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I believe it's called a Woofh-Field.

I'm going to stab out my eyes if that's true! The Ultramarines movie was bad enough and the script was horrible! What a piece of junk it was, there's better CGI in the late 90's that what they did. It looked like a bunch of high school animation... seriously. They had better do a better job if it's true.

iproxtaco wrote:Star Wars the Clone Wars five minute shorts. I've said it before, I'll say it again, this would be the ideal medium to bring people into 40k. Just a few minutes of epic battles, in would be glorious.

I would kill to have Genndy Tartakovsky do a couple of 40k shorts.

I would love to see either Animatrix-style shorts describing some epic battle, or else a Guard-oriented movie with only minor appearances by other factions (Chaos and Loyalist Marines, Inqisition, Titans, Navy). Inject more humanity and actual drama into the story, and relegate the exceptionally powerful/rare players in the galaxy to brief but impressive roles.

Ultramarines was gag-inducing and made the marines seem wooden and slowed, not to mention making the Chaos marines look pathetic and weak. If you want to make the Space Marines look epic, show them briefly from the perspective of desperate Imperial Guardsmen. Make the bulk of the movie a dark, gritty palette over which any Loyalist marines super-human actions will actually seem impressive.

Also, I actually liked Prospero Burns, but mostly because it was definitely a middle-finger to the ridiculous Space Wolves fluff. Instead of writing the obvious and expected Wolfy McWolferson and his Wolves^3 wolfing out on the Thousand Sons, he went back to the origins of the legion.

The book is hard to read because it relies a lot on archaic language, especially sentence structure, and appropriately so. It doesn't have much action but it does give a deeper look at what the Space Wolves should really be like, rather than the ridiculous caricatures in their codex. I think Prospero Burns is one of the better Horus Heresy books specifically because it avoids as many ridiculous 40k tropes as it can.

/threadjack over

I'd like to see a mix. A bigger battle with Guard and Marines fighting orks or nids. It'd be epic!

If Ultramarines is an example GW wants to follow I'd rather have Lelith on Taldeer animated action at this point.

I think the 40k franchise should concentrate on video games where it can better paint the universe with ease. Dawn of War has shown that medium can be very effective, and Space Marine should kick it up a notch.

An adventure game based on the Inquisition would be awesome

IG v. Orks IMO, maybe the battle of Armageddon between Yarrik and Ghazghkull

I think one of the problems with using Space Marines in a movie is that it makes it difficult to show the threat level of the enemies they fight. Space Marines are big, and tend to fight similarly large enemies (unless you break out a bunch of MC tyranids). Without a good frame of reference you don't get an idea of big and powerful a Space Marine is (seriously, in Ultramarines, all you saw were Astartes, they never brought home the fact that these guys are eight feet tall). A bunch of puny human IG fighting a wave of orks/tyranids/CSM is much more visually striking because you know the guard are regular humans, so their fragility and the size and power of the xenos really comes through.

A Ordo Xenos team with some Deathwatch along would allow them to show off the size and power of a Space Marine.

Could GW give Obsidion some cash to have them hack together an Inquisitor stranded on a backwater small mining colony planet scenario using the Fallout 3 engine? Ordo Hereticus dude comes in for routine investigation, shuttle gets knocked out of air so rest of the team is dead and the Inquisitor needs to sort things out from there. Heck, Fallout: New Vegas already has grenade rifles, plasma and las weapons, chainswords and powerfists, and even power armor.

I would like to see a Full Metal Jacket-esque Guard movie.

Skycrawler wrote:I would like to see a Full Metal Jacket-esque Guard movie.

so catachans ?

Yeah. Them or Valhallans.

id love a valhalan or voystron film with russian language and english subs

I'd love a Guard movie in the vien of Black Hawk Down, albeit on a larger scale. With Brad Pitt involved in a 10 minute torture sequence where his annoying fething eyes are shoved up his own ass by Lelith Hesperax. Irritating little crap.

Anything but space wolves. Less dimension than even the smurfs, IMHO. I agree with Skycrawler, FMA-esque Imperial guard movie, possibly against orks, possibly not.

Wolves are apparently better than all the other marines. At everything. Ever. I don't like this.

God only knows how opinions can spark hate.

If it aint 18+ Cert. then it aint Space Wolves.

TrollPie wrote:I'd love a Guard movie in the vien of Black Hawk Down, albeit on a larger scale. With Brad Pitt involved in a 10 minute torture sequence where his annoying fething eyes are shoved up his own ass by Lelith Hesperax. Irritating little crap.

Except with your average guard unit it'd be less 'leave no man behind' and more 'use them to lure the enemy in and then bust out the earthshaker rounds'.

Avatar 720 wrote:If it aint 18+ Cert. then it aint Space Wolves.

this should apply to all forces, CGI or not, when your hit with a chainsword, there will be blood

daveNYC wrote:

TrollPie wrote:I'd love a Guard movie in the vien of Black Hawk Down, albeit on a larger scale. With Brad Pitt involved in a 10 minute torture sequence where his annoying fething eyes are shoved up his own ass by Lelith Hesperax. Irritating little crap.

Except with your average guard unit it'd be less 'leave no man behind' and more 'use them to lure the enemy in and then bust out the earthshaker rounds'.

Not every commander is Chenkov you know.

Trollpie ahs a point, Chenkov is famous for sending 10 million gaurdsmen to their deaths instead of using heavy armor, some commanders actually care for their troops, Slado, Oktar, Gaunt, bastonne, alraheim

iproxtaco wrote:No thanks. Twilight fans already have their movie wish fulfilled.

Utterly one-dimensional. How about a chapter that has a flaw? Like the Blood Angels, or Flesh Tearers, a Chapter that a wider audience would enjoy, if they want loyalist Space Marines. Night Lords for traitors. Or, how about a movie that follows a book? Soul Hunter anyone? Or an Imperial Guard movie, with properly handled humans mixed in with Space Marines in hopeless battle against the Orkz?

Oh, because space marines who mutate into werewolves and have distended jaws and fangs aren't flawed? And you were complaining about one-dimensional, and then mentioned guard fighting orks -_- then most common, predictable type of battle in the 41st millenium. `orks come, guard holds out for backup`

It HAS to be sm vs. Xenos, it HAS to be a loyalist chapter (so they can yell FOR THE EMPRAH) and it is definitely going to be either first founding or second founding marines.

I hope it has a bigger budget than the last one, since the last one was short, predictable and with fairly poor animation (all the motions looked choppy)

I am afraid that an IG movie would turn out too much like a WWII movie with futuristic weapons. Wolves would be better thans smurfs...I don't like smurfs at all. How about a BT crusade...Ophidium Gulf to throw in some DA and heretics? Basis is already there and they don't have to make up the general storyline or they could answer where it is...

Akroma06 wrote: How about a BT crusade...

This is a great idea
Just give them some Tau, Tyranids, Necrons and Eldar and they are all set

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:No thanks. Twilight fans already have their movie wish fulfilled.

Utterly one-dimensional. How about a chapter that has a flaw? Like the Blood Angels, or Flesh Tearers, a Chapter that a wider audience would enjoy, if they want loyalist Space Marines. Night Lords for traitors. Or, how about a movie that follows a book? Soul Hunter anyone? Or an Imperial Guard movie, with properly handled humans mixed in with Space Marines in hopeless battle against the Orkz?

Oh, because space marines who mutate into werewolves and have distended jaws and fangs aren't flawed? And you were complaining about one-dimensional, and then mentioned guard fighting orks -_- then most common, predictable type of battle in the 41st millenium. `orks come, guard holds out for backup`

It HAS to be sm vs. Xenos, it HAS to be a loyalist chapter (so they can yell FOR THE EMPRAH) and it is definitely going to be either first founding or second founding marines.

I hope it has a bigger budget than the last one, since the last one was short, predictable and with fairly poor animation (all the motions looked choppy)

Except SM don't show the universe off very well. When you have 10 super men, massacring thousands of Xenos each while jumping around screaming, it doesn't scream grimdark. Millions of Guardsmen fighting a hopeless war, losing thousands of their own men and being insignificant in the grand scheme of things-no matter how much the audience likes the characters-shows 40k for what it is: a dystopic hellhole where life is cheap. Space Marines don't show that. Space Marine Werewolves with silly names are even worse.
A story where the audience can relate to and care about the main characters makes a good film a great film. A story where things go boom, blood apears and ass gets kicked is good for a few laughs, but won't have any lasting appeal unless there's something more.

im2randomghgh wrote:Oh, because space marines who mutate into werewolves and have distended jaws and fangs aren't flawed?

Actually, whilst certainly considered a flaw in the setting itself (by non-Wolves at least), it does strike me as being the exact opposite for the community. And a "defect" that has this effect isn't a flaw but an alibi.

It's a bit like the "vampire curse" in Twilight which is supposedly oh-so-dramatic but only ends up getting little girls cry tears over how "cool" the main character is.

For something to be a flaw, it has to be portrayed and understood as such. When the Inquisition would actually make a move against the Wolves because of this mutation, then it'd be a flaw. If the Wolves would regularly end up eating innocent civilians due to werewolf instincts, then it'd be a flaw. What do we get instead? Space bikers that get to hang around with chicks, have ale for blood and are apparently the most awesome force of the Imperium. That's actually my biggest gripe with their style: their "flaw" ends up negating the one true (narrative) flaw of what it means to be a Space Marine - the indoctrination and single-purpose monastic existence of a supersoldier bred only for doing one thing: fighting the enemy of the state. The SW are completely robbed of this grimdark aspect. But that's why their fans love them, I suppose. For some they are different, for others they are special snowflakes. It's just a matter of preferences ("how grimdark do you like your 40k") that defines on which corner one is standing regarding this question.

At the very core, the idea of a viking Chapter is quite cool. But they just had to go over the top with them.

Apologies, the above isn't supposed to turn the topic into a rant-thread, but I felt like this had to be mentioned to explain the different perceptions that exist regarding this army, or rather their (personally) presumed origins. :I

I just don't see a 40k movie based around anything but marines being successful.

Deathwatch would be compared to Alien.
IG would be compared to Starship Troopers or Private Ryan.
Xenos the audience just won't relate.

Tell the Horus Heresy tale or test the waters with a mindless action movie with a couple big names. But it has to be Marines. And it will likely have to be against Chaos or Orks.

Nvs wrote:I just don't see a 40k movie based around anything but marines being successful.

Deathwatch would be compared to Alien.
IG would be compared to Starship Troopers or Private Ryan.
Xenos the audience just won't relate.

Tell the Horus Heresy tale or test the waters with a mindless action movie with a couple big names. But it has to be Marines. And it will likely have to be against Chaos or Orks.

Everything will be compared to everything. Hell, Space Marines will be compared with starship troops just as much as IG will, moreso if you look at the book. Marines would just be generic action movie, but with big armor.

daveNYC wrote:Given the quality of the Ultramarines movie, I'd rather they just show a loop of the original DoW intro movie thrty times and burn that to a DVD. Short rendering distance, very limited number of characters on screen, and a plot that relied on the main characters having a room temperature IQ.

On a slightly less cynical note, they might do better if they made a collection of shorts, Anamatrix style, instead of doing one 60+ minute movie. Say two or three ten to fifteen minute stories for each of the Battles for Armageddon.
Por ejemplo:
I
1. First contact between daemon/WE and PDF units. Angron reveal at the end.
2. Battle a hive city, skulls for the skull throne, space marine drop at end to hold the line.
3. GK and crew against Angron.
II
1. Titans going out piecemeal against the horde.
2. Straubb's virus bombs, last second SM drop to save the day.
3. Yarrick holding the line, Orks being driven off planet.
III
1. Return of Yarrick. Orbital battle, Roks dropping. Hades flattened.
2. Submersible assaults, Straubb returns.
3. Eh, some more battles, maybe show Salamanders guarding refugees? Or was that the second war.

OK, so the plan gets vague for the second two wars, but the general point is that you tell shorter stories around the common setting of the wars on Armageddon. Gives you some sense of connection to the history (recentish) of the Imperium, lets you cover a number of major characters across multiple factions, and as a bonus, you get to reuse a lot of the backgrounds.

I like this.

TrollPie wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:No thanks. Twilight fans already have their movie wish fulfilled.

Utterly one-dimensional. How about a chapter that has a flaw? Like the Blood Angels, or Flesh Tearers, a Chapter that a wider audience would enjoy, if they want loyalist Space Marines. Night Lords for traitors. Or, how about a movie that follows a book? Soul Hunter anyone? Or an Imperial Guard movie, with properly handled humans mixed in with Space Marines in hopeless battle against the Orkz?

Oh, because space marines who mutate into werewolves and have distended jaws and fangs aren't flawed? And you were complaining about one-dimensional, and then mentioned guard fighting orks -_- then most common, predictable type of battle in the 41st millenium. `orks come, guard holds out for backup`

It HAS to be sm vs. Xenos, it HAS to be a loyalist chapter (so they can yell FOR THE EMPRAH) and it is definitely going to be either first founding or second founding marines.

I hope it has a bigger budget than the last one, since the last one was short, predictable and with fairly poor animation (all the motions looked choppy)

Except SM don't show the universe off very well. When you have 10 super men, massacring thousands of Xenos each while jumping around screaming, it doesn't scream grimdark. Millions of Guardsmen fighting a hopeless war, losing thousands of their own men and being insignificant in the grand scheme of things-no matter how much the audience likes the characters-shows 40k for what it is: a dystopic hellhole where life is cheap. Space Marines don't show that. Space Marine Werewolves with silly names are even worse.
A story where the audience can relate to and care about the main characters makes a good film a great film. A story where things go boom, blood apears and ass gets kicked is good for a few laughs, but won't have any lasting appeal unless there's something more.

I said "HAS to sm" because GW absolutely refuses to show anything else. And it shows grimdark pretty well because they are fierce and disciplined and ALWAYS outnumbered. Because really, how lame would a battle where SMs outnumber everything be?

Also, saying their names are silly is racist, because they (for the most part) have legitimate nordic names. "Bjorn, what a silly name, because there are only THOUSANDS of people in the world with that name, and I don't know any of them"


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Also, they should probably be adapting some of their books into movies instead of coming up with see-through plots.

I really wonder how many times the voice actor had to go through the recording of the opening for that Ultramarines movie and not blow it with "who writes this crap..."
"the space marines and the best of these is the Ultramarines... who writes this pap... thats the best name they could come up with... CUT! ok cue it up for take 75...."

If someone makes another 40k movie I would hope it would involve unit names that would be taken seriously by outsiders and not garner an instant eye roll.

Also touching on the comments earlier in this thread...