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For small blemishes I use Mr Surfacer or Tamiya Lquid primer
So I may as well stick with what I have but thanks for the heads up on the Vallejo BrassScorpian
and apologies for missing your comment

Was too busy musing on the Vallejo putty

Surely we all use clippers, files, xacto knives and green stuff (sometimes) to work on our plastic and metal models?
So why wouldn't it be a good thing to have the right tools for working on resin models..?

Of course you can get similar for cheaper elsewhere but that's not the point- we still all buy the right tools for the job.

BrookM wrote:If this has been posted elsewhere, a million pardons.

So, my store got WD 382 today, here's a rundown of the non-Dreadfleet releases:

[Stuff Everyone is talking about]

So, no toys, then? Just Dreadfleet and a bunch of modelling tools?

Iamjack42 wrote:

BrookM wrote:If this has been posted elsewhere, a million pardons.

So, my store got WD 382 today, here's a rundown of the non-Dreadfleet releases:

[Stuff Everyone is talking about]

So, no toys, then? Just Dreadfleet and a bunch of modelling tools?

Yup. There's the usual list of BL and FFG stuff, but that's it.

Only GW...

The price of the models goes up as the company uses cheaper base materials.

The cheaper base materials have a significant reduction in quality, despite being advertised as a dramatic improvement.

The company suddenly releases products for fixing models that were supposed to be a 'dramatic improvement'.

So... the new and improved models, which cost more, now have the additional cost of buying greatly marked up products for fixing the flaws, despite them being 'new and improved'.




Fething ridiculous.

Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

i rather have em fix the issues with finecast ( remove finecast all together) instead of selling me the tools to fix their shoddy work... nice try but i get the tools i need elsewhere as always.....

Liquid green stuff FTW!

As for the resin modelling tools I don' t really see it as that much to get upset about or scoff at. Every blog, project manual, or tutorial I've ever seen concerning resin models has (I look at big models like 1/6 to 1/8 scale) has bubble removal, gap filling and other project repair. From what I can tell it's pretty par for the course as far as resin kitting goes.

The majority of tabletop gamers/GW bashers on this site are probably not used to it. Hell GW would be great if they had resin kits without the standard resin fix-up issues. As it stands now they're no better than other companies that provide resin models. I'd prefer to stay away from resin as it stands, but in the end being forced to learn a new skillset isn't that bad (resin modelling).

I guess for GW to try and get in on the tools and such, it makes perfect sense. Have I seen liquid resin, xactos, etc before....Yes. Will it be much easier to come by because it's a GW product and the hobby shops in my area have been exinct for about six years now (and I don't like paying shipping on a $6 product)....Yes

Anyways, just a thought.

If the new WD is out, whAt is on the back page please?

Lorizael wrote:Surely we all use clippers, files, xacto knives and green stuff (sometimes) to work on our plastic and metal models?
So why wouldn't it be a good thing to have the right tools for working on resin models..?

Of course you can get similar for cheaper elsewhere but that's not the point- we still all buy the right tools for the job.

I should hope that you're joking. All of the clippers, files, etc. that you already have work fine for resin models. I believe I speak for the other posters when I say that it's irritating that GW is trying to tell us that we need new tools for their resin models, when we really don't. The price markup is the infuriating icing on this rage cake.

Honestly I'm surprised it took them this long to put a mould-line scraper on the market.

BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

Nah. This is too fething funny to get angry about.

Lorizael wrote:Surely we all use clippers, files, xacto knives and green stuff (sometimes) to work on our plastic and metal models?
So why wouldn't it be a good thing to have the right tools for working on resin models..?

Of course you can get similar for cheaper elsewhere but that's not the point- we still all buy the right tools for the job.

Yes, but this us the first time I have known someone market accessories to fix what should not need fixing in the first place

Hey kids we screwed up, but not to worry.
We have all these COOL GW products to help fix our bodge job!

GW The caring Hobbystore!




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BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

...but ... buut.....
it so hard not to when they pull stunts like this!

BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

Oh, I'm not raging, more shaking my head and chuckling.

BrassScorpion wrote:The current version of Vallejo's Plastic Filler in a tube (like their paint tubes) is already a greenish-blue color, so GW may be just re-labeling it and not doing anything else to it at all.

Is it weird that in a GW promo thread, my take-away is I should order a bottle of this next time I order paint from The War Store?

Guildsman wrote:

Lorizael wrote:Surely we all use clippers, files, xacto knives and green stuff (sometimes) to work on our plastic and metal models?
So why wouldn't it be a good thing to have the right tools for working on resin models..?

Of course you can get similar for cheaper elsewhere but that's not the point- we still all buy the right tools for the job.

I should hope that you're joking. All of the clippers, files, etc. that you already have work fine for resin models. I believe I speak for the other posters when I say that it's irritating that GW is trying to tell us that we need new tools for their resin models, when we really don't. The price markup is the infuriating icing on this rage cake.

Clippers of course are good for both. Metal files destroy resin models. Xacto knives are also too sharp and harsh for resin- 1 slip and you've cut so far into it... I've been using a sculpting tool for clearing up finecast as it has a slightly sharp edge but not sharp enough to do damage.
Having softer files and a mold-line removing tool will be useful.

These new tools may well not be for everybody- this hobby isn't just for people with years of experience with a huge variety of materials and different kits. People with less experience would often rather have the available tools that won't destroy their models, and won't mind paying for them- from GW or not.

Great
Kids can buy a tool for which they will have no other use

Tell em which tools in the tool box will do for both.
Not had any finecast to play with otherwise I would be telling them myself.

So how much is little Timmy (rather little Timmy's parents) going to fork out when they only expected to buy a single blister.

Chibi, with years of cynicism under his belt and willing to share it for free.

BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

I think GW has done that for themselves and forums are about the only place for people to rant since GW will not listen.

That said I have tried some of these gap fillers and was not impressed with most but I have yet to even see the Vallejo one. It will be interesting to see what GW comes out with but I think it should come with every box set of finecast models for free.

Flashman wrote:So let me get this right...
October WD will be promoting a product that is already sold out and some tools to make a rubbish modelling material less rubbish?

That is really weird. Promoting someting after it is supposed to be sold out. They really don't know how to use the WD and fill it with content.
I was hoping for Tyranids second wave, oh well.
Knowing GW, there is always the chance of secret Finecast releases that are hidden in the internal October price list for shops.

Revarien wrote: any word on the back page? Necrons?

jspyd3rx wrote:If the new WD is out, whAt is on the back page please?

Well? Any answer to this?

Yup Dreadfleet certainly seems like the waste of effort and a good plastic release slot for some army.

I thought the Sep WD had been delayed until the 1st of Oct. Sure I picked this up on one of the forums?

BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

Seems to be the trend doesn't it...

rather than rage i will support GW.
I think GW is the best. They make the best tools to fix their minis with. The tools are also very cheap. I like GW cause they make the minis that i like and i am very happy with those minis since i am now able to give GW money so i can buy tools from them to fix those minis when i get them from GW.
ok. glad to have that out of my system. I have used cheap paint that has gotton thick from disuse as gap filler. it works ok in a pinch though i have never tried to sand it.
@ Kroothawk. My guess is that we wont be seeing a second wave of tyranid models. The codex would have to change before anyone would get excited to buy new nid minis. My guess is that they saw the profits on that line plunge so far that release of any new models would be a total waste. They probably are going to save the molds that they have for the second wave until after they release the next ndis dex.

Well I guess they weren't happy with only being able to sell superglue with every Finecost sale. Now we see the 10-50% markup on all Failcasts they're trying to impose to squeeze the dosh out of everyone. I'd be surprised if something designed not to damage the soft resin will actually work well on metal (not saying it won't work, just how effective/efficient it is). If someone's getting enough imperfections in their model to justify anything but the back of a scalpel then something is seriously wrong.

Seems to be the trend doesn't it...

yup
With GW setting the trend
No kick in the balls, no belly ache

AgeOfEgos wrote:
Citadel Bubble Wrap Return Kit. Designed to protect your Finecast model when you mail it in for exchange. 1.95

Well done.

Kanluwen wrote:The Liquid Greenstuff does sound interesting.

The mouldline scraping tool sounds interesting as well, but only because right now I use a sculpting tool to do it without damaging the detail...

Right now I use the back of a knife and scrape gently, but wow, an emory board? Sounds like it really is pretty delicate.

Fine grade wet and dry A4 sheet about a quid
Bit of double sided tape for a few pennies
some scrap plastic card/empty plastic food container eg ice cream tub/margerine tub for free

Adhere and cut to size and shape of choice
and gently whittle your cares away for a song

"October White Dwarf

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This October, take to the high seas of the Warhammer world with Dreadfleet, the fantastic new game from Games Workshop.

This brand new game (the first completely new game system since The Lord of the Rings) is packed to the gunwales with supremely detailed Citadel miniatures, containing sea monsters and shipwrecks, doom-laden islands and ten intricately detailed warships.

Not only that, but Dreadfleet will only be available in strictly limited quantities and when they're gone, they're gone!

To serve as a fantastic accompaniment to the game, expect your copy of White Dwarf 381 after October 1st, 2011 – the same day that Dreadfleet is released. In-home subscribers can expect to see their copy by October 10th.

Future issues of White Dwarf will be released on the last Saturday of each month, as normal, and every issue continues to be the first place you will be able to find out about our forthcoming releases.

Given Dreadfleet's exclusivity, as a White Dwarf Subscriber we certainly don't want you to miss out on your chance to own a copy of this amazing new game. Therefore, the only way to guarantee your copy is to Advance Order yours before September 25th from your local Hobby Center, where it will be waiting for you on the day of its release, or online.

To find out more about Dreadfleet, you can read all about the new game, complete with a fantastic image gallery of the box and its contents, on www.games-workshop.com right now!

Yours Sincerely,
The White Dwarf Team"

From GW's website: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=16900014a

Wait wait wait...So GW is releasing a kit to help us with the miscasts? Sounds like they are trying to make a profit even off their own mistakes...


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Apparently they got tired of people sending back their models.

ceku wrote:Wait wait wait...So GW is releasing a kit to help us with the miscasts? Sounds like they are trying to make a profit even off their own mistakes...


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Apparently they got tired of people sending back their models.

Yep instead of getting you a new one that's not bubbly their going to try to sell you another thing. It is a ploy ingenious.

In all likelihood, the tool kits were planned even before the miscast level was known. It only makes sense for them to have come up with a way to get some more money courtesy of a material swap. It's also no coincidence that it comes out in October, which is the unofficial start of the early-Christmas shopping season in the US.

And I'm sure the emery boards would come in handy to someone, because I highly doubt that there has been absolutely no cases of someone being overly vigorous in sanding or filing a moldline. If harder resin can be damaged by it, Finecast certainly can.