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I saw the liquid greenstuff yesterday. For those who dont know it looks just like paint. (even in same container.) The colour is about the same as goblin green. (I think.)

So liquid.......er.......greenstuff then.

What does it "use" like, that's what I'm interested in.

What I'm wondering is if I've already bought Dreadfleet is there any reason whatsoever to purchase this issue of WD for the dreadfleet content?

Jarakin wrote:What I'm wondering is if I've already bought Dreadfleet is there any reason whatsoever to purchase this issue of WD for the dreadfleet content?

I also have this same question. Are the painting articles any good?

So when is this liquid greenstuff actually coming out?

I got the tools and liquid greenstuff today. The mould line scraper is excellent and I can se it becoming an essential tool. The brush is also handy for cleaning off scrapings and filings. I've been trying them on a Warhammer Fantasy Chapel and they've been very useful. The emery boards are nice too. they are glued around a plastic core. The only stupidness I heard was that our store (Croydon) was only sent 6 pots of liquid greenstuff which seems daft. I still cant get my head around it even while testing it but it seems good.

WD is a Dreadfleet fest. There's a bit on using tools and three scenarios for Sisters of Battle but 95% is Dreadfleet.

I picked up some liquid Green Stuff this morning too. It has the consistency of a Foundation paint that's dried out a bit, which means that it's probably best to dedicate a separate brush to it, rather than using your best.

I have a feeling this stuff is going to be invaluable for filling out all those small bubbles in Finecast models and absolutely perfect for conversion work as you can paint blobs into the holes and carefully wipe away the excess. Because it's thick to start with, it doesn't seem to contract much when it dries... should make it interesting to paint raised detail with.

I'd forgotten about the scraper tool... might have to pick up one of those next time I'm in store. Dread Fleet looked really nice, but because the store hadn't received the models before today they were having to demo with unpainted models. Nice work there GW.

I was wondering about something.. Liquid green stuff + home made mould using insta-mould = ???

BrookM wrote:I was wondering about something.. Liquid green stuff + home made mould using insta-mould = ???

PROFIT !!

I was thinking the same, but then I remembered it's GW, and the price of the Liquid green stuff will likely make it pointless.

But still, if it works, it would be invaluable to duplicate... things...

While profit isn't a term I'd use for this lest we anger the donkey-cave lawyers around here, it is something I was pondering about as it would make the creation of smaller parts, such as heads for Dust Tactics easier.

BrookM wrote:I was wondering about something.. Liquid green stuff + home made mould using insta-mould = ???

I was thinking similar as I was testing it but more along the lines of painting the liquid greenstuff into the mould then padding it out with regular greenstuff. However after tidying up the filled gaps (which it does excellently) I think it's too fragile for casting as you can easily scratch it off with your fingernail when it's dry.

We need tests: Liquid Greenstuff takes longer to dry and may shrink. Mind bubbles

ashikenshin wrote:

Jarakin wrote:What I'm wondering is if I've already bought Dreadfleet is there any reason whatsoever to purchase this issue of WD for the dreadfleet content?

I also have this same question. Are the painting articles any good?

Argh, this is the thread I was looking for. I posted this answer in two other threads already But, YES. The White Dwarf will be very valuable to Dreadfleet owners. There's a page devoted to each ship and it shows how they were painted, also mentioning which parts were kept separate to paint before final assembly. Very, very helpful!

I also picked up the liquid greenstuff, but don't have anything to try it out on atm... looks perfect for filling gaps, though!

Kroothawk wrote:We need tests: Liquid Greenstuff takes longer to dry and may shrink. Mind bubbles

The GW product being sold to fill bubbles could itself generate bubbles?



My mind has been trapped inside an infinite mobius of bubbles inside bubbles.

Just as planned..

Heh

I'm not going to use it to fill air-bubble holes... I'm hoping it will be perfect for filling gaps.

Specifically, the giant yawning gaps on my trollbloods Dire Trolls... they need some love!

RiTides wrote:Heh

I'm not going to use it to fill air-bubble holes... I'm hoping it will be perfect for filling gaps.

Specifically, the giant yawning gaps on my trollbloods Dire Trolls... they need some love!

Seriously. PP should package this stuff with all of their metal beasts.

Mulg is getting "the treatment" this evening, once I pin him good and proppa.

Post pics, Da Boss! I need inspiration to go through with it as I'm scared to do anything drastic to such an expensive model...

(Also, my dire trolls so far have been "gap filled" with lots of glue... so they're mostly filled, albiet in a very inefficient process. Would love to use this instead...)

Not sure where all the hostility on the first page is coming from for these new tools; they're marked up because they're rebadged products from a third party. Get them there if you're not one for buying all of your hobby items in one place at the same time. Secondly, Finecast is different to metal and therefore requires different tools, just as plastic figures require different tools to metal ones. Seems to make sense to me. Finecast has had its problems, but the fact they've released tools specifically for resin doesn't mean they're holding their hands up and saying "LOL CANT BE BOTHERED IMPROVING THEM YOU DO IT LOL", they're just providing the tools for hobbyists to clean up their finecast models the way we've been doing with metal models since the early 80s. Producing miniatures in any medium is a compromise; plastic cannot have undercuts and is only now beginning to come close to the same level of detail reproduction as metal, whereas metal does not reproduce extremely fine detail as well as resin, and resin is subject to severe warping and air bubbles. And that's that. The finecast miniatures I've bought have been very good quality.

The "hostility" is actually amusement/bemusement at charging extra bucks for items that can be had for a song, and people actually going to buy it cos it says GW on the packaging.

Your comment does beg the question, why these products were not available for cleaning up metal?

GW don't presumably buy the goods from third parties at retail price and mark up.

got some liquid greenstuff yesterday (Maidstone too only got sent six pots), and gave it a go - brilliant! It's *very* thick, but it's also water soluble, so I thinned it down a bit and slapped some on a couple of models that needed general filling. I love it. Really nice to use, and because it's thin, it doesn't obscure detail when you overfill/blend. Seemed to dry really quickly too which is a bonus, but that may be to do with the heat yesterday. Took a coouple of coats to fill some of the gaps I had, but no complaints about that - all in all, a much less messy and frustrating task than normal greenstuff

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Your comment does beg the question, why these products were not available for cleaning up metal?

Probably because seamscrapers(most kinds at least) and brushes do not do a thing for metal models.

What are brushes going to do with Finecast other than sweep away the debris?
Seam scrapers are still useful for metal, again with the old Swann-Morton.

If you want a set of brushes in the UK, Wilkinsons have a nylon, copper and steel brush set for under £2

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:What are brushes going to do with Finecast other than sweep away the debris?

Can't say until I've actually tried the brush. Might simply be stiff brush hairs like you see for grooming certain dog breeds, which will take off the thicker kind of 'sheets' of flash that you sometimes see between two parts.

Seam scrapers are still useful for metal, again with the old Swann-Morton.

Certain kinds are useful for metal models, sure. Some aren't. My Micromark seam scraper works like crap on metal models, the blade doesn't bite deep enough.

If you want a set of brushes in the UK, Wilkinsons have a nylon, copper and steel brush set for under £2

If you use a metal wire brush on a resin model, you deserve what's coming to you.

Namely: you're likely going to ruin the detail on the model in some areas.

What makes you think I would use a wire brush on a resin model?
They still would be useful for other purposes, even if non gaming related, and you get a toothbrush too.

Is still better value than the GW deal.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:What are brushes going to do with Finecast other than sweep away the debris?
Seam scrapers are still useful for metal, again with the old Swann-Morton.

If you want a set of brushes in the UK, Wilkinsons have a nylon, copper and steel brush set for under £2

The brush has plastic bristles and is a pretty good clean up after filing/scraping because I can be pretty rough with it without any risk of damaging the model. I'm going to be hunting for some brass brushes as liquid green stuff has gummed up my files (doh! the stuff is water soluble no need). Also liquid green stuff isn't good for big gaps. I'd say half a mm or less is fine otherwise use the regular green stuff with a top coat of the liquid. The emery boards are ok for large areas but I think the article in White Dwarf was a bit misleading as you cant get into most small gaps like armour plates or scales. For those gaps I'd use regular emery paper. However as with most GW tools they are good introductions to a method people may never have used and now I can go on and find my own way that suits my needs.

Using it to do some gap filling on Mulg. It's pretty goopy, which is good- it pretty much only goes where you put it with the brush. The other nice thing is that it wipes away with a tissue before it dries, so you can easily clean up any mess you make. Big gaps (like the ones on Mulg's torso) will need two coats. But that was a LOT easier than using solid green stuff!

BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

Sry, that i impossible facing this...

GW is almost asking for hating, i think it have something to do with apologizers...

Think with me: GW target public is of teenagers, teenagers have this tendency to be rebelious against everything else, specially the olders. So, GW is trying to cause the greatest amount of anti-GW hate amoung old-hobbysts, so the new teenagers hobbysts will just rebel against the general feeling, and will turn out as Apologizers.

Man, GW C.O. must be a genius!!!!!

Just as planned..