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2011/09/09 01:26:14
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Deadshane1 wrote: Some of us are discussing a serious subject that has emotional content for many people.
Reality shows have emotional content for people, too, doesn't make reality shows any less vapid.
So the subject of 9/11 is Vapid?
Never said it was. I'm saying that being emotionally invested in something doesn't mean it's worthwhile.
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2011/09/09 01:26:59
Subject: Re:Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
One thing it states is that no explosions or "squibs" were heard....
Completely untrue, in fact many eyewitnesses actually told of hearing multiple rapid explosions before the collapse....
That's one thing...there are others, but they're not really worth the time. Your video is pretty much not worthy of attention. Whoever made it didnt do their homework...obviously.
I honestly do not think the US government has the collective cognitive capacity or the trust and solidarity to pull this off, and if they did, someone would have probably blew the whistle by now.
For instance, who were the pilots that someone convinced it was a good idea to do this? Also, there is no way they could have predicted how things would turn out in the aftermath with enough
certainty to know they wouldn't be swinging from the gallows. I'll admit that tower 7 looks a bit suspicious, but I do not pretend to know enough about demolitions to bother commenting on that.
Seriously though, some of you people need to calm down. It is no less of a legitimate topic than a lot of topics that blow through here on any given day, try acting like adults.
2011/09/09 01:41:25
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
I'm sure it is...just like the videos that insist that 9/11 was an inside job also have their falsehoods...
The point it is there are arguments for both sides and using logic based on the outcome of other such arguments (see the JFK assassination), we'll probably never know exactly what happened...
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2011/09/09 01:49:25
Subject: Re:Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Grabzak Dirtyfighter wrote:I honestly do not think the US government has the collective cognitive capacity or the trust and solidarity to pull this off, and if they did, someone would have probably blew the whistle by now.
For instance, who were the pilots that someone convinced it was a good idea to do this? Also, there is no way they could have predicted how things would turn out in the aftermath with enough
certainty to know they wouldn't be swinging from the gallows. I'll admit that tower 7 looks a bit suspicious, but I do not pretend to know enough about demolitions to bother commenting on that.
Seriously though, some of you people need to calm down. It is no less of a legitimate topic than a lot of topics that blow through here on any given day, try acting like adults.
A constructive way to disagree with the conspiracy theory....thank you. Have to wade thru a page of useless and childish arguments against first, but nonetheless, thank you.
EDIT: Actually, the video wanst a horrible way to disagree. I just didnt feel it presented a very good arguement.
Personally, I think the Government ABSOLUTELY has the stones to pull something like this off. Grease the right palms and you get what you want...You don't have to do much to get past the people. Look at this thread, disbeleivers that simply close their eyes to evidence.
People don't WANT to beleive that their elected officials could be capable of these horrific things...it's scary. Easier to hide under the covers....and they don't even NEED evidence that things are as they say they are.
Who were the pilots? We may never know. Think about it though, I'm betting that they were family men that were well paid for their silence. That situation will silence people easily if the right ideas are passed along....that, or the pilots are simply dead.
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WARORK93 wrote:
Beerfart wrote:
WARORK93 wrote:I'll just leave this here...
This video itself is full of falsehoods.
I'm sure it is...just like the videos that insist that 9/11 was an inside job also have their falsehoods...
The point it is there are arguments for both sides and using logic based on the outcome of other such arguments (see the JFK assassination), we'll probably never know exactly what happened...
Absolutely there are arguements for both sides. That's what we're trying to see here. I doubt that DAKKADAKKA will "Solve" the issues once and for all, but we're here to discuss.
That's what OT is for....not for calling people stupid and telling us that the subject isnt worth discussion.
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I'll tell you this... my country of 34 million people has spent 92 billion dollars on security since 9/11.
I'm not saying "they" (the government, the trillionaire multicorps, the dolphins, the intergalactic lizard people) orchestrated the attacks, but "they" sure are cashing in.
For anyone who can't get why "they" might have an interest in promoting unrest, it's this: peace ain't profitable. Up to and including WW2, wars have always been excellent ways of stimulating economies and making the rich, richer. of course, after the war the loser gets fiscally raped, but that's what you get when your brave young men aren't brave enough and your wily old men aren't wily enough.
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2011/09/09 02:00:34
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
feeder wrote:I'll tell you this... my country of 34 million people has spent 92 billion dollars on security since 9/11.
I'm not saying "they" (the government, the trillionaire multicorps, the dolphins, the intergalactic lizard people) orchestrated the attacks, but "they" sure are cashing in.
For anyone who can't get why "they" might have an interest in promoting unrest, it's this: peace ain't profitable. Up to and including WW2, wars have always been excellent ways of stimulating economies and making the rich, richer. of course, after the war the loser gets fiscally raped, but that's what you get when your brave young men aren't brave enough and your wily old men aren't wily enough.
RatBot wrote:You must have an awful lot of faith in the US Government's competency to believe that they could pull this off and cover it up so well.
I, on the other hand, do not.
What did they cover up?
Building 7....no explanation.
This is the same Gov't that flew copters into pakistan and killed Bin Laden before Pakistan even knew we were there.
We've got tanks that are so tough that even WE cannot destroy them (army friend gave me an example of this...beleive it)
U.S. is capable...beleive it.
Besides....
It's not the U.S. Governments abilities to cover crap up, its the populace that refuses to question info given to them when things don't add up. It's scary that our Gov't would be capable of this, don't hide....GET MAD!
If I die in the next cataclysmic event of violence to happen to this country....watch the info as it's fed to you.
Don't accept it, WATCH it. I would WANT you to watch it. Because if my gov't is responsible for my death just so that they can get more control over oil, stimulate the economy, or remove more of the populace freedoms (patriot act)....that sh!t aint right!
We OWE it to the people who died on 9/11 to DEMAND EXPLANATION. We owe it to them to ensure that our government isnt hiding anything. We owe it to them to get the complete and total truth.
It's the only honorable thing to do.
There are 1000 things that I want to know about these events, others want to know as well. Our government OWES it to the people to tell us what happened. (they know) If they are found to be responsible, then a radical evaluation needs to be made as to our government. The founding fathers are already rolling over in their graves about how this country is run.
We OWE it to the 9/11 victims to ask questions. Beleive that.
feeder wrote:I'll tell you this... my country of 34 million people has spent 92 billion dollars on security since 9/11.
I'm not saying "they" (the government, the trillionaire multicorps, the dolphins, the intergalactic lizard people) orchestrated the attacks, but "they" sure are cashing in.
For anyone who can't get why "they" might have an interest in promoting unrest, it's this: peace ain't profitable. Up to and including WW2, wars have always been excellent ways of stimulating economies and making the rich, richer. of course, after the war the loser gets fiscally raped, but that's what you get when your brave young men aren't brave enough and your wily old men aren't wily enough.
And I'll tell you this: My country of 300,000,000 is a much bigger target than Canada. When you want to make a message heard, do you hit the CN Tower? No. You hit the Empire State Building. You hit the Statue of Liberty.
You're country is a non-threat. When was the last time you were attacked by Extremists from the outside in a magnitude of September 11th? You have no idea what it feels like.
Every Normal Man Must Be Tempted At Times To Spit On His Hands, Hoist That Black Flag, And Begin Slitting Throats.
2011/09/09 02:21:40
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
What I've never understood is if the U.S. orchestrated this attack (which is complete bs), why did they hit the Pentagon and then attempt to hit the White House with the Plane that was taken down by the passengers and crashed into a field in Pennsylvania?
I'm not going to debate with children who buy into every conspiracy theory they hear. We didn't attack ourselves, 'Despite the tense topic, rule #1 still applies. Disagree, but do it politely' MT11.
Beerfart wrote:
RatBot wrote:You must have an awful lot of faith in the US Government's competency to believe that they could pull this off and cover it up so well.
I, on the other hand, do not.
What did they cover up?
Building 7....no explanation.
This is the same Gov't that flew copters into pakistan and killed Bin Laden before Pakistan even knew we were there.
We've got tanks that are so tough that even WE cannot destroy them (army friend gave me an example of this...beleive it)
U.S. is capable...beleive it.
Besides....
It's not the U.S. Governments abilities to cover crap up, its the populace that refuses to question info given to them when things don't add up. It's scary that our Gov't would be capable of this, don't hide....GET MAD!
If I die in the next cataclysmic event of violence to happen to this country....watch the info as it's fed to you.
Don't accept it, WATCH it. I would WANT you to watch it. Because if my gov't is responsible for my death just so that they can get more control over oil, stimulate the economy, or remove more of the populace freedoms (patriot act)....that sh!t aint right!
We OWE it to the people who died on 9/11 to DEMAND EXPLANATION. We owe it to them to ensure that our government isnt hiding anything. We owe it to them to get the complete and total truth.
It's the only honorable thing to do.
There are 1000 things that I want to know about these events, others want to know as well. Our government OWES it to the people to tell us what happened. (they know) If they are found to be responsible, then a radical evaluation needs to be made as to our government. The founding fathers are already rolling over in their graves about how this country is run.
We OWE it to the 9/11 victims to ask questions. Beleive that.
Oh hello post with lots of fearmongering, painting our government has the Illuminati. Do you also believe Woopie Goldberg is a Martian?
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2011/09/09 02:22:00
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
You say we haven't looked at the evidence and demanded answers. WE HAVE, and the more plausible answer(that it was terrorists) is what the evidence points us to.
You claim we're ignorant for not seeing it, we say you're ignorant for not seeing our way. That's why these "discussions" never work, because we all came in with our minds made up and looking to fight.
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You know you're really doing something when you can make strangers hate you over the Internet. - Mauleed
Just remember folks. Panic. Panic all the time. It's the only way to survive, other than just being mindful, of course-but geez, that's so friggin' boring. - Aegis Grimm
Hallowed is the All Pie The Before Times: A Place That Celebrates The World That Was
2011/09/09 02:23:50
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
feeder wrote:I'll tell you this... my country of 34 million people has spent 92 billion dollars on security since 9/11.
I'm not saying "they" (the government, the trillionaire multicorps, the dolphins, the intergalactic lizard people) orchestrated the attacks, but "they" sure are cashing in.
For anyone who can't get why "they" might have an interest in promoting unrest, it's this: peace ain't profitable. Up to and including WW2, wars have always been excellent ways of stimulating economies and making the rich, richer. of course, after the war the loser gets fiscally raped, but that's what you get when your brave young men aren't brave enough and your wily old men aren't wily enough.
And I'll tell you this: My country of 300,000,000 is a much bigger target than Canada. When you want to make a message heard, do you hit the CN Tower? No. You hit the Empire State Building. You hit the Statue of Liberty.
You're country is a non-threat. When was the last time you were attacked by Extremists from the outside in a magnitude of September 11th? You have no idea what it feels like.
Don't think that 9/11 didnt effect Canada. That's naive and selfish....and beside the point.
Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I literally cannot think of any fething rational reason why people think the US government crashed planes into its own industrial centers, with civilians on them. It boggles my mind why people think these things. It's on the fething level of the people that think genetic engineers control the world and there's sterilants in the water. It's so galactically stupid that I can't possibly fathom how you could ever trust your own judgement after saying, with conviction, 'The United States blew up its own gak with loaded planes'.
Get your head out of the 40k codex and think on a larger scale.
Money and power is what motivates government, those two things come before the lives of a couple thousand worker bees.
Arright, let's play this game.
The United States government issued an order to fly planes into the World Trade Center. They tell the president to act like he feels sorry for the people. They make up the story about him reading to the kids before he learned what happened.
And then they declare war on the Middle East several years later. Somehow, they get multiple other countries to participate in this War on Terror, and they forge numbers about dead friendlies and enemies. Everyone is complacent.
So I say to you,
What in the holy mother of feth does that achieve?
You're trying to tell me that they'd do this for money and power? That somehow getting attacked, starting a war, and *getting other countries to cooperate*, with all this evidence of the people that are actually trying to kill every American, with all the attempted attacks that never came to fruition and those we have in Guantanamo Bay, you're trying to tell me that this is all staged?
Yknow what? I'm done. feth this new world order gak. I'm out.
Don't forget about when they told Bin Laden to take credit for planning it.
I'm glad that all that money they did it for was a huge boon to the economy.
Oh, wait...
Don't forget the fact that gas prices dropped and we now enjoy incredibly cheap gas... wait a second...
2011/09/09 02:25:19
Subject: Re:Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Karon wrote:What I've never understood is if the U.S. orchestrated this attack (which is complete bs), why did they hit the Pentagon and then attempt to hit the White House with the Plane that was taken down by the passengers and crashed into a field in Pennsylvania?
I'm not going to debate with children who buy into every conspiracy theory they hear. 'Edited for Rule 1 violation' MT11
Beerfart wrote:
RatBot wrote:You must have an awful lot of faith in the US Government's competency to believe that they could pull this off and cover it up so well.
I, on the other hand, do not.
What did they cover up?
Building 7....no explanation.
This is the same Gov't that flew copters into pakistan and killed Bin Laden before Pakistan even knew we were there.
We've got tanks that are so tough that even WE cannot destroy them (army friend gave me an example of this...beleive it)
U.S. is capable...beleive it.
Besides....
It's not the U.S. Governments abilities to cover crap up, its the populace that refuses to question info given to them when things don't add up. It's scary that our Gov't would be capable of this, don't hide....GET MAD!
If I die in the next cataclysmic event of violence to happen to this country....watch the info as it's fed to you.
Don't accept it, WATCH it. I would WANT you to watch it. Because if my gov't is responsible for my death just so that they can get more control over oil, stimulate the economy, or remove more of the populace freedoms (patriot act)....that sh!t aint right!
We OWE it to the people who died on 9/11 to DEMAND EXPLANATION. We owe it to them to ensure that our government isnt hiding anything. We owe it to them to get the complete and total truth.
It's the only honorable thing to do.
There are 1000 things that I want to know about these events, others want to know as well. Our government OWES it to the people to tell us what happened. (they know) If they are found to be responsible, then a radical evaluation needs to be made as to our government. The founding fathers are already rolling over in their graves about how this country is run.
We OWE it to the 9/11 victims to ask questions. Beleive that.
Oh hello post with lots of fearmongering, painting our government has the Illuminati. Do you also believe Woopie Goldberg is a Martian?
Your post was so helpful, informative and full of relevant info and evidence that I'm going to give it exactly the amount of responce it is due....
....there you go.
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Chowderhead wrote:
Beerfart wrote:
kronk wrote:Terrorist attack.
Why? They hate America.
In certain ways, I hate America. (BTW:I live here because the rest of the world sucks worse to live in)
I don't attack it.
I've got better things to do....
Amsterdam. Stockholm. Sydney. Vancouver. All of which are better places to live than in any other state in the US, save for a few.
They are also cheap places to live. The door's open if you want to move to Canada. No-one will blame you. It's actually what I've been planning to do.
All that is relative. The U.S. is the best place for me to be....right now.
As a Citizen I have absolutely every right to question my Gov't....you do to.
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feeder wrote:I'll tell you this... my country of 34 million people has spent 92 billion dollars on security since 9/11.
I'm not saying "they" (the government, the trillionaire multicorps, the dolphins, the intergalactic lizard people) orchestrated the attacks, but "they" sure are cashing in.
For anyone who can't get why "they" might have an interest in promoting unrest, it's this: peace ain't profitable. Up to and including WW2, wars have always been excellent ways of stimulating economies and making the rich, richer. of course, after the war the loser gets fiscally raped, but that's what you get when your brave young men aren't brave enough and your wily old men aren't wily enough.
And I'll tell you this: My country of 300,000,000 is a much bigger target than Canada. When you want to make a message heard, do you hit the CN Tower? No. You hit the Empire State Building. You hit the Statue of Liberty.
You're country is a non-threat. When was the last time you were attacked by Extremists from the outside in a magnitude of September 11th? You have no idea what it feels like.
Don't think that 9/11 didnt effect Canada. That's naive and selfish....and beside the point.
Please explain to me where exactly I said that it didn't affect Canada. I never said that. I said they didn't feel the full effect. I was wondering whether half my family was dead for days. I know many people across the world were feeling that way as well. And some were sadly correct in their assumptions.
Every Normal Man Must Be Tempted At Times To Spit On His Hands, Hoist That Black Flag, And Begin Slitting Throats.
2011/09/09 02:29:13
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
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