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our history and by that point Khorne wass there already.he may not be the oldest but iss the strongest because he has had 40000 years of bloodshed,but theGC and HH alone were equivilent to 10000 years each,in terms of killing more peoples

LumenPraebeo wrote:The last time they banded together was during the Heresy, they did so because they were afraid. It would take something equal to the Emperor to cause the Chaos Gods to unite again.

(and the Emperor has no equal)

The four gods have banded together a few times, and the Emperor's power is overrated.

Deadshot wrote:orks unwillingly worship him too.every killing is an offering to khorne.the bloodier and more pointlessly violent the better.

No, they don't.

Gork and Mork are the gods the Orkz worship, they fuel them, not Khorne.

Khorne is nothing to Gork and Mork.

here the fluff rules for khorne

every timer you kill someone,he gets stronger.if its mindless and just done for fun,he gets even stronger.what greenskinned race does that. you don't get a choice.doesnt matter who you kill for,you ultimately make him stronger.

Deadshot wrote:here the fluff rules for khorne

every timer you kill someone,he gets stronger.if its mindless and just done for fun,he gets even stronger.what greenskinned race does that. you don't get a choice.doesnt matter who you kill for,you ultimately make him stronger.

And yet he is still weaker than either Gork or Mork.

Peculiar.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Deadshot wrote:here the fluff rules for khorne

every timer you kill someone,he gets stronger.if its mindless and just done for fun,he gets even stronger.what greenskinned race does that. you don't get a choice.doesnt matter who you kill for,you ultimately make him stronger.

And yet he is still weaker than either Gork or Mork.

Peculiar.

very. I find it interesting that three gods are fueled by very similar things.

not really.Gork and Mork are fueled with the desire to fight by greenskins.Khorne is fueled by the bloodshed the fighting heralds.a fist fight with no broken skin does him no good.and it hasn't been proven that any god is stronger because they have never been seen

It is directly stated in the 4e codex that Gork and Mork shrug off the attacks of the other gods with a laugh.

well, they haven't been seen, but there is a way to check how powerful a god is, at least a chaos god. The size of their domain. Currently, Khorne's is the largest, then Tzeentch, then nurgle in a very close third, then slaanesh. Also, nurgle's power waxes and wanes more than the others, so him and Tzeentch trade spots frequently.
@ void dragon:
I stand corrected.
wait- so the ork's desire to kill is actually MORE than they actually kill? So, either they don't kill much, or they really, REALLY wanna kill stuff. I vote the latter.
void dragon, I enjoy these discussions. *tips his hat* this is all friendly, no offence intended. I just like to argue.

Odd, considering the 4e codex directly state that the powers of all the Chaos Gods vary at any given time, occasionally one god growing powerful enough to warrant an alliance of the other three.

I still have not actually been pointed to where it directly states Khorne is the strongest, and Slaanesh the weakest.

And hell, even if Khorne is the strongest, Tzeentch is by far more successful.

thats because you have to serve Tzeentch because evn existing is changing something and not existing is change too.

Void__Dragon wrote:Odd, considering the 4e codex directly state that the powers of all the Chaos Gods vary at any given time, occasionally one god growing powerful enough to warrant an alliance of the other three.

I still have not actually been pointed to where it directly states Khorne is the strongest, and Slaanesh the weakest.

And hell, even if Khorne is the strongest, Tzeentch is by far more successful.

Amen to THAT, eternal glory to Tzeentch! and yes, they do vary, the rankings are just how it is now.

Here's my argument to the whole Khorne-Gork-Mork thing. Normally, I would agree that the pointless deaths inflicted by the greenskins would empower Khorne. Certainly the ones inflicted by the Dark Eldar do. Likewise any other individual or group that kills for no real reason, even if they don't worship Chaos.

However, every ork believes that their actions benefit Gork and Mork rather than Khorne. I do not think their senseless violence empowers Big Red, because the orks believe that it doesn't. The combined collective psykic power of their race is enough to deny him those souls.

That's just my opinion, of course.

and its valid.but why can't it be both.G+M because orks sday so,KJhorne because hes Khorne

Jimsolo wrote:Here's my argument to the whole Khorne-Gork-Mork thing. Normally, I would agree that the pointless deaths inflicted by the greenskins would empower Khorne. Certainly the ones inflicted by the Dark Eldar do. Likewise any other individual or group that kills for no real reason, even if they don't worship Chaos.

However, every ork believes that their actions benefit Gork and Mork rather than Khorne. I do not think their senseless violence empowers Big Red, because the orks believe that it doesn't. The combined collective psykic power of their race is enough to deny him those souls.

That's just my opinion, of course.

This actually makes a lot of sense.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Jimsolo wrote:Here's my argument to the whole Khorne-Gork-Mork thing. Normally, I would agree that the pointless deaths inflicted by the greenskins would empower Khorne. Certainly the ones inflicted by the Dark Eldar do. Likewise any other individual or group that kills for no real reason, even if they don't worship Chaos.

However, every ork believes that their actions benefit Gork and Mork rather than Khorne. I do not think their senseless violence empowers Big Red, because the orks believe that it doesn't. The combined collective psykic power of their race is enough to deny him those souls.

That's just my opinion, of course.

This actually makes a lot of sense.

ditto.

Iranna wrote:

Psienesis wrote:There are several Xeno species who were destroyed, or all but destroyed, not by the Imperium, but because they became tainted by Chaos.

I only know this to be true in the case of the Eldar and that was solely because they were so sensitive to the warp and "Shone" brightly in it.

Humans on the other hand did not start manifesting psykers and astropaths etc. until much later in their species' history and so where almost immune to chaos in that respect until that happened.

Iranna.

There's at least a few other examples throughout the fluff. There's the Laer, for example, which set Fulgrim on the path to Chaos. The Slaruthi that Eisenhorn encountered. I'm
sure there are more.

Void__Dragon wrote:It is directly stated in the 4e codex that Gork and Mork shrug off the attacks of the other gods with a laugh.

It says that they laugh off "the attacks of other gods," but it doesn't specify the chaos gods, and it only says that they are powerful--not that they're the most powerful.

Psienesis wrote:

More blood was shed between 1066ish tme and 1600s than any other period in history

Excepting maybe the Great Crusade where entire star-systems burned and their billions upon billions of inhabitants killed by chainsword, bolter and orbital bombardment...

Except Khorne was already alive, so he just got fed. Can't birth a new Chaos god when one is already sucking in all the bloodshed.

Also I thought Khorne was the oldest.

khorne is the oldest im 99.9 percent sure

khorne or nurgle, I'm thinking Nurgle is older. Khorne doesn't benefit from killing by non-sentients, other than his daemons. Nurgle just thrives off of disease, decay and entropy, which has been around since before there was sentience. Though, while he may have been growing, he probably didn't become self-aware until some huge plague came along, probably not the black death or even the diseases that annihilated the native americans, I'm sure the eldar had some nasty plagues before the humans had even evolved. or maybe even the old ones. Which came first-mass killing by sentient beings or a massive plague? It was probably pretty close, but I think a plague came first.

Of course, if you read Liber Chaotica, you can see the theory that Nurgle's real power comes from despair. Rot and decay have existed from the first moment that organic life flickered into being, but it takes awareness of it for someone to despair.

There is no way the different chaos factions and warbands across the galaxy would all unite under 1. They have too many different ambitions and goals. When it was Horus in charge it made sense.

bombboy1252 wrote:khorne is the oldest im 99.9 percent sure

not nurgle is.Nurgle is also the god of life because without life ther is no diesese and decay and vice versa,so he comes in when living creatures do

Deadshot wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:khorne is the oldest im 99.9 percent sure

not nurgle is.Nurgle is also the god of life because without life ther is no diesese and decay and vice versa,so he comes in when living creatures do

No. It has been repeatedly stated that Khorne is the oldest Chaos God in existence.

he is the most powerful but nurgle is the oldest according to lexicanium which is very well written and reliable fluff

From Lexicanum:

He is the mightiest and the oldest of the four Gods of Chaos, fully coming into existence during Terra's Middle Ages.

then there is a clash of lex. info.besides,life comes before sentience,sentience before violence.

I daresay Tzeentch has already planned the extinction of the Imperium, even if it will not come into fruition for millenia. All of the other Chaos gods are unimportant.

you must serve him.see my other posts earlier on.

Deadshot wrote:then there is a clash of lex. info.besides,life comes before sentience,sentience before violence.

So? It has been flat out stated that Khorne is the oldest Chaos God.

Deadshot wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:khorne is the oldest im 99.9 percent sure

not nurgle is.Nurgle is also the god of life because without life ther is no diesese and decay and vice versa,so he comes in when living creatures do

No, Nurgle is not the God of Life... Nurgle gets Disease, Decay and Despair. That's it. Yes, you need living things in order for there to be things to get sick, rot and feel despair... but Nurgle doesn't have anything to do with them coming into existence, only them ceasing to exist.