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2011/09/09 18:04:08
Subject: Re:Which 40k faction annoys you the most?
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Grey Templar wrote:Definitly Eldar.
For a Race that did the most to screw the Galaxy over, they sure are snooty and arrogant little .
That's not exactly fair. The Eldar who are the snootiest are those of the Craftworlds which didn't spiral into decadence along with their empire. The Dark Eldar were the ones who screwed everything up and then threw another crazy party afterwords.
Thats like saying that Slavery in the United States was all the greedy white land owner's fault. Everyone forgets the Muslim slave traders who actually supplied slaves and had been doing so for hundreds of years.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Jimsolo wrote:Chaos. Specifically, Chaos Marines. They have very little in the way of logic to justify their motivations or their methods of operation.
How about the Imperium betraying the Thousand Sons and driving them into the hands of Tzeentch?
Change and change until Change is our master, for nothing neither God nor mortal can hold that which has no form. Change is the constant that cannot be changed.
No game of chess can be won without pawns, and this may prove to be a very long game.
The eldar that are alive today survived because they forsaw the death of their race. In that way they are kind of above those who destroyed it I guess (at least in my mind). They have seen their race be destroyed and as such might try to prevent others from doing so? Anyway...
I dislike space marines. The fluff aint too bad, but I dislike the whole "praise the emporer" rubbish. Let the old man die (preferably by being digested by a tyranid) and then we shall see what happens.
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2011/09/09 18:43:40
Subject: Re:Which 40k faction annoys you the most?
Jimsolo wrote:Chaos. Specifically, Chaos Marines. They have very little in the way of logic to justify their motivations or their methods of operation.
I'm certain that logic is not something that dictates the motivations of many people. In their eyes, they feel betrayed, and from their perspective, their reasoning was absolutely just. They felt the Emperor had abandoned them to ascend to Godhood. Well, look at him now, venerated by an empire of a million worlds. Their motivations are motivated by their emotions, which is hatred, logically they'd want to destroy that which they hate. I'm certain that a good portion have no motivations bar survival or carnage, which is as logical as the motivations of any race in the setting. They have perfect logic in the way they operate however.
Personally, it's the fething Necrons. Great concept, a race a undead space zombies reawakening from a million year slumber to harvest souls for their God like masters. What did they turn out to be? A Race with nearly no conceivable way of stopping them. At least the Tau, as annoyingly optimistic they are in my perfect world of grimdark, can be turned into Dark Eldar experiments or crushed easily by the Imperium, but the Necrons can't be fought realistically.
Ultrasmurfs as they either are not there when the fighting occurs or they lose. GK as Ward decided to make them the only chapter that never lost anyone to chaos when the BT were the only ones that I knew of that never lost anyone. Granted they may have in one of the offshoot chapters but not BT going on crusades. Then there is Chaos I mean come on give it up already your not even getting past Cadia there is no way you will make it to Terra. Just admit you were wrong and come back home so we can kill all these xenos and go back to rulling the galaxy...oh and leave the spikes alone for once sheesh.
d3m01iti0n wrote:
BT uses the Codex Astartes as toilet paper. They’re an Imp Fist successor, recruit from multiple planets, and are known to be the largest Chapter in the galaxy. They’re on a constant Crusade, keeping it real for the Emperor and not bumming around like the other guys. They hate psykers and can’t ally with them. They’re basically an entire chapter of Chaplains. CC lunatics. What every Space Marine should aspire to be, if not trapped in a Matt Ward nightmare.
Akroma06 wrote:Ultrasmurfs as they either are not there when the fighting occurs or they lose. GK as Ward decided to make them the only chapter that never lost anyone to chaos when the BT were the only ones that I knew of that never lost anyone. Granted they may have in one of the offshoot chapters but not BT going on crusades. Then there is Chaos I mean come on give it up already your not even getting past Cadia there is no way you will make it to Terra. Just admit you were wrong and come back home so we can kill all these xenos and go back to rulling the galaxy...oh and leave the spikes alone for once sheesh.
Akroma06 wrote:Ultrasmurfs as they either are not there when the fighting occurs or they lose. GK as Ward decided to make them the only chapter that never lost anyone to chaos when the BT were the only ones that I knew of that never lost anyone. Granted they may have in one of the offshoot chapters but not BT going on crusades. Then there is Chaos I mean come on give it up already your not even getting past Cadia there is no way you will make it to Terra. Just admit you were wrong and come back home so we can kill all these xenos and go back to rulling the galaxy...oh and leave the spikes alone for once sheesh.
Aren't opinions funny to read?
??? Didn't know I was being comical. Guess I'm glad I made you laugh?
d3m01iti0n wrote:
BT uses the Codex Astartes as toilet paper. They’re an Imp Fist successor, recruit from multiple planets, and are known to be the largest Chapter in the galaxy. They’re on a constant Crusade, keeping it real for the Emperor and not bumming around like the other guys. They hate psykers and can’t ally with them. They’re basically an entire chapter of Chaplains. CC lunatics. What every Space Marine should aspire to be, if not trapped in a Matt Ward nightmare.
Akroma06 wrote:Ultrasmurfs as they either are not there when the fighting occurs or they lose. GK as Ward decided to make them the only chapter that never lost anyone to chaos when the BT were the only ones that I knew of that never lost anyone. Granted they may have in one of the offshoot chapters but not BT going on crusades. Then there is Chaos I mean come on give it up already your not even getting past Cadia there is no way you will make it to Terra. Just admit you were wrong and come back home so we can kill all these xenos and go back to rulling the galaxy...oh and leave the spikes alone for once sheesh.
Aren't opinions funny to read?
??? Didn't know I was being comical. Guess I'm glad I made you laugh?
For some of it at least, wasn't too sure about the middle bit about the Grey Knights, sounded semi-serious.
2011/09/09 19:35:20
Subject: Re:Which 40k faction annoys you the most?
Grey Templar wrote:To be fair, most other races have a reason to be Arrogant. the IoM is the most powerful empire in the Galaxy, Orks are Orks, Necrons get to exterminate all life every 100 billion years, Nomnomnom, Tau have that annoying Greater Good.
the Eldar once had something to brag about, but then their entire race got mind-raped by a Chaos god of their own creation.
and yet, they STILL act like they are superior. They forsee a possable future and try to alter it, but it happens anyway(often BECAUSE they meddeled with it)
You know.. Typical Eldar is faster, stronger, more intelligent, lives longer, has better connection with the warp, has access to superb technology, is culturally light years ahead and lives in much better conditions of typical human.. Among other things..
Eldar may be arrogant and stuck-up towards "lesser" (other) races. IoM is not only equally ignorant but also given the chance wipes them out completely. Not because they are a threat or did something wrong. They are not humans so they must be purged. Yeah, this is much better than being jackasses.....
And as others have pointed out: The Eldar who survived are descendants of those who opposed Slaanesh-creating lifestyle.
This is exactly like blaming loyalist chapters for something that traitor chapters are doing. Both are space marines, so it's 'their' fault.
Good things are good,.. so it's good
Keep our city clean.
Report your death to the Department of Expiration
There is no more arrogant, no more racist and no more idiotic race then them...
Then the new Grey Knights...
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Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
It's ironic that people love to complain about the Astartes attitude towards the Emperor when they have the least dogmatic and most pragmatic view of him.
I hate that Grey Knights are considered so pious for the same kinds of actions that people consider borderline heretical from chapters like the flesh tearers.
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Brother Coa wrote:The Eldar...
There is no more arrogant, no more racist and no more idiotic race then them...
Except for.... man?
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On the tabletop its the necrons, just because they just wont die. Fluff-wise I don't really have an issue with anyone, then again I'm not very well read. Meh.
Saim hann. They take the defiance and purity of the Eldar and defile it with their outrageous man hate. The Tau can be pissy, but their hearts are in the right places.
DiAF wrote:I dislike the DE. In the midst of all the grimdarkness of 40k they seem quite content and happy doing what they do. There's nothing tragic about them. They're like the rich kids in high school who complain that their life is so unfair, an that everyone is out to get them.
I like the models though, they look pretty cool
They'll all die in the end, their method of "immorality" gets weaker the older they get, and it can take an entire planets suffering for an older DE to get any kind of beneficial reaction from it. Eventually they simply require such levels of suffering so frequently it'll be impossible to achieve.
And once that happens it's time for some Slaanesh. Then they won't be so happy.
I see what you did there
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Akroma06 wrote:Ultrasmurfs as they either are not there when the fighting occurs or they lose. GK as Ward decided to make them the only chapter that never lost anyone to chaos when the BT were the only ones that I knew of that never lost anyone. Granted they may have in one of the offshoot chapters but not BT going on crusades. Then there is Chaos I mean come on give it up already your not even getting past Cadia there is no way you will make it to Terra. Just admit you were wrong and come back home so we can kill all these xenos and go back to rulling the galaxy...oh and leave the spikes alone for once sheesh.
Aren't opinions funny to read?
??? Didn't know I was being comical. Guess I'm glad I made you laugh?
For some of it at least, wasn't too sure about the middle bit about the Grey Knights, sounded semi-serious.
No I seriously cannot stand ultramarines those guys send me into a rage. Not because they are the poster boys or that they are blue/white, but rather they enforced the codex astartes after the heresy and pointed guns at anyone who didn't agree (in particular the Imp Fists). There actually used to be a thread on here about all the times a big battle happened and they weren't there or when they did fight they lost.
GK...well Ward wrote that so do I need more (internet stay back this isn't an invite for Ward hate...seriously)...in all seriousness there has been no proof that any true BT has ever fallen to chaos and infact it seems absurd that the super zealots that they are lost someone.
Chaos I guess I have less of an issue with but the marines with spikes gets old. Tzeentch always wins anyway. I mean you died and begin to rot so nurgle should win right, but so does tzeentch as that is a change from living to dead, decomp is also a change.
d3m01iti0n wrote:
BT uses the Codex Astartes as toilet paper. They’re an Imp Fist successor, recruit from multiple planets, and are known to be the largest Chapter in the galaxy. They’re on a constant Crusade, keeping it real for the Emperor and not bumming around like the other guys. They hate psykers and can’t ally with them. They’re basically an entire chapter of Chaplains. CC lunatics. What every Space Marine should aspire to be, if not trapped in a Matt Ward nightmare.
iproxtaco wrote:Personally, it's the fething Necrons. Great concept, a race a undead space zombies reawakening from a million year slumber to harvest souls for their God like masters. What did they turn out to be? A Race with nearly no conceivable way of stopping them. At least the Tau, as annoyingly optimistic they are in my perfect world of grimdark, can be turned into Dark Eldar experiments or crushed easily by the Imperium, but the Necrons can't be fought realistically.
Except that in almost every battle they are outnumbered, they're slow (But resilient), and the majority of them are mindless, making each solitary Necron Warrior overall less of a threat than a Space Marine. Necrons are hard to put down, and a terrifying foe on the battlefield. But they are not insurmountable. They are directly stated to not be so in the Necron codex actually. The only place Necrons really, truly dominate in 40k is in space, and even then Necron fleets have never appeared en masse.
Oddly enough, your complaints concerning the Necrons also can be said of Chaos, or the Tyranids actually (Who apparently would require the combined might of all the galaxy's races to defeat, lol).
Interesting.
Brother Coa wrote:The Eldar...
There is no more arrogant, no more racist and no more idiotic race then them...
Then the new Grey Knights...
The Eldar believe that if another race must die to preserve their own, then so be it.
The Imperium believes that if another race is not human, they are genetically inferior and unworthy of living.
I'm sorry, you can't say that the Eldar are more racist than the Imperium without trolling or being in denial.
And idiotic? The Horus Heresy wouldn't have even happened if Fulgrim just listened to Eldrad.
Which reminds me.
Eldrad: Waitwut you use Warp travel without knowing of Chaos?
Fulgrim: What's Chaos?
Eldrad:
2011/09/09 21:21:47
Subject: Re:Which 40k faction annoys you the most?
Grey Templar wrote:To be fair, most other races have a reason to be Arrogant. the IoM is the most powerful empire in the Galaxy, Orks are Orks, Necrons get to exterminate all life every 100 billion years, Nomnomnom, Tau have that annoying Greater Good.
the Eldar once had something to brag about, but then their entire race got mind-raped by a Chaos god of their own creation.
and yet, they STILL act like they are superior. They forsee a possable future and try to alter it, but it happens anyway(often BECAUSE they meddeled with it)
You know.. Typical Eldar is faster, stronger, more intelligent, lives longer, has better connection with the warp, has access to superb technology, is culturally light years ahead and lives in much better conditions of typical human.. Among other things..
Eldar may be arrogant and stuck-up towards "lesser" (other) races. IoM is not only equally ignorant but also given the chance wipes them out completely. Not because they are a threat or did something wrong. They are not humans so they must be purged. Yeah, this is much better than being jackasses.....
And as others have pointed out: The Eldar who survived are descendants of those who opposed Slaanesh-creating lifestyle.
This is exactly like blaming loyalist chapters for something that traitor chapters are doing. Both are space marines, so it's 'their' fault.
So the eldar we see now are like Amish elder? (If you know who the Amish are)
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
12 year olds mis-playing necrons, talking in Arnie impressions.
I get tired of having to explain the rules again and again for WBB, Gauss and Living Metal to a bunch of T-800 Wannabes
Also Blood Angles Blendernaught lists. They're just painful.
The Viletide: Daemons of Nurgle/Deathguard: 7400 pts
Disclples of the Dragon - Ad Mech - about 2000 pts GSC - about 2000 Pts
Rhulic Mercs - um...many...
Circle Oroboros - 300 Pts or so
Menoth - 300+ pts
2011/09/09 22:02:15
Subject: Re:Which 40k faction annoys you the most?
The Ecclesiarchy bothers me quite a bit. They make so many stupid and rash decisions that tend to reflect what I don't like about a lot of actual churches. Through millenia of zealous praise of the emperor, they've forgotten his original teachings and revere him as a God, which he himself rejected the idea of. Mix that in with xenophobia and heretical scares, and you get people like Inquisitor Karamazov.
But I guess without that you take away a large portion of the Imperium's rich lore, so I guess I should quit complaining.
Having been out of the loop for 20 years or so I have probably got a warped perspective. There are two factions I deeply disllike, both for different reasons:
1. Tau: for me they just jar totally with the setting. I was amazed when I came across them and just thought "you don't belong here". My initial thought looking at them was that they were a bit of a gimmick, an attempt to make 40k a bit manga-like. I don't dislike the idea or the technology and so on but I do not think they fit in with the background at all.
2. Chaos daemons. Again it's an age thing. I think they have both cheapened daemons (not in the financial sense but in terms of their power, etc). For me lesser daemons ought to be equivalent to heroes and greater daemons amongst the most powerful of the figures in the game. Now I find lesser daemones are just infantry, no better than other warriors in effect. I would much rather see daemons as the elite core of a force of CM or renegade cultists. Entire armies of daemons just seems wrong, I think of them as rare and deadly visitors from the warp who would only form a small hard core of chaos forces not the whole strength. Also I hate the mixing of the chaos gods, the whole idea initially was that the gods were competitors and the opposing pairs of Khorne-Slaanesh and Nurgle-Tzeentch hated one another. They would never fight together and would rather kill one another. The impression you got was that if chaos did unite it would sweep the galaxy but its in-built hatred and competitiveness with itself meant it could not do so. I dislike that single god armies are now broadly unworkable and you need to mix to get a decent force. I would love a Nurgle force but I would want a mix of daemons, CM and renegade IG and cultists.
Void__Dragon wrote:
I'm sorry, you can't say that the Eldar are more racist than the Imperium without trolling or being in denial.
The difference is that Eldar are like that from the very beginning, and Humanity became like that after every alien race ( except Tau ) tried to eradicate them ( Age of Strife ). And I know Imperium are racist, I was talking about Humanity. And seeing how individuals act sometimes I would say that not all of Humanity is racist toward aliens. While all Eldar are.
And idiotic?:
Quite, just see DoW II campaign.
Idranel: We shall destroy that Human world of Meridian and then the Hive Fleet wll turn around and Ulthve will be spared.
Random Eldar: But why wouldn't we ally ourselves with Humans? It seems that they are planing on making weapon against Tyranids, a weapon that can be used...
Idranel: No, because that would be un-Eldar behavior. Besides, my vision showed me that we shall be victorious!!!
And we all know what happened in the end...
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Void__Dragon wrote:The Horus Heresy wouldn't have even happened if Fulgrim just listened to Eldrad.
Which reminds me.
Eldrad: Waitwut you use Warp travel without knowing of Chaos?
Fulgrim: What's Chaos?
Eldrad:
This was epic fail for Eldars. I mean, Eldrad saw that Horus was fallen but failed to see that Fulgrim has fallen to?
And when Fulgrim slaughter his warriors he tought that Imperium ahs done that?
Epic fail for a race that can see into the future...
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For Emperor and Imperium!!!! None shall stand against the Crusade of the Righteous!!! Kanluwen wrote: "I like the Tau. I just don't like people misconstruing things to say that it means that they're somehow a huge galactic threat. They're not. They're a threat to the Imperium of Man like sharks are a threat to the US Army."
"Pain is temporary, honor is forever" Emperor of Mankind:
"The day I have a sit-down with a pansy elf, magic mushroom, or commie frog is the day I put a bolt shell in my head."
in your name it shall be done" My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/2SSSR2
Viersche wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
the Emperor might be the greatest psyker that ever lived, but he doesn't have the specialized training that a Grey Knight has. Also he doesn't have a Grey Knight's unshakable faith in the Emperor.
The Emperor doesn't have a GKs unshakable faith in the Emperor which is....basically himself?
Ronin wrote:
"Brother Coa (and the OP Tadashi) is like, the biggest IoM fanboy I can think of here. It's like he IS from the Imperium, sent back in time and across dimensions."
Rockiroad278 wrote:The Ecclesiarchy bothers me quite a bit. They make so many stupid and rash decisions that tend to reflect what I don't like about a lot of actual churches. Through millenia of zealous praise of the emperor, they've forgotten his original teachings and revere him as a God, which he himself rejected the idea of. Mix that in with xenophobia and heretical scares, and you get people like Inquisitor Karamazov.
But I guess without that you take away a large portion of the Imperium's rich lore, so I guess I should quit complaining.
Well, to be fair, Karamazov isn't part of the Ecclesiarchy, and the Ecclesiarchy has some pretty good reasons for turning out like it did.
Brother Coa wrote:The difference is that Eldar are like that from the very beginning, and Humanity became like that after every alien race ( except Tau ) tried to eradicate them ( Age of Strife ). And I know Imperium are racist, I was talking about Humanity. And seeing how individuals act sometimes I would say that not all of Humanity is racist toward aliens. While all Eldar are.
Quite, just see DoW II campaign.
Idranel: We shall destroy that Human world of Meridian and then the Hive Fleet wll turn around and Ulthve will be spared.
Random Eldar: But why wouldn't we ally ourselves with Humans? It seems that they are planing on making weapon against Tyranids, a weapon that can be used...
Idranel: No, because that would be un-Eldar behavior. Besides, my vision showed me that we shall be victorious!!!
And we all know what happened in the end...
The Eldar weren't like that from the very beginning. The only beef the Craftworld Eldar have with humanity is humanity's rampant xenophobia and their tendency to take what isn't theirs. Eldrad jumped at the chance to reason with what he hoped were humans who weren't as ignorant and xenophobic as he had come to expect, and to warn them of their Warmaster's betrayal. The Age of Strife was primarily caused by the rise of psykers among humanity, and massive Warp Storms cutting humanity off. Most humans are racist towards aliens. Being xenophobic is part of their belief structure.
I give not a single gak about what Dawn of "MEHTAL BAWKSES" War has them doing, and I've actually heard multiple people complain about how uncharacteristically stupid the Eldar were in it.
Brother Coa wrote:This was epic fail for Eldars. I mean, Eldrad saw that Horus was fallen but failed to see that Fulgrim has fallen to?
And when Fulgrim slaughter his warriors he tought that Imperium ahs done that?
Epic fail for a race that can see into the future...
I know right? How dare Eldrad have the audacity to be not be omniscient!? Who does he think he is!?
The Chaos Gods were deliberately blocking and shrouding his foresight, he only got the bare gist of what he saw, he didn't even get Horus' name, or specifics. It is no fault of your own that your foresight can be blocked by the Chaos Gods.
And thing is, humanity is bad about handling the Warp in general, Eldrad suspected that, but Fulgrim confirmed that in his eyes. Eldrad tried to make peace with Fulgrim, but Fulgrim attacked him and slaughtered his warriors. Wow, what a jerk, how dare he be angry about his men being slaughtered.
Blood Angels. Everything in the codex was cool. Then they started dropping hints of Chaos infestation. Or did I misunderstand? Mephiston the blood stuff.
40kFSU wrote:Blood Angels. Everything in the codex was cool. Then they started dropping hints of Chaos infestation. Or did I misunderstand? Mephiston the blood stuff.
But that was the best part!
Mephiston being possessed by a Daemon, kekekekekekekeke.
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters..
I guess yall are right, it just gets old for me. I mean, really? Everyone is possessed, corrupted, or on the verge? Its hard enough to root for the IoM. Sheesh, I think Ill start painting Tau.