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Care to back up that assessment? Do you think that people would ever choose the A/C if we did that?

The A/C is twin linked though.
Admittedly that wouldn't matter for a lot... maybe make the ML 5 or 10 more points than the A/C...

Cripes, I was forgetting that thing was both TL and H2! Yeah, that makes a difference...

The missile launcher should be Heavy 4 each and available to both arms as an upgrade.

Ok, that's just...I have no words.

Also, please remember to share what you think the point cost should be!

Replace DCCW for 10 points.
Replace MM for free.

If you play Orks, that explains your "need more Dakka" approach!

Yes I was tempted to say they should be:
S8 AP3 Heavy 4d6

I'd really like for more people to weigh in on this subject so we can propose an article for the wiki. Dakka has alot of users and together we represent a tremendous tool, maybe not one that GW would listen too , but certainly one that has the ability to create a widely appealing set of house rules. And maybe even a set of rules for alternate tourney play! I don't think I'm being overly optimistic, just trying to give it a go.

Anyway, I'd also love rationale for why you vote the way you do, so that a record can be compiled for the article. And feel free to either put forward your own ideas on rules interpretations and/or fixes and start your own polls so that we can really move forward with this idea.

For Wargaming! For Warhammer! For DAKKA!

Honestly Forgotten, you're probably hoping for a bit much there.

The proposed rules forum could well be the least popular 40K forum on Dakka (despite it being one of my most frequent visits), you only need to have a quick glance over the board (such as the 'Post your opinions about fluff-wise stats for miniatures' thread, Dreadknights in bigger Dreadknights etc.) to understand why many avoid proposed rules board, with many ill thought out and OTT ideas. My Chaos Space Marine Fandex for example has 500 comments but 15000 views (this may be the smallest view-to-comment count of any large threads in the forum). I agree, some really good ideas can come out from here and it could really do with some more views and input, potentially a compilation of good ideas. I've considered running a create a character competition to try and encourage more views, but I don't have the time...
Whilst I'd love some of the ideas here to get more support, a lot of them are also bad ideas IMHO and I do feel you may be 'being overly optimistic'.
I did say that you've been very reasonable in your ideas in this thread, because you have and that's fundamental for this part of the forum.

I may be pessimistic, but equally I may be realistic...

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I too completely forgot the Autocannon is twin-linked. If the Missile Launcher was Heavy 2 and 5-10pts extra, it would be a good solution IMHO.

I feel the poll should have more options to be honest, including things like points costs etc. For example, it could be made viable if it was only 5pts extra or free, without changing, making it H2 would probably require a points increase...

Sorry to all those who voted (and thanks!). I've changed the poll to more properly reflect good polling habits and it seems that I can't re-vote, which means neither can you who have already voted. Hopefully though, there still remains a large number of users who will vote on this proposed change to the weapon. @ Dave - thanks.

So, as you can see, there are more options, and I've included cost choices! Hope this works!

Now I've voted!

Heavy 2 and 15-20pts IMHO.

Thanks, I just wish I'd have planned out the poll better, sooner!

Well, if no other voting is forthcoming, then I'm going to take what I remember from the first poll and this poll and mash them together for some results. Them I'm going to present the findings and write and article for the wiki...

Still, between this poll and the previous incarnation there have been only 50 some odd votes... :(

To add my humble opinion, I vote Heavy 2 and 10-15 points as I feel that it should be better than the standard infantry based launcher, and it keeps the price in the region of the Psy-Rifleman Dreads, which are twin linked so they'll hit more but you have the option of using frags, which I feel is balanced.

Assuming my regular opponent doesn't mind I'll test this next game and report back if you wish.

Yes! And ask around among the rest of your local gamers, I'd really like to know how people feel about this and what they think.

Go to a terminator for comparison:

A PF is basically 10 pts (Per CSM and SW codex)
A Storm Bolter is 5 PTs (Per many codex upgrades)
A Typhoon or CML costs 30 (Again per many)

Now look at the dread:
You give up a DN CC Weapon and Stormbolter. This, on a terminator would be 15 pts. And switch it for a single shot missile launcher for +10. So 25 pts. Now if I compare that to the cost of arming a devastator with a ML I am paying a 5 pt premium cost to give up my CC ability!! IT is not worth it.

I would say +15 for a CML/Typhoon equivalent granting 2 shots krak or frag. For all the ranged power it grants you, you are giving up S10 power weapon attacks for S6 non-power weapon attacks plus two stormbolter shots.

Views should equal votes people!

I agree with DAaddict.

Hahaha...the SkiFree monster! Fantastic.

The FW Pre-Heresy Dread has a Cyclone rack, nice!.

My take on this is that we have Shooty Dreads, but only BA gets a nice CC Variant. A good example would be a dual DCCW (no special weapons but gives +1A + high strength = Instant Death threat to Characters) combined with a CYCLONE Missile Launcher (Heavy 2 Blast). I think this would be a compromise, and it should be about 120 Points, for Two Dreadnought Power Fists and a Cyclone Missile Launcher.

Suppose you get to keep the HF/Storm Bolter when you upgrade to a Missile Launcher and you make the SB/HF co-axial?

No doubt a H2 launcher would be preferable. However, you remove the blast option and the result is a choice more adaptable autocannon, or the dedicated anti metal boxness of the ML. Well, then again, the land raider crusader shouldnt exist, and dreadnaughts should be able to take hurricane bolters...

heavy 2

The dread missile launcher should be Heavy 2, and maybe twin linked, for 5-10 points, your trade you DCCW for this thing, give it some hitting power.

Heavy 2 would be fun, basically a giant cyclone missile launcher.

Giving it a 2nd krak shot or even twin-linking the krak shot makes to too close to an autocannon or lascannon.

What I would do is make it Heavy 1 krak, or heavy 2 frag.

With a twin-missile dread, it would give you the option for 2 krak shots, or 4 frag shots.
Worse against light vehicles, better againts heavy, without outclassing the twin-lascannons.
Gives a nice anti-infantry option with 4 blasts.

I would like to see an option for a 2x twin-las dread. It's have to come in around 200 pts or so, but it would be a nice option.

I miss the slightly upgraded weapons dreads got in 2nd edition.

-Matt

-Matt