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MrMerlin wrote:why does nobody seem to paint any humans in a different skin color than white?

Speak for yourself, pal. I do a variety of different skin tones in my spacemans.



One of my Terminator Sergeants, Sergeant Apone, is also black (with a bionic eye, of course). Unfortunately it's sort of a poor picture (this are some of the first minis I ever did, so they came out pretty bad as well).

MrMerlin wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:
Planets tend to have people of the same shade of skin on them because people will gravitate towards the Temperate climates, no one will live in a Desert by choice when they can live in a nice temperate zone. so a particular Guard regiment will usually have people of the same skin color.

i have to disagree with that; lets look at this planet called earth (or terra). I mean all the different kinds of people in question on this thread come from one and one only planet. They simply spread out during the countless milenia, and i guess if there is a planet in 40k wich has been populated for some thousands of years, people will live on every corner of it.


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hmm somehow i got my post mixed into the quoute....?


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wtf?

Lets go over this again.


Yes, Terra has multitudes of skin colors, but we need to figure out why.

Its because people were living in different climates.


Other planets often only have 1 climate type OR the populace all live in a single climate zone. If you were founding a colony on Earth right now, its completely empty, where would you start your first cities? probably the Temperate zones. People would then stick to the Temperate zones because they have a choice. Deserts would only be entered if there was something of value there, like Oil. and even then, it would only be workers and they would likely have Sun protection.


the vast bulk of a Planet with earth-like climate's population will live in temperate zones when given the option(and, as we have the Tech level of the IoM, we certaintly do have the choice)

...You DO realize that in order for racial development to occur, the population would need certain traits pushed by natural selection, right? In the science-fantasy setting of WH40K they've not only got ways to survive in different climates but they've also got ways to survive in different planets. What relevance does earth-climate pose when we've got generations of Void Born civilians, Death Worlders, lower-class Hive Worlders, and other fantastic environments which human history has not yet put to the test?

Pseudoscience isn't needed to explain the amount of non-Caucasians seen in WH40K when the same privilege effecting Hollywood and other media clearly is playing a role. I'm not even sure how you came to the conclusion that climate could change pigment since Amerindians lived in temperate climates and didn't change skin-color to match the British.

Pigment is determined by both the climate and by genetics.

Native Americans are Asian in origin and during the time they still lived as Nomads they spent alot of time out in the direct sun. I know several full blooded Indians that only have a light blush and not Sun darkened skin. It also depends on the actual Tribe. Plain's indians would have redder skin then Coastal.

Ouze wrote:One of my Terminator Sergeants, Sergeant Apone, [...]

Would be more badass in a Storm Trooper platoon, but kudos nonetheless. I reckon he's particularly good at fighting 'nids?

Lynata wrote:

Ouze wrote:One of my Terminator Sergeants, Sergeant Apone, [...]

Would be more badass in a Storm Trooper platoon, but kudos nonetheless. I reckon he's particularly good at fighting 'nids?

A queer hatred of the bugs, indeed.

So far as the whole "majority of people located in temperate zones/colonists etc etc etc", please don't. I get what you're trying to do, but lets be realistic. 90 odd percent of this game and fluff boils down to "a wizard did it".

Ouze wrote:

Lynata wrote:

Ouze wrote:One of my Terminator Sergeants, Sergeant Apone, [...]

Would be more badass in a Storm Trooper platoon, but kudos nonetheless. I reckon he's particularly good at fighting 'nids?

A queer hatred of the bugs, indeed.

So far as the whole "majority of people located in temperate zones/colonists etc etc etc", please don't. I get what you're trying to do, but lets be realistic. 90 odd percent of this game and fluff boils down to "a wizard did it".

Please, this is one case where "a wizard did it" isn't needed.

Its easiest to paint white skin, mainly because GW makes such a nice flesh tone called Dwarf Flesh. but they have alot of other colors that make it possable to paint a whole array of skin tones.


The other point is that a Regiment is going to be composed of people with practically the same color because they all come from the same planet, and probably the same region on the planet. Space Marines will probably be the most likely place to find varience, due to them recruiting from multiple worlds. you will have different colors from different planets/regions.

its a logical explaination to why we don't see people of differing skin colors in books or in, most, gamer armies. 1) lazy/unable to paint multiple skin colors, 2) climate preferances will tend to make people from the same planet be the same skin color(Colonists will also start out with mostly the same shade too)

Or we're just showing our inherent racism.

Who's being racist?

The person who only paints his models white, or the person who draws attention to petty percieved differences by throwing a big hissy fit over the painted models?

Meh,belive what you wish, I'm gunna go with a mix of evolution ( including any weirdness that happens from several generations being void/ warp born) and genocide .... mainly because It's the Imperium, they dont realy think all that much of virus bombing an entire planetary system.

oh just as an aside, in the picture of cadians from the old 4Ed codex, the guy with the flamer isnt black, he has a flamer, his face is covered in soot and other crap from the weapon, sorry to burst the buble.

Ouze wrote:

MrMerlin wrote:why does nobody seem to paint any humans in a different skin color than white?

Speak for yourself, pal. I do a variety of different skin tones in my spacemans.



One of my Terminator Sergeants, Sergeant Apone, is also black (with a bionic eye, of course). Unfortunately it's sort of a poor picture (this are some of the first minis I ever did, so they came out pretty bad as well).

hey Ouze they look awsome. I like them!

And with my statement i was referring to the pile of IG armies i have seen on this forum /in GWs, where not a single model was different to the others. Maybe I just missed the ones on wich my statement wouldn't apply....

Lynata wrote:

Alkasyn wrote:Actually, Tallarns are not Arabs. They're "Lawrence of Arabia" types, that is, Britons in the Middle East.

I'll take your word on it. The skin colour on their minis must have fooled me.

That makes the video sequences from Final Liberation seem all the more fitting, though.

On the other hand,the officers in 96th Tallarn featured in Blood and Thunder look pretty darn European to me.

With regards to skin colours; in the magical world of 40k, everyone on a planet is of one ethnicity. So all Cadians have purple eyes and fair blonde hair

Usually, but not always. In the Cain books, there was at least one black Valhallan (usually pale as they spend their time indoors in the air conditioning), and Col. Casteen had very distinctly differently colored hair (bright red I believe).

It is much easier for then to make the same model over and over, instead of making models for every single race.

You can also just paint your IG any race you want.

What Melissia said in her most recent post, +1. I just read the first and second Cain omnibi (omnibus?), and I distinctly remember the token black Valhallan, and Kasteen's description as something of a Vaklyrie with red hair. I'm a ginger myself, so, I empathize.

In terms of my army, my Catachan army usually has at least two black guys in each squad (i.e. just primed models), and I usually use Bronzed Flesh, Dwarf Flesh, and sometimes Elf Flesh for skin colors. Granted, I suck at painting, but there's still variety.

Heh. The second platoon has a black LT, and they have the battle honor of curbstomping a unit of Banshees. First platoon has gak.

Grey Templar wrote:

Ouze wrote:

Lynata wrote:

Ouze wrote:One of my Terminator Sergeants, Sergeant Apone, [...]

Would be more badass in a Storm Trooper platoon, but kudos nonetheless. I reckon he's particularly good at fighting 'nids?

A queer hatred of the bugs, indeed.

So far as the whole "majority of people located in temperate zones/colonists etc etc etc", please don't. I get what you're trying to do, but lets be realistic. 90 odd percent of this game and fluff boils down to "a wizard did it".

Please, this is one case where "a wizard did it" isn't needed.

Its easiest to paint white skin, mainly because GW makes such a nice flesh tone called Dwarf Flesh. but they have alot of other colors that make it possable to paint a whole array of skin tones.


The other point is that a Regiment is going to be composed of people with practically the same color because they all come from the same planet, and probably the same region on the planet. Space Marines will probably be the most likely place to find varience, due to them recruiting from multiple worlds. you will have different colors from different planets/regions.

There is also the main point people are forgetting, racial groups occur due to selective beeding, they are caused by isolation of a genestock for one reason or another, most IG regiments are raised from worlds of modern to IoM high level of tech, this means that there isn't the isolation of population groups needed to create multiple distinct races. In a world that starts with at least modern tech level will merge into one race s long as they don't suffer from internal divisions.

papathrax wrote:Or we're just showing our inherent racism.

It this kind of responce that is an actual case of racism, it leads to the creation of an imaginary monster that we must all be guilty of, causing more divisions. the sooner people stop calling the race card at utter nonsence the sooner any real problems in society can be fixed.

Cheesecat wrote:

There's a black Cadian holding a flamer in the corner.

No there's not. The lip of his helmet and the angle he's at is causing shadow, making you think he's black.

Seriously. Look at his hand holding the flamer and the tip of his nose. It's the same shade as the other Cadians.

Henners91 wrote:With regards to skin colours; in the magical world of 40k, everyone on a planet is of one ethnicity. So all Cadians have purple eyes and fair blonde hair.

Actually, they're supposed to have violet eyes and dark hair usually brown or black. Fair hair is supposedly rare.

When a similiar topic came up a while ago I also thought "what about that black Cadian with the Flamer on that box" but when I went back to check I did notice that he was actually white. It's just the shading and a maybe a some tanning and grim he's picked up from frequent flamethrower use.

There are no black people in the 41st millennium, just like there is only one black guy in the whole Star Wars universe.

There is tons of ethnic diversity in 40k. There isn't much diversity in the studio armies but even then like half of Catachans are black.

The Glavians are universally black.

It's probably because 90% of new recruits die in the first action hey see.

Also, female, and mixed regiments are a lot rarer.

As for skin colour. Main clientelle?

Everyone has their part to play in the service of the Emperor.

Omegus wrote:There are no black people in the 41st millennium, just like there is only one black guy in the whole Star Wars universe.

hmm not really true - quite a few in the varied BL novels - some of which have been pointed out in the posts above. The studio artwork and models do tend to be less diverse iw ould concede..........

Both my main Imperial Guard army and my Sisters are quite diverse in skin colour

Omegus wrote:There are no black people in the 41st millennium, just like there is only one black guy in the whole Star Wars universe.

Lando Calrissian and Mace Windu are pretty major characters in the movies, and the novels and comics (which, unlike with 40k, are actually official canon) add to that number - General Oron Jaeger from the 501st, Admiral Tohri Challon of the Star Destroyer "Dauntless" are just two examples from a single comic series I've been reading a couple weeks ago.

As for 40k, note the Seraphim on the left on this official artwork.

Omegus wrote:There are no black people in the 41st millennium, just like there is only one black guy in the whole Star Wars universe.

Its propably best to take the blinkers off and actually read 40k fluff.

Obviously you've never seen a female in Army uniform, they are almost indistinguishable from men except for hands and faces. As for paint, I think it is much easier to paint a lighter skin color than darker.

Zalmout wrote:Obviously you've never seen a female in Army uniform, they are almost indistinguishable from men except for hands and faces. As for paint, I think it is much easier to paint a lighter skin color than darker.

These are both true (the painting is due to the colours made by GW), unfortunately a large majority of female IG wanters want the models to look like red snoja (which GW won't make as they don't want the flak).

Cheesecat wrote:

There's a black Cadian holding a flamer in the corner.

Might want to look again, mate, 'specially at the hands that are conspicuously the same shade as the other two blokes'. What you're seeing in his face is a phenomenon knows as "flamer tan".