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Ha, the Laughing God IS the Deceiver, so you kinda already have rules for this one.

Ha! Explain yourself! 'Cause I haven't read this anywhere.

Config2 wrote:Ha, the Laughing God IS the Deceiver, so you kinda already have rules for this one.

Aside from the obvious idiocy of this statement, Cegorach is an Eldar God, thus a daemon. He's a creature of the warp who can go toe to toe with she who thirsts in the immaterium.
The Deceiver is a C'tan, one of the ancient sentient energy beings that inhabit a necrodermis shell - to which the warp is almost a poison, even being too near psykers and daemons make them quesy, to the point the crons are trying to sever the connection between the material universe from the immaterium thus removing their greatest obstical.

The C'tan are not gods. They are creatures of the material universe. Albeit really powerful energy creatures, but from this dimension nonetheless.
The Deciever isnt Cegorach the Laughing God, The Void Dragon isnt Malal and no other warp entity is a C'tan.

The Deceiver is THE DECEIVER, he can be anyone and anything he wants, including a fake daemon.

This relationship is suggested only once in the 3rd Edition Necron Codex, when the "Tales of the Harlequins" say that their God tricked the Nightbringer into eating the other C'tan. This is directly contradicted by the Deceiver's Entry
which says that the Deceiver was the one who did that. This certainly at least a connection, and is not just a typo. Someone has to be wrong, or more likely, since the Deceiver is involved, someone was tricked....

Not idiocy is it now, and if you give me another 4 days, i can quote the passage for you.

I know of what you're referencing and it is a mix of contradictory fluff and insanity, it doesnt say the deciever is cegorach, nor infer it. Being the laughing god is active within the warp where the c'tan cannot exist immediately destroys your argument they're the same entity.

Necron dex, p.28: "Ultimately, the Nightbringer was undone when the Deceiver convinced it that the most succulent feasts were to be had in the living energies of its fellow C'tan/"

Necron dex, p.31: "As the C'tan gained ascendancy it is told that it was the Deceiver who first set them against one another as the harvest of sentient populations grew thin. [...] In a whirl of pacts and betrayals the Deceiver tricked and consumed several of its fellows"

Now I just skimmed the codex, so it's very possible I missed something, but I haven't found a mention of the Laughing God, only of the Deceiver setting the other C'tan up to eat eachother. (I have read about Cegorach in other sources, and it seems to me very possible that Cegorach was just trollin' the C'tan while the Deceiver made them eat eachother. They're apparently just a bunch of saps.

Well... I did some research and it turns out you guys are right.

However, there is a very slight difference that is only explained once, in the eldar side of the story.

Apparently, the Deceiver convinced the Nightbringer to eat other C'tan and he did not go insane, whereas Cegorach convinced the Outsider to eat the other C'tan, driving him insane. The difference is stated as the Nightbringer being the "Destroyer" versus the Outsider, as usual, not being described at all.

As you see, my confusion had a basis, but you are right. Also Cegorach cannot fight Slaanesh head to head, as he hides during Khaine's battle with her.

But aside from this, I would use the Deceiver - power to get viable rules.

Even with my research, i still believe that this difference is a matter of opinion and the "Destroyer" could mean either C'tan.

Ahhhhh....... devising the cryptic messages of 40k fluff

Fluff battles are always fun, but I must say. almost everyone here makes an excelent point. I feel that if you took the deciever, and the AoK, then compared the two and found a balance, then this Avatar could become a truly feasible reality.

Config2 wrote:Well... I did some research and it turns out you guys are right.

However, there is a very slight difference that is only explained once, in the eldar side of the story.

Apparently, the Deceiver convinced the Nightbringer to eat other C'tan and he did not go insane, whereas Cegorach convinced the Outsider to eat the other C'tan, driving him insane. The difference is stated as the Nightbringer being the "Destroyer" versus the Outsider, as usual, not being described at all.

As you see, my confusion had a basis, but you are right. Also Cegorach cannot fight Slaanesh head to head, as he hides during Khaine's battle with her.

But aside from this, I would use the Deceiver - power to get viable rules.

Even with my research, i still believe that this difference is a matter of opinion and the "Destroyer" could mean either C'tan.

Ahhhhh....... devising the cryptic messages of 40k fluff

The Harlequins tale of the fall depict the laughing god having a bout with the newly born Slaany. Also every time a Solitaire buys it Cegorach fights Slaanesh for its soul.

I have also heard of Cegorach fighting for the soul.

I bought a poorly constructed and painted metal Deciever off ebay in october.

It's been soaking in dettol since then to strip the paint and what looks like no more nails that was used to stick it together... But thatsfinally stripped now and I have a fresh strip of GS ready and waiting to go, so soon I'll actually be making my laughing god :p

Goes against Eldar fluff so Im not pleased.

From a fluff perspective, shouldn't Cegorach be hidden within a unit of Harelquins at the start of the game (as Harlequins only realise thye have met him afterwards), and only revaled under a set of circumstances, for example:

a) Player voluntarially reveals it at the start of the turn

b) enemy within x" causes it to be revealed

c) when the harlequin model would be removed as a casuality from shooting

Smitty0305 wrote:Goes against Eldar fluff so Im not pleased.

How does it go against Eldar fluff at all? Cegorach is the trickster. He could choose to appear or inhabit anyone because he thought it was funny or if there was a reason of note such as something slanney wants and the laughing god wants to deny them it.

KoganStyle wrote:From a fluff perspective, shouldn't Cegorach be hidden within a unit of Harelquins at the start of the game (as Harlequins only realise thye have met him afterwards), and only revaled under a set of circumstances, for example:

a) Player voluntarially reveals it at the start of the turn

b) enemy within x" causes it to be revealed

c) when the harlequin model would be removed as a casuality from shooting

It would be a possible.. but I think it would be perfectly justifiable to have him just there as absolutely nothing prohibits it anywhere in the fluff

KoganStyle wrote:From a fluff perspective, shouldn't Cegorach be hidden within a unit of Harelquins at the start of the game (as Harlequins only realise thye have met him afterwards), and only revaled under a set of circumstances, for example:

Already thought of that, AoC has the following rule:

Thom wrote:Daemon: To all intends and purposes the Avatar of Cegorach is a Daemon. He benefits from a 4+ invulnerable save. Furthermore the Avatar of Cegorach always start the game in reserve, it can only enter the battlefield following the rules for summoning Greater Daemons found in the CSM codex, p. 61. When it becomes available from reserve it may possess the body of a Harlequin, Troupe Master, Shadowseer or Death Jester. Once the Avatar of Cegorach comes into play it is no longer part of the squad that the model whose body it possesses used to be a part of.

Looking forward to seeing your model, Ovion.