the Tau Codex. I don't even want them thinking the word Tau until six months after the Codex is out.)

htj wrote:

sabote wrote:Because what ever you think about GW it is still a company that employees people with benefits and this should be supported. When you are unemployed and /or cannot find a job think about what led to this......

Proxy figures is not 40k. Sure its great to decide if you want to purchase something before you spend the money but does nothing for me after that.

Because 99.9 percent of the people you see complaining on the internet have no idea what its like to run a successful large business. Yet their internet ego makes them feel like they are Bill Gates.

So you think any company should be supported merely for existing? This isn't a very strong argument you've laid out. Just because a company employs people, you should buy their product? If a company performs poorly, it will fail, if it performs well, it will prosper. If a lot of people get disgruntled with the goods or service a company is providing they should take their money elsewhere. It's not a charity. I've been unemployed for long stretches and I've also been at the sharp end of large companies that are failing, and I still don't subscribe to this idea. Furthermore, I was working for GW when they were losing money quite badly some years ago, and as a consequence of cuts to staffing I was made redundant. I am literally the hypothetical person you are talking about, and I still don't agree with that argument.

If you like the game yes. If you dont like the game than go find something else. Considering you live in a country that is based largely on socialized systems I would think you would appreciate the idea of paying for entitlement. We could spend a long time talking about what makes companies fail, however seeing your views you are correct. You are the person willing to see something fail rather than try and support. Hey if there is no 40k in the future than you will always have your playstation!!!

Achaylus72 wrote:I want to finish off my massive Chaos Army, i have at the mo' 17,500 points of Chaos.

I am building a Chapter of about 35,000 to 40,000 points, i have so far partially built 5 companies.

If i were to come into some money i will expand this to 13 companies.

As for why i still by GW, because i don't smoke, take drugs, have any family what so evet and i'll never will have any family, i rarely drink, rarely go out and so i spend my money of Plastic Crack.

I have found something that i am truelly very good at.

How much of that is painted?

I'm not sure if "spending money on plastic crack" is something you can be good or bad at.

And "never will have any family"? Maudlin much?

sabote wrote:If you like the game yes. If you dont like the game than go find something else. Considering you live in a country that is based largely on socialized systems I would think you would appreciate the idea of paying for entitlement. We could spend a long time talking about what makes companies fail, however seeing your views you are correct. You are the person willing to see something fail rather than try and support. Hey if there is no 40k in the future than you will always have your playstation!!!

Bad companies failing is a hallmark of capitalism. At least here in America, people were pretty upset when our government bailed out failed corporations. That's because in a capitalistic society, you punish bad companies and reward good ones with your dollars. Throwing money at a company that shows you utter contempt as a customer is a bad strategy no matter how much you like some stories they released.

I would love to support GW more. Unfortunately the trend for companies to outsource production to low wage or slave economies (for instance a certain Nottingham-based company having its printing done in China) has seen my disposable income fall and fall some more.

sabote wrote:If you like the game yes. If you dont like the game than go find something else.

Well, yes, that's what many people are doing.

Considering you live in a country that is based largely on socialized systems I would think you would appreciate the idea of paying for entitlement.

I'm sorry? Entitlement to what exactly? I pay taxes for governmental institutions and I am protected by them. This I understand. Paying a self imposed tax to keep a company afloat that has ceased to provide me with the luxury goods I wanted in a manner I find worthwhile strikes me as a bizarre approach.

We could spend a long time talking about what makes companies fail, however seeing your views you are correct. You are the person willing to see something fail rather than try and support.

Once again, why am I supporting them? They're not a charity. My money will go elsewhere, to smaller companies who need it more perhaps. The realities of business means that if you fail to please your market, your company will fail. Why should I be obliged to keep giving money to a company merely because I have given money to them before? I won't keep buying from them if the cease to provide a quality product. It's a simple stance. I'm not emotionally invested in a public limited corporation, much as they are not emotionally invested in me.

Hey if there is no 40k in the future than you will always have your playstation!!!

I will always have 40K, in fact. I still have all the rulebooks for 4th and 5th edition, and enough of 2nd to keep me playing that. I have several complete armies. I've been buying from GW for well over a decade, they've been doing well by me. If they slip now, well, such is life. However, if GW did fold completely, 40K would not vanish into thin air. I play with my friends, we will still have our models, our rules, and everything we need. We'd just not be buying any more for that particular game, when we might have done had the company performed a bit better.

Brother Gyoken wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Don't listen to the vocal minority.

Why do people keep saying this? Have you seen statistics we haven't, or are you justifying your position internally?

There's about 12-15 posters on all of Dakka that contribute to 90% of the "GW is terrible" posts.

I buy 40k products because I'm still building up my Blood Angels army and I love the game/products. Now I won't say that it doesn't bug me when GW goes about not caring about the players, but the thing is that GW isn't the game. I can hate GW and still love the game. A lot of people don't seem to understand that. 40k is a great game in all regards. Is it perfect? I wouldn't say so, but it is definitely fun. This isn't to say I wish GW didn't do things right, but at the end of the day if I don't want to support GW I can just buy models from the Dakka Swap Shop or from ebay instead of from FLGS.

Also the internet is a very small minority of the people who play any given game. At my FLGS almost no one actually frequents any 40k sites. They usually avoid them. The only other person who goes on here besides myself is my friend who got me into the game in the first place. I would look at your FLGS to see what people are saying about the game and make a better opinion based on what they say if you care to see what the majority opinion is.

I have found that even when there isn't a problem with something the internet will still bash it simply because it has one fault. I am not saying that GW isn't at fault for what they do, but I will say that people on the internet love exploding things out of proportion on just about every topic. Ever since I've gotten into the game I've seen people post on here about how bad of a writer Matt Ward is and while I won't say he's great I won't say that his writing is a pile of junk either. Things are exaggerated and it spreads quickly on the net, but in real life most people go on silently about these things or simply do not care.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Brother Gyoken wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:Don't listen to the vocal minority.

Why do people keep saying this? Have you seen statistics we haven't, or are you justifying your position internally?

There's about 12-15 posters on all of Dakka that contribute to 90% of the "GW is terrible" posts.

And there are about three that contribute most of the "GW is peachy-keen" ones.

Personally, I prefer to just look at their financial numbers. From the sales figures, the silent majority is just packing up and leaving without bothering to complain.

Omegus wrote:
Personally, I prefer to just look at their financial numbers.

Then we should be agreeing that they're doing fine.

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/financials/financials.asp?ticker=GAW:LN

Their profits are up because they cannibalized their brick and mortar operation, increased prices, and the british pound has enjoyed an ever more favorable exchange rate. Their actual sales figures have been steadily slipping since 2004. Read the full financial reports, not the summary.