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Chowderhead wrote:It's what people posted into the Pony thread. There is, in fact, a rule against linking to vulgar sites and sites that depict lewd behavior. And that rule gets broken on that thread quite a lot.

We've had discussions about abolishing the entire OT Forum anyway. The Brony thread is a small microcosm of what is worst about the OT Forum (Lord only knows what I have done there).

So for those who argue against the OT Forum's existance, look at the MLP thread.

Chowderhead wrote:It's what people posted into the Pony thread. There is, in fact, a rule against linking to vulgar sites and sites that depict lewd behavior. And that rule gets broken on dakka quite a lot.

Fixed it for you...

Nerivant wrote:

Yes, because normal communication for adults involves swear words.

I hate having conversations with people like you.

Nerivant lets be nice here okay? Last thing we need to do is have someone start causing a fight and then something like the pelvic thrusting wars begin again.

BTW I remember my opposite/person on dakka dakka i smashed heads with, too bad he quit.

Let's keep this thread about mods, and leave MLP out of this, if you don't like it, leave it alone.

I've been here for as long as i've been playing 40k..So roughly 3 years?

The -whole- time there has been talk of abolishing the OT forum. I doubt it will happen.

Mind you...Dark Eldar -did- get updated. And Duke Nukem forever was launched...

bombboy1252 wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:It's what people posted into the Pony thread. There is, in fact, a rule against linking to vulgar sites and sites that depict lewd behavior. And that rule gets broken on dakka quite a lot.

Fixed it for you...

Alright then. Show me. Show me a link where you can find 3 schoolgirls getting raped, tortured, killed by a close friend.

OT forum is where I spend most of my time on dakka it would be terrible if it got taken down...My daily post count would go down a lot.

bombboy1252 wrote:Let's keep this thread about mods, and leave MLP out of this, if you don't like it, leave it alone.

MLP is, as WarOne said, a microcosm of the OT thread. So it's a perfect example. Another would be the "Things you don't understand about the opposite gender" thread started by Asherian Command.

/Plug

Chowderhead wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:It's what people posted into the Pony thread. There is, in fact, a rule against linking to vulgar sites and sites that depict lewd behavior. And that rule gets broken on dakka quite a lot.

Fixed it for you...

Alright then. Show me. Show me a link where you can find 3 schoolgirls getting raped, tortured, killed by a close friend.

Not my point Chowder, I never said EXACTLY whats posted in MLP thread popped up in other threads, I was just saying I do find links to inappropriate Sites on other threads

daedalus wrote:Also, ultimately, it's their sandbox. You play by their rules or you leave. You'd get that anywhere you go, not just here.

True to a point. But this is less about breaking the rules and more about the rules being enforced consistently. At Dakka, they are not. Talk gak about the Sisters of Battle, and Manchu will be on your case. Have the gall to disagree with insaniak? Say hello to a week's vacation. Be within his line of sight when KillKrazy has one of his snap 'Modjerk' reactions to a thread, and he'll ban you quicker than he can lock the thread.

Rules are fine. Rules enforced in an inconsistent and, dare I say it, arbitrary manner are not.

LunaHound wrote:And in the same situation, i get 3 months banned for calling someone's response "deliberately obtuse and dodging the question"

I got a week off for saying that someone's post was inane. That was the word that got be banned - 'inane'.

Nice, huh?

Chowderhead wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:Let's keep this thread about mods, and leave MLP out of this, if you don't like it, leave it alone.

MLP is, as WarOne said, a microcosm of the OT thread. So it's a perfect example. Another would be the "Things you don't understand about the opposite gender" thread started by Asherian Command.

/Plug

again chowder, missing the point, this is a thread about mods, not why OT should be removed/how bad MLP is

But, wait a sec. The OT forum did bring us good things. Like the Metal threads, "Whats on your mind" And blaming the Victim.

bombboy1252 wrote:OT forum is where I spend most of my time on dakka it would be terrible if it got taken down...My daily post count would go down a lot.

OT forum will not go down. It cant go down.
Without OT forum, the "bad' will permeate into the normal forums and drag the over all quality down.

OT forum is also a nice place to relax and discuss OT warhammer stuff as well.

P.S I LOVE PONIES ( actually just the recent ones friendship is magic )
COME AT ME SHADOWBRAND! your viking metal or w/e is useless against me!

bombboy1252 wrote:

Chowderhead wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:Let's keep this thread about mods, and leave MLP out of this, if you don't like it, leave it alone.

MLP is, as WarOne said, a microcosm of the OT thread. So it's a perfect example. Another would be the "Things you don't understand about the opposite gender" thread started by Asherian Command.

/Plug

again chowder, missing the point, this is a thread about mods, not why OT should be removed/how bad MLP is

If you wish to keep it a modbashing thread, then so be it. But I'll stay out.

On the same token though, alot of warnings are handed out because of the OT Forum.

Just because you think you can relax in the OT Forum doesn't mean to simply spam it or slip on the rules here. In fact, one should be more guarded about what they say here.

I'm pretty sure getting a thread highly off topic (even in OT) is against the rules, so yes, This will stay a mod bash thread and I will continue to defend the mods like a knight in shining armor.

While I support this notion fully, as some of the mods really are a piece of work.

If we persist with this thread at all, as Lunahound as stated were doomed, Feth we already -are-.

This thread will just get deleted by them, and then the dictatorship and blatant favoritism will persist until Dakka dies.

And to that I say...It was a honor serving.

@Luna.

I can't bring myself to destroy you. We've been through so much you and I. I will however just need to take you back to our secret Doomfart hangout and wash the Brony cancer from your system with Molson Canadian beer.

I haven't seen any mod "favoritism" sense I joined dakka...

Shadowbrand wrote:I've been here for as long as i've been playing 40k..So roughly 3 years?

The -whole- time there has been talk of abolishing the OT forum. I doubt it will happen.

Mind you...Dark Eldar -did- get updated. And Duke Nukem forever was launched...

Thats been going on for a very long time, and lets face it they won't because its pretty bloody good.

Also we have some radical mods and some nonradical I like all of them except for one! Only one!
If anything I wish they threw the banhammer on some dakkites sometimes.

H.B.M.C. wrote:
True to a point. But this is less about breaking the rules and more about the rules being enforced consistently. At Dakka, they are not. Talk gak about the Sisters of Battle, and Manchu will be on your case. Have the gall to disagree with insaniak? Say hello to a week's vacation. Be within his line of sight when KillKrazy has one of his snap 'Modjerk' reactions to a thread, and he'll ban you quicker than he can lock the thread.

Rules are fine. Rules enforced in an inconsistent and, dare I say it, arbitrary manner are not.

The fact that these things are not talked about as a rule makes it hard to cite specific instances that rules have been arbitrarily enforced, so any argument I made on this point would be completely out of my own ignorance. I've been in the vicinity of threads that have brought down the Mod's ire before however and I have escaped unscathed. Both before and after becoming a DCM. I've also had a warning or two when I deserved it. Maybe I just get lucky.

bombboy1252 wrote:I'm pretty sure getting a thread highly off topic (even in OT) is against the rules, so yes, This will stay a mod bash thread and I will continue to defend the mods like a knight in shining armor.

You do not stand alone my friend! Even though I am from D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T. its not that bad We ride! *Rides off to battle*

I have, on several occasions. They must of let Cheese Elemental and Shuma get away with murder.

Come at me Loyalists.

bombboy1252 wrote:I haven't seen any mod "favoritism" sense I joined dakka...

There is however a subjective human as no human is truly objective.

Moderators can play favorites, even if they don't realize it themselves.

However, a person can only be as fair and as non-judgemental as they could be.

Yet here we are with a thread of people citing specific instances of moderator "favoritism."

Also, I've been warned before and I fully accept responsibility for my actions in all those events.

Ergo, I don't think the moderators knowingly play favorites.

Asherian Command wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:I'm pretty sure getting a thread highly off topic (even in OT) is against the rules, so yes, This will stay a mod bash thread and I will continue to defend the mods like a knight in shining armor.

You do not stand alone my friend! Even though I am from D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T. its not that bad We ride! *Rides off to battle*

*Rides off to battle with Asherian*

*starts singing song about how mods are great, and their is forever peace among dakka*

*gets killed by trolls*

Well since it's that time of month again (no I'm not having a period ), I'll repeat my rhetoric DakkaDakka's mods are an excellent staff that is very understanding and has helped to contribute to the friendly,

laid-back atmosphere the I often experience on this site.

I feel...So betrayed.

I'm going to go listen to Burzum and sulk.

Cheesecat I am disappoint.

Cheesecat wrote:

Well since it's that time of month again (no I'm not having a period ), I'll repeat my rhetoric DakkaDakka's mods are an excellent staff that is very understanding and has helped to contribute to the friendly,

laid-back atmosphere the I often experience on this site.

I like the staff its fun and engaging and they do their job. Though my Personnel favorite of the mods is Alpharius who is infact Omegeon disguised as Alpharius.

Suffice to say, does everyone here think that this thread can be constructive to addressing grievances with the moderators/administrators of the forums?

Wouldn't it of been better to address this via PM or in the Nuts and Bolts Forum rather than the OT Forum?

Ya im just going to behave and stay around till kanluwen turn into mod.
then i'll be like I TOLD YOU SO, i mean how can he NOT be a mod with god like anti ban shield + constant suck ups and the cute
little face everytime he might have said something to get him in trouble.

So far i have successfully predicted all in the correct order

Kidkyoto ( good mod, so not hard to predict )
manchu ( well havnt seen him lately )
reds8n ( ................................................... )
Tom11 (Canadian one spelled his name wrong i think )

Man... lol. I am pretty new, so I will chip in here as I don't have a long track record of conflict just yet!

Guys, I have been a Mod about 3 weeks, and in that time, most of the conflicts I have encountered occur from lack of communication... Either we don't get what was intended due to our misunderstanding, or you guys don't communicate as clearly as you think...

Karon, since you brought up your incident, I can mention you are a prime example. Reading what you wrote about that quote makes sense I suppose from your viewpoint (as in you calling that guy out, not endorsing him)... from my own seeing it at the time though, there was no indication of you either approving or disapproving of that awful statement. No smiley, frowney, *sigh* or anything to say you thought this was the wrong thing to say. It was just a really hateful statement repeated. In any case, you probably thought the intent your message was clear from your own point of view, but it honestly wasn't from the outside. A prime example of how relatively good intentions got mangled up by the interwebs, and was completely misinterpreted by some of the audience.

At the end of the day though, even in condemnation, it is not the kind of thing we want regularly plastered over the forum every time you post... I understand you motivation, and can even appreciate it... but rule #1 goes for everyone, always. Even those you/we might not think deserve it.

Guys, this forum has a lot of kids on it... it's an inescapable fact. I know sometimes it sucks, and sometimes you want to speak in a manner you are accustomed to in real life as adults... But you are hanging out in a really public spot. A mall. A movie theater in the afternoon. A park. It might suck, but I hope, and this is pure honesty, I hope that you guys are all the good people I think you are who wouldn't want young kids hearing the kinds of things we may say as 20-30 and even 40 year olds. It is easy to forget as we never see each other, it's all just typing, but picture sitting in a restaurant at lunchtime while the people next to you have a raunchy sex talk, or sitting next to a racist going on a rant... all while your 10 year old niece is sitting beside you...

It may sound extreme, but really, that is what Dakka is. There could be a kid in any thread. If that means something to you guys, then you understand why we have the rules we do. If it means nothing to you and you want R rated, I say this with no animosity or insult, then Dakka may not be the place for you. There are other forums more friendly to that, and if that is really, really what you after, then there are places you would probably enjoy more. Again, that isn't a 'Here's the door' comment, it is just friendly advice, as I would like to see everyone end up someplace they are happy with.

Guys, like I said, I am a recent Mod. I can promise you something though, with no lie: The entire moderation team, and most especially the Admins, Yak and Lego, really, really care about this site. Not for money, fame, or anything like that... They just want it to be a nice, friendly place that other fans can enjoy. That is literally the one and only reason Dakka even exists. Their policy is always to do their absolute best to keep everyone happy. Every single time, without fail, they will try to work things out with any offender. Sometimes to my shock to be honest, as sometimes things can get pretty nasty.

Most of the time, it works, and things go along smoothly. Sometimes though, we can communicate badly too, we can say things we think are clear, and aren't, or are misinterpreted on the other end and we come off as power-mad or something. It sucks that this can happen, but we are only human too. Being a Mod is a lot of work to be honest, and no one in there gets off on suspending people, or being a tough guy. In fact, suspending people often leads to a series of nasty emails, which is the opposite of 'fun' lol.

I can understand why this thread was started. I see why many assume the Mods are 'up to something' or abusing power. I just wanted to throw this out there in the hopes that some of you may believe me and think differently of us next time something comes up. I said communication was the biggest problem, so I am trying to do my part here too.

The rules of this site are designed to minimize conflict, keep it SFW and to make it as good a place as can be for as many of you as possible. Sometimes, this means hazy interpretations of the rules. Sometimes, the rules 'backfire' and protect those most of us would think are jerks. But the truth is guys, we will never be able to please everyone, so please, please try not to take it personally if the rules rub you the wrong way on occasion.

Be polite, don't swear and don't post porn and you will be fine 99% of the time lol. Try not to argue endlessly in a thread with the same person (keyword being endlessly if neither party is willing to budge). The other 1% is a bit hazy and tough to quantify, for everyone involved.

Anyways, that is a long ramble. Just remember, talk to us (preferably rationally!) and we will always take the time to do everything we can to work things out. We will listen to your side, and will give it honest thought. Sometimes we will still disagree with you, but we will always, always prefer to work things out than suspend.

Thanks for listening guys!

Tom