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I was thinking, If all the orks were to band together for a huge WAAGH!! They would completely smash everything in their way, so what if the 4 chaos gods were to band together, wouldn't that have the same impact???

Remember, the one time that they did put away their petty differences they destroyed mankind's only hope!

jakejackel3 wrote:Remember, the one time that they did put away their petty differences they destroyed mankind's only hope!

Or mankind destroyed there petty alliance, potatoes patotoes

I don't think that the Chaos Gods have a huge influence outside the warp in terms of affecting races; it took all four of them to destroy the primarchs, and even then they only managed to scatter them across the galaxy. Obviously they have the power to corrupt and influence individuals and groups but I believe that most of their attention is in the warp fighting the other Gods for dominance, it would take something rather monumental for them to set aside their differences on that scale.

Iranna.

So the only time they ever worked together was during the horus heresy....and they scattered/killed/corrupted the primarchs, so if they banded together again, say on the next black crusade, couldn't they just smash through the imperiums forces?

The Chaos Gods are weak fools and their reign will soon be over! Their masters will destroy them as easy as they created them! Even if they unite they will still fall!

The Chaos gods quarrel to much against each other to unite agian. Horus was quite the exception as with Abaddon, but Abaddon will never be like Horus and have the full support of all the Chaos Legions as Horus did. I dont think its possible considering that if the gods united, their followers wouldnt because a lot of them are at odds with each other.

Well all of them are giving their support to Abbadon and we are seeing how that's working out.

Games Workshop's fiction may not always be scintillating, but I'm fairly sure that even their standards expect story pitches to be just a little more imaginative that "all the bad guys get together to smash the Imperium".

Iranna wrote:I don't think that the Chaos Gods have a huge influence outside the warp in terms of affecting races; it took all four of them to destroy the primarchs, and even then they only managed to scatter them across the galaxy. Obviously they have the power to corrupt and influence individuals and groups but I believe that most of their attention is in the warp fighting the other Gods for dominance, it would take something rather monumental for them to set aside their differences on that scale.

More or less this.

The Chaos Gods and daemons in general have little ability to directly control events in reality. The Horus Heresy occurred not just because they banded together, but because the Primarchs, and to a lesser extend the Astartes, presented such unique instruments for them to manipulate. Armies big enough to conquer the galaxy were divided among a mere 18 individuals, with basically zero restraints on their authority.

If the Horus Heresy really does represent Chaos at the peak of its power, the byzantine checks and balances of the Imperium make it virtually impossible to pull off an act of such magnitude again.

There are several Xeno species who were destroyed, or all but destroyed, not by the Imperium, but because they became tainted by Chaos.

Yeah, I buy that. But I think that's limited to races like the Eldar, who were wiped out not just by corruption, but by their strong link to the warp. Humans are less accessible to the Chaos gods, and indeed had almost no interaction with the warp at all until Navigators and then psykers in general started appearing. If the trend in increasing psychic mutation increases, you could eventually see the downfall of humanity just like the Eldar experienced.

Psienesis wrote:There are several Xeno species who were destroyed, or all but destroyed, not by the Imperium, but because they became tainted by Chaos.

I only know this to be true in the case of the Eldar and that was solely because they were so sensitive to the warp and "Shone" brightly in it.

Humans on the other hand did not start manifesting psykers and astropaths etc. until much later in their species' history and so where almost immune to chaos in that respect until that happened.

Iranna.

bombboy1252 wrote:I was thinking, If all the orks were to band together for a huge WAAGH!! They would completely smash everything in their way, so what if the 4 chaos gods were to band together, wouldn't that have the same impact???

Every Ork banding together under one Waaagh! would basically be the physical manifestation of Gork and Mork, who are stronger than the Chaos Gods.

So not really.

Plus, the Chaos Gods don't have that kind of influence on the Materium.

Yeah, the Chaos Gods are too busy fighting with eachother over the Warp to band together again. They barely feel any contact with the Materium, except when psykers use their powers. The Chaos Daemon Codex says that the increasing number of human psykers affects how much the Warp gets connected to the Materium

every time a new, untrained psyker realizes his potential, it's like a fresh hunk of meat in a lion's den. All of the gods scramble to possess or corrupt this new presence. Depending on the potential of the psyker, they could crack open a temporary warphole. This usually expands into a full-blown daemonic incursion, which (hopefully, if the imperium gets there soon enough) results in an exterminatus. If it doesn't, there's a new daemonworld in the middle of imperial territory. So, the chaos gods have a very real impact on the material realm. It states in the daemon codex that Tzeentch will weave elaborate and complex plots to fulfill his own desire to scheme. So, he screws with people in the material world just because he can. His lords of change and the changeling(a special pink horror) also exhibit this desire, and mess with people in a similar fashion. So yeah, even a lesser daemon influences the the material world.

Void__Dragon wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:I was thinking, If all the orks were to band together for a huge WAAGH!! They would completely smash everything in their way, so what if the 4 chaos gods were to band together, wouldn't that have the same impact???

Every Ork banding together under one Waaagh! would basically be the physical manifestation of Gork and Mork, who are stronger than the Chaos Gods.

So not really.

Plus, the Chaos Gods don't have that kind of influence on the Materium.

Don't forget Gork and Mork are way older then even Khorne hence why they are stronger, plus they have been worshiped by the orks way longer too.

bombboy1252 wrote:I was thinking, If all the orks were to band together for a huge WAAGH!! They would completely smash everything in their way, so what if the 4 chaos gods were to band together, wouldn't that have the same impact???

No. I see Chaos as a whole being together already. Maybe they don't see themselves that way, but Chaos is all over the galaxy, assaulting the Imperium all over. Now if you were talking about some giant attack on Terra, then yes, I think they would win. How can the worldly Imperium stand up to all the daemons of the infinite warp?

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:I was thinking, If all the orks were to band together for a huge WAAGH!! They would completely smash everything in their way, so what if the 4 chaos gods were to band together, wouldn't that have the same impact???

No. I see Chaos as a whole being together already. Maybe they don't see themselves that way, but Chaos is all over the galaxy, assaulting the Imperium all over. Now if you were talking about some giant attack on Terra, then yes, I think they would win. How can the worldly Imperium stand up to all the daemons of the infinite warp?

Really? Because I got the exact opposite impression. Chaos spends as much time fighting itself as anyone else. It has to. If Chaos was driven, focused, and on-task, then we would call it Evil instead.

Jimsolo wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:I was thinking, If all the orks were to band together for a huge WAAGH!! They would completely smash everything in their way, so what if the 4 chaos gods were to band together, wouldn't that have the same impact???

No. I see Chaos as a whole being together already. Maybe they don't see themselves that way, but Chaos is all over the galaxy, assaulting the Imperium all over. Now if you were talking about some giant attack on Terra, then yes, I think they would win. How can the worldly Imperium stand up to all the daemons of the infinite warp?

Really? Because I got the exact opposite impression. Chaos spends as much time fighting itself as anyone else. It has to. If Chaos was driven, focused, and on-task, then we would call it Evil instead.

I see what you did their

Chaos is chaotic and lacks any real direction. That's what makes it so great! The Chaos gods don't care as long as their goals are being met.

The last time they banded together was during the Heresy, they did so because they were afraid. It would take something equal to the Emperor to cause the Chaos Gods to unite again.

(and the Emperor has no equal)

No, they've banded together during each of the black crusades.

How is it that for the third time in a row that you posted in a thread right after I did Melissia?

FuryTheBerserker wrote:The Chaos Gods are weak fools and their reign will soon be over! Their masters will destroy them as easy as they created them! Even if they unite they will still fall!

Chaos Gods don't have masters and wern't created.They are part of the Warp.a chaos god is created when a powerful enough version of a thing is craeted.Khorne the god of blood,murder etc,was created in the Middle Ages.when bloodshed was as common as blinking.So if the whole universe got scared for the same reason at the same time,then it would create a new god.

Slaanesh was created when a galaxy spanning empire held a centuries long hyper-orgy, I know it's in the fluff, but I don't see how a relatively minor series of events on a single planet could have done anything for Khorne. Not to mention that the Eldar had been worshiping Khaine for millenia prior to that. Really, the whole thing where Khorne corresponds to the crusades, Tzeentch to Machiavelli, and Nurgle to the Black Death is just goofy.

Melissia wrote:No, they've banded together during each of the black crusades.

The Traitor Marines banded together, not the Chaos Gods

And even then, the Crusades suffered from infighting.

daveNYC wrote:Slaanesh was created when a galaxy spanning empire held a centuries long hyper-orgy, I know it's in the fluff, but I don't see how a relatively minor series of events on a single planet could have done anything for Khorne. Not to mention that the Eldar had been worshiping Khaine for millenia prior to that. Really, the whole thing where Khorne corresponds to the crusades, Tzeentch to Machiavelli, and Nurgle to the Black Death is just goofy.

More blood was shed between 1066ish tme and 1600s than any other period in history

Nurgle has been around the longest,sisnce dieses and life first started,then khorne in the Medieval,then Tzeentch when the first psykers appeared,then slaanesh in the universal orgy,as you put it.but thats the fluff and you can't change it.as much as you'd wqant to though.i mean,space marines are ten times tougher than guard.mat ward clearly has no respect for the chinese community.

let me explain that last point.the chinese believe 4 is bad luck because it sounds like their word for death.yet mat uses 4 for everything.WS,BS.S,T,boltguns,smite has S4,AP4,Assault 4,so does dorn's arrow,flamers are stength 4,frags,assault cannon AP,Initiative,ranges are all divisible by 4.really!


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jakejackel3 wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:I was thinking, If all the orks were to band together for a huge WAAGH!! They would completely smash everything in their way, so what if the 4 chaos gods were to band together, wouldn't that have the same impact???

Every Ork banding together under one Waaagh! would basically be the physical manifestation of Gork and Mork, who are stronger than the Chaos Gods.

So not really.

Plus, the Chaos Gods don't have that kind of influence on the Materium.

Don't forget Gork and Mork are way older then even Khorne hence why they are stronger, plus they have been worshiped by the orks way longer too.

orks unwillingly worship him too.every killing is an offering to khorne.the bloodier and more pointlessly violent the better.

More blood was shed between 1066ish tme and 1600s than any other period in history

Excepting maybe the Great Crusade where entire star-systems burned and their billions upon billions of inhabitants killed by chainsword, bolter and orbital bombardment...