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Kodeack wrote:screw them... lol... they give my pewter carnifex the stink eye see what happens when 4 lbs of pewter hits them in the forehead.... relatively speaking of course since all I have is imperial guard... but my pewter sentinels could hurt.

And this thread took exactly one post to get to the "Ima gonna bash them wit muh warhams!!!"

Dakka never disappoints in bringing out the absolute best of the worst of the dregs of the hobby.

For a certain value of "Dakka" where "Dakka = "the internet".

Balance wrote:

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
Ummm, yes they did. They tried that in the past. If there where newer versions of models out you had to have the new ones to play in the store. I had a RT-era guard army (plastics) and I was told that I couldn't play them in the store as they where not sold anymore. If I wanted to play I had to get the 'new' guard metals.... sighs, I can see them doing this again with metal/finecast.

I have to wonder if this kind of behavior is enforced (if not created) on a regional if not store-specific behavior. I know beating up GW is a Dakkadakka past time, but this kind of thing sounds more like an individual manager going power-mad more than a company policy.

OTOH, if it was a store with the layout where there's a front table or tables near the window and more tables in the back, I wouldn't be too offended if the front tables were given to people with new shinies.

Well you have to remember this was around the time that ALL models in your army had to be painted, based, and have Goblin Green painted around the outside of the base....so take it for what it's worth.

It was a company wide policy at the time. You have some awsomely based urban fighters....you have to have the outside of the base painted goblin green or you don't play in the store.

I don't like beating up on GW, honestly I love there universes but....if they keep giving us the ammo to beat them up what does that say?

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

Balance wrote:

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
Ummm, yes they did. They tried that in the past. If there where newer versions of models out you had to have the new ones to play in the store. I had a RT-era guard army (plastics) and I was told that I couldn't play them in the store as they where not sold anymore. If I wanted to play I had to get the 'new' guard metals.... sighs, I can see them doing this again with metal/finecast.

I have to wonder if this kind of behavior is enforced (if not created) on a regional if not store-specific behavior. I know beating up GW is a Dakkadakka past time, but this kind of thing sounds more like an individual manager going power-mad more than a company policy.

OTOH, if it was a store with the layout where there's a front table or tables near the window and more tables in the back, I wouldn't be too offended if the front tables were given to people with new shinies.

Well you have to remember this was around the time that ALL models in your army had to be painted, based, and have Goblin Green painted around the outside of the base....so take it for what it's worth.

It was a company wide policy at the time. You have some awsomely based urban fighters....you have to have the outside of the base painted goblin green or you don't play in the store.

I don't like beating up on GW, honestly I love there universes but....if they keep giving us the ammo to beat them up what does that say?

Define "at that time" please. I've been around Games Workshop in Maryland since 1991 and I've -never- seen the "goblin green rule". Painted yes (3 colors - not hard). Based yes (sand. not hard). Outside of the base done in Goblin Green? No, not ever.

Also - "can't use a model that isn't sold anymore" - no. Never company policy (and I've witnessed staff getting fired for trying to pull such a stunt.)

Canada thing? Possibly. Canada is known as "Bizarro World" in some circles.

I'm not a fan of metal. I've never worked with resin though, and probably won't unless I find something off of ebay.
Metal is just hard to work with/convert, well not...but definitely not as easy.
And I have had my fair share of gakky mold lines....

Absolutionis wrote:It's absurdly unlikely that models would ever get 'banned' because they're of an older material.

People are free to use old models all they want. The only problem arises when you try using models such as the Eldar Avatar that's he height of a Farseer and the Tyranid Carnifex that's the height of a Warrior.

Except GW actually have a ruling on these models and they're quite legal - they just have to be on the base size they were supplied with. So the old Carnifex just needs to be on an old square monster base, and the tinytar on a slottabase.

jbunny wrote:Personally I prefer the older models. Both the metal and the plastic ones.

What old plastics could you possibly prefer? I can't think of any situation where the plastic kit wasn't completely better than the metal models before them, or at the very least a sidegrade in quality like the GK releases.

I've already gotten the "stinkeye" towards some of the Rogue Trader stuff I field, but only by one or two humorlses players. Generally people think it's cool that I have older funky stuff. I can only assume the same when I play players years down the road who don't have metal models. The metal/plastic hybrid Iron Warriors are my cross to bear though. I genuinely would rather have them in Finecast than metal, especially considering the belts on every single one are miscast across all the sets I have.

I used my metal DA dread naught as a theft deterrent once .

Worglock wrote:
Define "at that time" please. I've been around Games Workshop in Maryland since 1991 and I've -never- seen the "goblin green rule". Painted yes (3 colors - not hard). Based yes (sand. not hard). Outside of the base done in Goblin Green? No, not ever.

Also - "can't use a model that isn't sold anymore" - no. Never company policy (and I've witnessed staff getting fired for trying to pull such a stunt.)

Canada thing? Possibly. Canada is known as "Bizarro World" in some circles.

Yeppers, this was in Canada, Vancouver BC, 3rd GW opened in North America. It would of been around 90-91.

The 'not allowed to use older models' came around 98 or so ish. It was around the time 3rd edition 40k was released and the time they moved from Downtown Vancouver to Metrotown Mall in Burnaby. The manager at the time (Geoff) and most of the staff quit or where 'asked to leave' because of the decision when 3rd edition came out not to allow older models to be used in the stores. Maybe you had a Rogue manager who payed 'lip service' to the Area managers while allowing it in his store?

Are you in Glen byrne (sp??) I seem to remember there being a store there aroud the time Toronto, Vancouver and GB opened. Wasn't GB Headoffice for GW NA?

Faster people start hating on metal models the better. I might be able to snag some on the cheap. While for some reason I have the hardest time painting the bastards, the feel of a sturdy piece of metal in my hands is quite exquisite. When I busted open a grab bag of warhammer minis I got off craigslist and found 2 fully metal dreadnaughts (Bjorn and a vanilla one) I, how you say, spilled my milk shake.

Joking aside though I have no idea why to me heavier = superior.

Noobs in my club already give metal the stink eye.

They say it's too hard to work with.

Pshah! How will you learn stuff if you don't even try to do it?

Besides, the same techniques and tools can be used for plastics and resins.

I approve of the title of this thread. It's been awhile since I've heard someone use this phrase and it was only people I was close to. Glad to see it's alive and well even if metal isn't :-/

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I'm way too lazy for hand drills and always use my Dremel. For metal figs to fight the heating issue I keep my little GW water cup handy. Drill, dip, drill, dip, no problem. I end up having to worry more about the Dremel getting too hot, I stick it in the mini fridge next to me in the office at work.

Metal wasn't hard to work with when it contained lead. It was soft - quick to file down and cut, easy to bend for slight conversions. Drilling and pinning was no great issue, then they introduced white metal which was a bitch to drill out in comparison and is so much harder that it wears our files and knives.

So it all went wrong in about 1992 or thereabouts.

Balance wrote:
Not all... Just some.

I really dislike a lot of Bob Olley's sculpts he did for early 40k. All the faces look the same, even the Ogryns!

Howard A Treesong wrote:
Anyway, if you don't have models that have turned black in their high lead content you're all noobs to me.

Or have your hands turn black from working with it. Then having a massive itch in your eye and realising that you can't rub it without filling your eyes with lead!

Brother SRM wrote:
What old plastics could you possibly prefer? I can't think of any situation where the plastic kit wasn't completely better than the metal models before them, or at the very least a sidegrade in quality like the GK releases.

Generic guard that aren't cadians or the steroid monstrosities that are catachans.
Sure, they're limited of pose (head and arms/weapons were separate but body/legs were one piece with some variation in the body casts) but they had more character and style than the catachans.

Noobs giving metal the stinkeye just means I can get the older stuff I prefer for less money secondhand.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Metal wasn't hard to work with when it contained lead. It was soft - quick to file down and cut, easy to bend for slight conversions. Drilling and pinning was no great issue, then they introduced white metal which was a bitch to drill out in comparison and is so much harder that it wears our files and knives.

So it all went wrong in about 1992 or thereabouts.

This! This is why I like resin. It cuts and bends better than plastic and is not a pain in the arse to cut or drill like white metal. I have a pile of metal minis I am working on at the moment and you can realy tell when you hit a lead one. So much easyer to work with.

Also, there is no model as nice to hold as a full metal dred.

Frazzled wrote:

2. Why on earth would I care what "their" opinion is? I have difficulties accepting this whole people have a right to exist thing, much less what their opinions are.

Paul wrote:Also, there is no model as nice to hold as a full metal dred.

You'll know all about it if you drop it on your foot.

I've got some metal Grey Knight Terminators and some pewter dice. I like putting stuff on the table that makes your models move.

Paul wrote:................This is why I like resin. It cuts and bends better than plastic and is not a pain in the arse to cut or drill like white metal. I have a pile of metal minis I am working on at the moment and you can realy tell when you hit a lead one. So much easyer to work with.
........

This is true of the Finecast stuff but less true of the Forgeworld/Flames of War type resins. It's hard, can fracture what you are a little too rough with it and stinks to high heaven. Man I hate the smell of resin!

Back OT, I can not see GW ever banning existing 40K lines from use, but then I wouldn't play in one of their stores. YMMV

P.S. whoever said that all plastics were an improvement on previous metals lines forgot the first plastic IG boxset ("Necromunda Spyders") from 1st ED, they were allot poorer than their metal Imperial Army predecessors.

I got my first miniatures somewhere around 1990, when there was only metal, and I still give it the stink eye. I simply prefer working with plastic.

Worglock wrote:
Also - "can't use a model that isn't sold anymore" - no. Never company policy (and I've witnessed staff getting fired for trying to pull such a stunt.)

Canada thing? Possibly. Canada is known as "Bizarro World" in some circles.

It was in effect in the UK as well in the early 90's, at least in the handful of GWs I visited (minimum base painted as well in Goblin Green I am referring to).

Once finecast has become the norm (which will take, I'd reckon, 3-4 years) then it should come as no surprise that newer players will start to regard metal figures as aberrant.

And we use that opportunity to call them n00bs, and embark on long and rambling tales about the old days and how everything used to be made of lead, and we used polyhedral dice, how White Dwarf was once worth reading and Andy Chambers had long hair. Squats will inevitably be mentioned.

Which, come to think of it, is pretty much how the community has responded to every change in Games Workshop's products and policies in the last 20 years.

Im like a noob (1 year on the Hobby ) and i never liked metal models, simple due to the cost. That is why i convert all my models from plastic, and why i will not buy resin miniatures soon (at least from GW, Mantic seens to know how to do it properly).

Perhaps, i find all metal figures to be charming, and i like to see one in the table. Meanwhile, i hate finecost, and i normally see them as a symbol fo GW overdominance on the market. Pretty much, if you buy a finecost, you are accepting the bad treatment of GW, and smiling at it...

But i will guess 5-6 years

filbert wrote:Would GW ban old metal figures from their stores? Probably not and it would probably be a bit of a PR disaster if they tried. That being said, not sure if anyone has tried taking an old Squat or Chaos Dwarf army into a GW store recently?

Eh, I don't think they'd care about any fallout as GW has a 2+ invulnerable save versus the internet on top of feel no nerdrage pain. Every yearly price "adjustment" is an internet PR disaster.. as was Finecast's roll out, the clampdown on fansites and internet news, the decision to not allow internet ordering in any convienent fashion in the US, etc. There are occasionally threads that pop up in which people ask why their OOP models (that are old enough that the expert GW red shirts don't realize they're official GW minis) aren't allowed at the local GW store. While I don't think GW will ever have an official policy disallowing OOP minis (which now includes metal in general) on a national scale, that doesn't exclude the occasional ignorant redshirt from making a stupid ruling.

filbert wrote:That being said, not sure if anyone has tried taking an old Squat or Chaos Dwarf army into a GW store recently?

I took a Squat army to GW Cardiff a year or so ago. Everyone loved it - staff, newbies and veterans alike. Some of the kids didn't know what they were, so the staff explained to them. No problems at all.

biccat wrote:I don't think they'll give them the "stink eye." They'll probably ask questions like "Why doesn't your Librarian have a malformed face?", "How did you get a model without bubbling?" and "Where do I get a model where both halves of the mold line up properly?"

Exalted

I took a Squat army to GW Cardiff a year or so ago. Everyone loved it - staff, newbies and veterans alike. Some of the kids didn't know what they were, so the staff explained to them. No problems at all.

I think it very much depends on the store manager in question. Most are OK, but I've come across some right jobs-worths in my time.

FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:

Worglock wrote:
Define "at that time" please. I've been around Games Workshop in Maryland since 1991 and I've -never- seen the "goblin green rule". Painted yes (3 colors - not hard). Based yes (sand. not hard). Outside of the base done in Goblin Green? No, not ever.

Also - "can't use a model that isn't sold anymore" - no. Never company policy (and I've witnessed staff getting fired for trying to pull such a stunt.)

Canada thing? Possibly. Canada is known as "Bizarro World" in some circles.

Yeppers, this was in Canada, Vancouver BC, 3rd GW opened in North America. It would of been around 90-91.

The 'not allowed to use older models' came around 98 or so ish. It was around the time 3rd edition 40k was released and the time they moved from Downtown Vancouver to Metrotown Mall in Burnaby. The manager at the time (Geoff) and most of the staff quit or where 'asked to leave' because of the decision when 3rd edition came out not to allow older models to be used in the stores. Maybe you had a Rogue manager who payed 'lip service' to the Area managers while allowing it in his store?

Are you in Glen byrne (sp??) I seem to remember there being a store there aroud the time Toronto, Vancouver and GB opened. Wasn't GB Headoffice for GW NA?

The US HQ was in Glen Burnie Md until a few years ago. I played at multiple stores around Maryland. (White Marsh, Glen Burnie couple others).

What you had was strictly a Canada thing then. We never had that here.