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2011/09/09 03:42:19
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Beerfart wrote:We could argue all day the possibilities or not of the twin towers toppling...but building 7 is something most non-conspiracy theorists avoid...because it's a sore subject...one that they really cannot explain.
Yes we can, and I have been explaining it to you.
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2011/09/09 03:42:37
Subject: Re:Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Beerfart wrote:
I see many of ways to refute what you've claimed here, but it would take books of text to type out where I feel that you're mistaken and/or simply wrong. (one fact is that jet fuel burns off fast and regular office fires do not weaken huge steel support beams...but whatever)
It's much easier to analyse building 7 that's why I focus on that. Not that there is much of a cover up there, no cover up, no explanation, nothing....except video that produces what looks exactly like a controlled demolition.
We could argue all day the possibilities or not of the twin towers toppling...but building 7 is something most non-conspiracy theorists avoid...because it's a sore subject...one that they really cannot explain.
Look, actually look into the engineering aspects, stories, accounts and evidence behind the twin towers falling and it just makes it worse.
Look, I may only be in the fourth year of my biochemistry major, I may have gotten a C in physics and physics 2, and I may have gotten an A in my philosophy class, but I think I know the difference between actual science and trying to put philosophy into hard sciences.
Okay...I guess. However, irrelevant.
Like most of what you have said, you're putting hidden meanings into hard sciences and that is not something that can not be done unless you happen to work at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry.
2011/09/09 03:44:29
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Beerfart wrote:I don't see how anyone who actually looks at videos, pictures, photographs, listens to experts, and who can analyse data can actually think that it wasnt a Government Conspiracy.
Because they've looked at the videos, pictures, photographs, listened to experts, and analyzed the data.
Not really...no.
If one looks at all the evidence, ALL OF IT, and believes it to actually be the result of a terrorist attack, there are still large gaping holes.
...Ones that some people (like myself who was effected) still want answers for.
That or you simply accept some of the drivel that's fed to the populace...and go hide.
Beerfart wrote:I don't see how anyone who actually looks at videos, pictures, photographs, listens to experts, and who can analyse data can actually think that it wasnt a Government Conspiracy.
Because they've looked at the videos, pictures, photographs, listened to experts, and analyzed the data.
Not really...no.
If one looks at all the evidence, ALL OF IT, and believes it to actually be the result of a terrorist attack, there are still large gaping holes.
...Ones that some people (like myself who was effected) still want answers for.
That or you simply accept some of the drivel that's fed to the populace...and go hide.
So what's one of these gaping holes, Hmm? Because I disproved Tower Seven, that a Plane couldn't bring down the Twin Towers, and every other piece of mindless trash you have.
Come on. Let's pit conspiracy against logic and see who the victor is. I know who my bet's on.
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2011/09/09 03:46:13
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Beerfart wrote:I don't see how anyone who actually looks at videos, pictures, photographs, listens to experts, and who can analyse data can actually think that it wasnt a Government Conspiracy.
Because they've looked at the videos, pictures, photographs, listened to experts, and analyzed the data.
Not really...no.
Yes really, yes.
ALL the evidence fills those holes quite nicely, unless you decide not to read it or believe it due to being presented by certain groups.
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2011/09/09 03:48:42
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Perhaps he believes that there's no chemistry majors on this forum to contradict him?
When steel gets hot-- I mean extremely hot-- it loses its structural integrity. It does not have to get close to its melting point to do so. The hotter it gets, the more structural integrity it loses.
Steel is a strong material because of the various intermolecular forces (which in steel's case are quite strong thus resulting in a high melting point) and how the molecules interact with eachother. But as the molecules absorb more energy-- through being heated up-- the energy makes actions which break or change these intermolecular attractions easier.
The cheese example I gave before comes to mind-- take cold hard cheese. You can't really bend it, you break and crumble it instead. But heat it up enough, and it bends even if it's not yet melted, but it'll eventually break. Heat it up more, and it bends even easier without breaking-- gradually taking more and more properties of a liquid, until finally it melts, at which point it takes on the properties of liquids entirely.
Don't think melting steel is like melting ice... it's not. The molecular interactions between various water molecules are quite different.
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2011/09/09 03:49:13
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Beerfart wrote:I don't see how anyone who actually looks at videos, pictures, photographs, listens to experts, and who can analyse data can actually think that it wasnt a Government Conspiracy.
Because they've looked at the videos, pictures, photographs, listened to experts, and analyzed the data.
Not really...no.
If one looks at all the evidence, ALL OF IT, and believes it to actually be the result of a terrorist attack, there are still large gaping holes.
...Ones that some people (like myself who was effected) still want answers for.
That or you simply accept some of the drivel that's fed to the populace...and go hide.
The fact that you were affected doesn't matter, in fact it means that you may be incredibly biased in this "debate" if you want to call it that.
The fact that you have been given science, science that is accepted internationally as being true, seriously the US government doesn't have the ability to change the laws of physics like you may believe they do, and are just saying that we don't understand it because we're not looking at the evidence. Evidence like the fire being incredibly hot, Building 7 being hit by debris, the impact destroying the outer perimeter that held the building up, etc which all point to what is widely believed to have happened.
2011/09/09 03:49:50
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Melissia wrote:Perhaps he believes that there's no chemistry majors on this forum to contradict him?
When steel gets hot-- I mean extremely hot-- it loses its structural integrity. It does not have to get close to its melting point to do so. The hotter it gets, the more structural integrity it loses.
Steel is a strong material because of the various intermolecular forces (which in steel's case are quite strong thus resulting in a high melting point) and how the molecules interact with eachother. But as the molecules absorb more energy-- through being heated up-- the energy makes actions which break or change these intermolecular attractions easier.
The cheese example I gave before comes to mind-- take cold hard cheese. You can't really bend it, you break and crumble it instead. But heat it up enough, and it bends even if it's not yet melted, but it'll eventually break. Heat it up more, and it bends even easier without breaking-- gradually taking more and more properties of a liquid, until finally it melts, at which point it takes on the properties of liquids entirely.
Don't think melting steel is like melting ice... it's not. The molecular interactions between various water molecules are quite different.
Thank you very much, Mel. I have stated this in the past, though he seems to just ignore it. I hope he won't ignore this.
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2011/09/09 03:50:38
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Melissia wrote:Perhaps he believes that there's no chemistry majors on this forum to contradict him?
When steel gets hot-- I mean extremely hot-- it loses its structural integrity. It does not have to get close to its melting point to do so. The hotter it gets, the more structural integrity it loses.
Steel is a strong material because of the various intermolecular forces (which in steel's case are quite strong thus resulting in a high melting point) and how the molecules interact with eachother. But as the molecules absorb more energy-- through being heated up-- the energy makes actions which break or change these intermolecular attractions easier.
The cheese example I gave before comes to mind-- take cold hard cheese. You can't really bend it, you break and crumble it instead. But heat it up enough, and it bends even if it's not yet melted, but it'll eventually break. Heat it up more, and it bends even easier without breaking-- gradually taking more and more properties of a liquid, until finally it melts, at which point it takes on the properties of liquids entirely.
Don't think melting steel is like melting ice... it's not. The molecular interactions between various water molecules are quite different.
Thank you very much, Mel. I have stated this in the past, though he seems to just ignore it. I hope he won't ignore this.
I was about to say, wasn't this sort of thing posted earlier?
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2011/09/09 03:50:39
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Melissia wrote:Perhaps he believes that there's no chemistry majors on this forum to contradict him?
When steel gets hot-- I mean extremely hot-- it loses its structural integrity. It does not have to get close to its melting point to do so. The hotter it gets, the more structural integrity it loses.
Steel is a strong material because of the various intermolecular forces (which in steel's case are quite strong thus resulting in a high melting point) and how the molecules interact with eachother. But as the molecules absorb more energy-- through being heated up-- the energy makes actions which break or change these intermolecular attractions easier.
The cheese example I gave before comes to mind-- take cold hard cheese. You can't really bend it, you break and crumble it instead. But heat it up enough, and it bends even if it's not yet melted, but it'll eventually break. Heat it up more, and it bends even easier without breaking-- gradually taking more and more properties of a liquid, until finally it melts, at which point it takes on the properties of liquids entirely.
Don't think melting steel is like melting ice... it's not. The molecular interactions between various water molecules are quite different.
Thank you very much, Mel. I have stated this in the past, though he seems to just ignore it. I hope he won't ignore this.
He will, I said the same thing and he said I wasn't looking at the actual evidence. I guess science and evidence aren't the same thing.
Beerfart, I challenge you to bring proof that the fire was not hot enough to degrade the structural integrity of the steel, that debris from the WTC did not hit building 7, and that the force of gravity would not have caused the building to collapse. So far you have produced nothing hard.
2011/09/09 03:54:08
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Melissia wrote:Perhaps he believes that there's no chemistry majors on this forum to contradict him?
When steel gets hot-- I mean extremely hot-- it loses its structural integrity. It does not have to get close to its melting point to do so. The hotter it gets, the more structural integrity it loses.
Steel is a strong material because of the various intermolecular forces (which in steel's case are quite strong thus resulting in a high melting point) and how the molecules interact with eachother. But as the molecules absorb more energy-- through being heated up-- the energy makes actions which break or change these intermolecular attractions easier.
The cheese example I gave before comes to mind-- take cold hard cheese. You can't really bend it, you break and crumble it instead. But heat it up enough, and it bends even if it's not yet melted, but it'll eventually break. Heat it up more, and it bends even easier without breaking-- gradually taking more and more properties of a liquid, until finally it melts, at which point it takes on the properties of liquids entirely.
Don't think melting steel is like melting ice... it's not. The molecular interactions between various water molecules are quite different.
Thank you very much, Mel. I have stated this in the past, though he seems to just ignore it. I hope he won't ignore this.
He will, I said the same thing and he said I wasn't looking at the actual evidence. I guess science and evidence aren't the same thing.
Beerfart, I challenge you to bring proof that the fire was not hot enough to degrade the structural integrity of the steel, that debris from the WTC did not hit building 7, and that the force of gravity would not have caused the building to collapse So far you have produced nothing hard.
sorry, couldn't help a "thats what she said"
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2011/09/09 04:00:54
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
feeder wrote:I'll tell you this... my country of 34 million people has spent 92 billion dollars on security since 9/11.
I'm not saying "they" (the government, the trillionaire multicorps, the dolphins, the intergalactic lizard people) orchestrated the attacks, but "they" sure are cashing in.
For anyone who can't get why "they" might have an interest in promoting unrest, it's this: peace ain't profitable. Up to and including WW2, wars have always been excellent ways of stimulating economies and making the rich, richer. of course, after the war the loser gets fiscally raped, but that's what you get when your brave young men aren't brave enough and your wily old men aren't wily enough.
And I'll tell you this: My country of 300,000,000 is a much bigger target than Canada. When you want to make a message heard, do you hit the CN Tower? No. You hit the Empire State Building. You hit the Statue of Liberty.
Your country is a non-threat. When was the last time you were attacked by Extremists from the outside in a magnitude of September 11th? You have no idea what it feels like.
I think you missed my point. I am using my country as an example because I read the figure (92 billion) in the paper yesterday morning. We spent a vast, vast sum of money, on security, and our biggest threat is domestic; drunken hockey fans/douchebags. Where did the money go? Partly to fly our CF-18s around a bit, partly to sail our destroyers around the Persian Gulf a bit, partly to send a few thousand troops over to get shot at for a while, and quite a large part to private security firms.
Assuming the per capita spending is the same, compared to Canada, the US has spent 800 billion on security since 9/11.
I would speculate that the worldwide post-9/11 security business has been the largest transfer of public money (taxes) to private pockets (security corps).
That guy walking around town with his not-cop uniform, sipping a coffee and checking out the skirts, his job is safe. I sweat my bag off all day, building the condo he is going to live in and get laid off when the project is finished. His job is pointless, he has nearly no training, and he essentially is someone who is paid to call the police when something dangerous goes down, like a homeless man sits down at a coffeshop. My job is essential; I am highly skilled.
WTF.
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2011/09/09 04:01:06
Subject: Re:Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Guys, if you have made your point, multiple times, move along now. Accept some will not agree, and some will. I do not want to see the same posters coming back in re-igniting the same circular arguement over and over. You said your piece, move on. You know who you are.
And on a personal note, I would advise you all to remember this was an extremely significant event no matter how you slice it in terms of the human impact. A lot of suffering came of this. Whomever you believe did it, whatever you think was behind it, treat the subject and the loss of life with a degree of respect please. Be smart enough to know that contradicting people aggressively on this topic will likely escalate. Be delicate if it is at all possible. I do not say this to edit anyone's opinion, but to remind that Rule #1 is in place for good bloody reasons sometimes. Discuss, but discuss as gentlemen as best you can please.
feeder wrote:I'll tell you this... my country of 34 million people has spent 92 billion dollars on security since 9/11.
I'm not saying "they" (the government, the trillionaire multicorps, the dolphins, the intergalactic lizard people) orchestrated the attacks, but "they" sure are cashing in.
For anyone who can't get why "they" might have an interest in promoting unrest, it's this: peace ain't profitable. Up to and including WW2, wars have always been excellent ways of stimulating economies and making the rich, richer. of course, after the war the loser gets fiscally raped, but that's what you get when your brave young men aren't brave enough and your wily old men aren't wily enough.
And I'll tell you this: My country of 300,000,000 is a much bigger target than Canada. When you want to make a message heard, do you hit the CN Tower? No. You hit the Empire State Building. You hit the Statue of Liberty.
Your country is a non-threat. When was the last time you were attacked by Extremists from the outside in a magnitude of September 11th? You have no idea what it feels like.
I think you missed my point. I am using my country as an example because I read the figure (92 billion) in the paper yesterday morning. We spent a vast, vast sum of money, on security, and our biggest threat is domestic; drunken hockey fans/douchebags. Where did the money go? Partly to fly our CF-18s around a bit, partly to sail our destroyers around the Persian Gulf a bit, partly to send a few thousand troops over to get shot at for a while, and quite a large part to private security firms.
Assuming the per capita spending is the same, compared to Canada, the US has spent 800 billion on security since 9/11.
I would speculate that the worldwide post-9/11 security business has been the largest transfer of public money (taxes) to private pockets (security corps).
That guy walking around town with his not-cop uniform, sipping a coffee and checking out the skirts, his job is safe. I sweat my bag off all day, building the condo he is going to live in and get laid off when the project is finished. His job is pointless, he has nearly no training, and he essentially is someone who is paid to call the police when something dangerous goes down, like a homeless man sits down at a coffeshop. My job is essential; I am highly skilled.
WTF.
Welcome to life, it's a wonderful thing when you don't think about it!
Yeah, yeah, I know. That's why I generally keep my head in the sand and try to be a good little cog in the machine.If you actually try to pay attention and make some sense of it all, you'll just go mad.
But....being a cog is no fun either.....so going mad seems like a nice little vacation away from the norm
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2011/09/09 04:10:17
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Beerfart wrote:I don't see how anyone who actually looks at videos, pictures, photographs, listens to experts, and who can analyse data can actually think that it wasnt a Government Conspiracy.
Because they've looked at the videos, pictures, photographs, listened to experts, and analyzed the data.
Not really...no.
If one looks at all the evidence, ALL OF IT, and believes it to actually be the result of a terrorist attack, there are still large gaping holes.
...Ones that some people (like myself who was effected) still want answers for.
That or you simply accept some of the drivel that's fed to the populace...and go hide.
So what's one of these gaping holes, Hmm? Because I disproved Tower Seven, that a Plane couldn't bring down the Twin Towers, and every other piece of mindless trash you have.
Come on. Let's pit conspiracy against logic and see who the victor is. I know who my bet's on.
You didnt disprove anything.
The structural damage was investigated and deemed NOT the cause of the collapse. Entertaining fictional video however.
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MajorTom11 wrote:Guys, if you have made your point, multiple times, move along now. Accept some will not agree, and some will. I do not want to see the same posters coming back in re-igniting the same circular arguement over and over. You said your piece, move on. You know who you are.
And on a personal note, I would advise you all to remember this was an extremely significant event no matter how you slice it in terms of the human impact. A lot of suffering came of this. Whomever you believe did it, whatever you think was behind it, treat the subject and the loss of life with a degree of respect please. Be smart enough to know that contradicting people aggressively on this topic will likely escalate. Be delicate if it is at all possible. I do not say this to edit anyone's opinion, but to remind that Rule #1 is in place for good bloody reasons sometimes. Discuss, but discuss as gentlemen as best you can please.
Are we only allowed to make a certain number of posts in threads now? I was unaware of this new rule.
Are we not supposed to discuss things in a discussion forum. Just asking.
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There comes a point where a poster keeps repeating themselves and hijacks a thread to the same back and forth. Anyone willing to listen has listened, anyone who hasn't, hasn't. There is a point where posts turn to spam. If you want to continue going back and forth on the same topic, why not take it to PM?
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Structural damage probably had something to do with the crash....you don't investigate why a building fell, see structural damage and say, meh, probably was nothing, structural damage has something to with something!
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2011/09/09 04:17:21
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
bombboy1252 wrote:Structural damage probably had something to do with the crash....you don't investigate why a building fell, see structural damage and say, meh, probably was nothing, structural damage has something to with something!
Nah, we just don't get the actual hidden meaning of the science.
2011/09/09 04:17:53
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
Melissia wrote:Perhaps he believes that there's no chemistry majors on this forum to contradict him?
When steel gets hot-- I mean extremely hot-- it loses its structural integrity. It does not have to get close to its melting point to do so. The hotter it gets, the more structural integrity it loses.
Steel is a strong material because of the various intermolecular forces (which in steel's case are quite strong thus resulting in a high melting point) and how the molecules interact with eachother. But as the molecules absorb more energy-- through being heated up-- the energy makes actions which break or change these intermolecular attractions easier.
The cheese example I gave before comes to mind-- take cold hard cheese. You can't really bend it, you break and crumble it instead. But heat it up enough, and it bends even if it's not yet melted, but it'll eventually break. Heat it up more, and it bends even easier without breaking-- gradually taking more and more properties of a liquid, until finally it melts, at which point it takes on the properties of liquids entirely.
Don't think melting steel is like melting ice... it's not. The molecular interactions between various water molecules are quite different.
All of which is fine but it doesnt decide whether or not the steel was weakened enough for any of the suggested collapses.
This is what I'm questioning. You'll obviously state yes....possibly citing online experts (i don't really care about YOUR educational background and would prefer actual info cited online)
...to which I could cite an equal or even MORE experts online that state NO, The fire couldnt have inflicted this sort of damage to the building. It's not hard to find this data online either.
bombboy1252 wrote:Structural damage probably had something to do with the crash....you don't investigate why a building fell, see structural damage and say, meh, probably was nothing, structural damage has something to with something!
Nah, we just don't get the actual hidden meaning of the science.
the science behind warping steel? or the science behind warping steel causing structural damage?
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2011/09/09 04:18:59
Subject: Re:Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
MajorTom11 wrote:There comes a point where a poster keeps repeating themselves and hijacks a thread to the same back and forth. Anyone willing to listen has listened, anyone who hasn't, hasn't. There is a point where posts turn to spam. If you want to continue going back and forth on the same topic, why not take it to PM?
Because theres an entire thread dedicated to it....?
This thread is absolutely tasteless. Especially 2 days before the 10th anniversary.
-1 to the OT forum's already abysmal reputation. Make that -2.
I was in lower manhattan that day. People I knew were killed. It was absolute chaos. Absolute and total terror. If you honestly and whole heartedly believe it to have been a goverment conspiracy, perpatrated by the United States Goverment. If you believe that, in your heart of hearts, and you haven't either: A: Left the country B: Made it your life mission to personally help expose this massacre.
Then you are truly apathetic or just plain complacent.
To believe that the events that unfolded on September 11th 2001 were perpetrated by the United States Government, is to believe that the USA committed acts, against it's own citizens, that are rivaled only by Adolf Hitler, and Pol Pot. Perhaps a select few others. The point of course is; total murderous tyranny.
To believe that the events of that day were perpetrated by the US Gov't, against it's own people, for the purpose of starting a war in Afganistan, and by proxy Iraq, is to believe that you live in a totalitarian state of ultimate tyranny and terror. It is paramount to the highest level of treasonous thought conceivable, barring physically taking action against the United States of America.
Believing such a thing would require a man of any decent moral character to immediately take rebellious action against the Federal Government, because the assault against American citizens that day. New Yorkers. Foreign nationals. From businesspersons, to clerks and clients, to the janitorial staff. It is to believe that an act of mass murder was planned and executed, by the USA, against it's own citizens. Contemplate that. Think of what you must believe, if you truly, deeply believe in these conspiracy theories.
You don't. You can't. Because if you did believe in these things. You would leave the country. You would kill yourself from grief. You would take drastic and immediate action.
I can't believe the conspiracy theories. If it came to be that the conspiracy surrounding 9/11 was proven to be scientific fact, myself, as a 6 year combat veteran Navy Sailor, would be wearing a uniform of shame even as I write this. I wouldn't know what to do with myself. I would live in grief and self-hatred.
You simply cannot truly believe in these conspiracy theories, and then go about your normal life, without being either totally callous, or completely apathetic.
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Don't mind me, I was just making a point about the chemistry of it. A lot of people don't know very much on the subject of chemistry.
Heck, most people don't even know that Hydrogen is a metal and in its solid form has a distinct metal lattice structure just like steel does. It just doesn't hold it very well outside of extreme pressures (metallic hydrogen exists in the outer layer of the cores of Jupiter and Saturn, for example).
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2011/09/09 04:22:27
Subject: Another 9/11 Topic: Government Conspiracy? OR Terrorist Attack?
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