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bombboy1252 wrote:K.C. just won the thread

Agreed.

KingCracker wrote:Seriously, you lot are reminding me of the crap I get to listen to from my niece. So I give you presents



Some music with your wine?

The mod's have treated me so badly I think I'm going to need some of that wine (more like the whole bottle) just to get through the day. *Sniff*

Cheesecat wrote:

The mod's have treated me so badly I think I'm going to need some of that wine (more like the whole bottle) just to get through the day. *Sniff*

It's okay cheesecat, cry on my shoulder, mama's gonna make it all better.

Karon wrote:I realize that, and I'd like to tell everyone that don't bother emailing - it won't do gak to change anything.

After a very quick flick through your moderation history, I note at least one case where your suspension was reduced after you discussed the issue with Kilkrazy.

LunaHound wrote:My goal and proposal has always been simple, getting that 1 rude jerk ( this isnt just a personal opinion ) to be nice to all.

This is the first reason you keep running into problems here.

The moderators deal with rudeness where they deem it appropriate. It's not up to you to 'take anybody down'... Your responsibility is to follow the rules you agreed to follow when you joined the site. If you have a problem with another poster, report anything you see as inappropriate and move on. Or just ignore them, as has been suggested to you on numerous occasions.

If not, face the same consequence i had to pay for proving my point to him ( by copy pasting back to him what himself wrote )

And this is the second reason.

Even after numerous discussions with various mods, you still assume that because nobody tells you personally about moderation actions taken against other posters, that nothing happens. In reality, the vast majority of moderation is done by PM or email. We don't post public notifications except where we think it will help get a thread back on track.

And yes, if you deliberately try to stir things up, you are likely to be treated more harshly than the person you're disagreeing with.

But you've had that explained to you on how many occasions now? And yet you persist with the same behaviour, and then keep on complaining when it nets you exactly the same result. And that's the moderators' fault?

Karon wrote:

MrDwhitey wrote:

Karon wrote:Entirely false. Whenever I tried to appeal one of my bans (like, how they tell you to in your ban email), I never got any response.

You can read things and not respond!

I realize that, and I'd like to tell everyone that don't bother emailing - it won't do gak to change anything.

Yeah Ive never had a decent one.

I got a ban a couple month back when we were talking about a team getting a points deduction for cheating after submitting lists to a tourney and they came up 20 points over the max or something.

None of the people in the team use dakka or were involved in the conversation, it was just a conversation about the story, some people thought they must have done it on purpose, some thought it was an innocent mistake and they shouldnt have had game points deducted.

I chirped in with..

" I'm a noob and I managed to get my list correct, lets be honest, its fething easy! The points are RIGHT THERE!

These guys were purposely trying to cheat, as elitist dicks do."

And got a full 7 day ban for violating rule 1 "be polite"

How can you be impolite about people that aren't involved in the conversation, or in the room, virtual or otherwise? I merely disagreed with some people saying they thought it was an honest mistake.

I then emailed Jank with

"Im somewhat stunned by that considering none of the individuals in question were actually on the board and as a result none of what I said was directed at anybody, how can I be impolite to somebody that isnt there?

If Matty is rude in a forest, but nobody is there to hear it, is Matty still rude?"

And heard nothing back.

I make my mind up about people quickly being a black and white sort of chap, and judging by that infantile display I instantly disliked the bloke. And considering Yak said he "didnt want to make dakka seem like an old boys club" when he made him a mod, I decided that he is clearly only a mod because he is bessie mates with the bloke who runs the website, because surely anyone that was given the job because they seemed competent wouldn't have acted like a child.

Was it because the team was American?

Surely a man in his thirties or forties wouldn't get offended by the fact that someone you accused of cheating that they have never met and wasn't present was born within a thousand miles of their house? I mean.. surely a grown man wouldnt act like that right?!

I don't even dislike "the mods" I just dislike one.

mattyrm wrote: How can you be impolite about people that aren't involved in the conversation, or in the room, virtual or otherwise?

How does someone being in the room or not make any difference to whether or not calling them names is impolite?

(And that's completely ignoring the fact that you have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not they were, in fact, 'in the room'...)

I then emailed Jank with

"Im somewhat stunned by that considering none of the individuals in question were actually on the board and as a result none of what I said was directed at anybody, how can I be impolite to somebody that isnt there?

If Matty is rude in a forest, but nobody is there to hear it, is Matty still rude?"

And heard nothing back.

You heard nothing back because you finished your email with a statement that you accepted the suspension and would 'see us in a week'... Which certainly doesn't sound like you were expecting any further explanation.

insaniak wrote:

Karon wrote:I realize that, and I'd like to tell everyone that don't bother emailing - it won't do gak to change anything.

After a very quick flick through your moderation history, I note at least one case where your suspension was reduced after you discussed the issue with Kilkrazy.

Pray tell why my last ban wasn't given similar treatment? Was Killkrazy not involved with this discussion?

Again, if you and your "moderation team" would have done an ounce of research about the quotes that caused my last ban, it wouldn't have happened at all. I really was pissed off that such a little amount of effort was put into banning me when at first I was suspended for 2 days and I said "lol, whatever, I'll just PM Yakface when I get back", but THEN, I got my ban extended for another 14 days because....

You were warned of this outcome should you use that kind of language again, so I would hope this would not come as a surprise to you.

Karon wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Karon wrote:I realize that, and I'd like to tell everyone that don't bother emailing - it won't do gak to change anything.

After a very quick flick through your moderation history, I note at least one case where your suspension was reduced after you discussed the issue with Kilkrazy.

Pray tell why my last ban wasn't given similar treatment? Was Killkrazy not involved with this discussion?

Again, if you and your "moderation team" would have done an ounce of research about the quotes that caused my last ban, it wouldn't have happened at all. I really was pissed off that such a little amount of effort was put into banning me when at first I was suspended for 2 days and I said "lol, whatever, I'll just PM Yakface when I get back", but THEN, I got my ban extended for another 14 days because....

You were warned of this outcome should you use that kind of language again, so I would hope this would not come as a surprise to you.

you were being rude by saying "lol, whatever, I'll just PM Yakface"

I said that to MYSELF, I didn't email them that...can you just leave this thread, please? You've only been here for a few months, you know nothing about the current subject.

Karon wrote:I said that to MYSELF, I didn't email them that...can you just leave this thread, please? You've only been here for a few months, you know nothing about the current subject.

I'll leave the subject when I feel like leaving the subject thank you.

and not my fault I didn't know you "said it to you're self"

insaniak wrote:

Karon wrote:I realize that, and I'd like to tell everyone that don't bother emailing - it won't do gak to change anything.

After a very quick flick through your moderation history, I note at least one case where your suspension was reduced after you discussed the issue with Kilkrazy.

LunaHound wrote:My goal and proposal has always been simple, getting that 1 rude jerk ( this isnt just a personal opinion ) to be nice to all.

This is the first reason you keep running into problems here.

The moderators deal with rudeness where they deem it appropriate. It's not up to you to 'take anybody down'... Your responsibility is to follow the rules you agreed to follow when you joined the site. If you have a problem with another poster, report anything you see as inappropriate and move on. Or just ignore them, as has been suggested to you on numerous occasions.

If not, face the same consequence i had to pay for proving my point to him ( by copy pasting back to him what himself wrote )

And this is the second reason.

Even after numerous discussions with various mods, you still assume that because nobody tells you personally about moderation actions taken against other posters, that nothing happens. In reality, the vast majority of moderation is done by PM or email. We don't post public notifications except where we think it will help get a thread back on track.

And yes, if you deliberately try to stir things up, you are likely to be treated more harshly than the person you're disagreeing with.

But you've had that explained to you on how many occasions now? And yet you persist with the same behaviour, and then keep on complaining when it nets you exactly the same result. And that's the moderators' fault?

Here is my last post as i have agreed to not stress over this issue.
But since you asked i shall reply as well.
See, after all the actions you said you would address to the rude person ( either via report or you breaking up an argument ) , after such a long time, and to multiple members,
the fact still remains the same. He is still rude, condescending, and obnoxious to anyone that doesn't agree with him.
This is where we can see that despite all disciplinary actions are in private, it becomes rather transparent and obvious. He is certainly the same.
Add the fact of im gone for months and hes still there doing the same o rude things, it really doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to know he wasn't disciplined.
Or, the discipline is obviously not equal.

And the part i high light in red. If by stirring things up means when i mentioned he gets away with it, that is obvious fact to the public? means i'll get punished more than him that started it?
Yes.... thats pretty much what this thread is about.

Anyways, if you wish to ask me stuff, send me a msg or something ( i will respond of course )
if not, im leaving the thread.

Karon wrote:Again, if you and your "moderation team" would have done an ounce of research about the quotes that caused my last ban, it wouldn't have happened at all.

The thing is, as Tom explained earlier there was no reason to not take the comments at face value as presented. Particularly in light of your previous suspension history, and how much of it was related to similar (generally racist) comments.

We're not going to go trolling back through the entire site trying to find the original quote and determine what your reaction to it was at the time. If you put a quote in your sig with no sign that you disagree with that quote, we're going to take it as you endorsing that quote. Your suspension was given in line with your previous posting history. That's the bed that you made.

Karon wrote:

MrDwhitey wrote:It didn't do gak for you I'm guessing, but it may well have done for many others, and their may be a good reason for why you never had a response.

Yeah, I've been banned many times, and Tom admitted my last ban was very sketchy, and I appealed that ban via email, and I still didn't get anything. If the moderators would have looked for ANY context whatsoever around those quotes that caused my last ban, It wouldn't have happened.

"Lol this hip hop fan thinks I give a feth about what the thinks? TASTE THE BAN, BITCH"

Karon, your last suspension was not sketchy at all.

It seems to me you read without 'listening'. I'll say it again. Quoting a very harsh homophobic rant in your signature is not acceptable. Period. I also pointed out that you did not make your reasoning clear in even putting that quote in, giving no indication whether it was an endorsement or not. So you messed up, and you got a suspension in line with your track history and activity up to that point.

The fact you get in that much trouble, and that you completely missed the point that your action was 100% not acceptable is indicative of why you are in this thread complaining about your treatment. It is not the first time you have made a mistake of this nature. You keep repeating the same actions, and expect a different result... then say that the Mods are the one's who are out of line.

If you want to stay in Dakka, let us be crystal clear. Stop being rude to your fellow posters. Stop posting homophobic or racist terms, and it doesn't matter if you are just quoting them. You are not entitled to 'police' the site, and that other user, as you see fit. Leave it to us. If you can pull that off, then you should be fine. If it is too much to ask of you then we can only warn you about the same thing so many times. I invite you to work with us and adjust your actions to comply with the rules of the site, not so that we 'win', but so that you can get back to enjoying Dakka and feeling comfortable. I hope this message is clear enough at this point.

As I mentioned in my very first post. Dakka cannot please everyone... it's impossible. If you want a more 'adult' tone and the ability to insult, there are other forums that may be a better fit and far more enjoyable to you, since this one seems to chafe.

It would be nice however, if you can simply accept the above and go about your business without conflict, controversy and negativity. Believe it or not, you staying here happily is what we would prefer to see. But if you are not willing to work with us to make it happen, we can't force you.

LunaHound wrote:See, after all the actions you said you would address to the rude person ( either via report or you breaking up an argument ) , after such a long time, and to multiple members,
the fact still remains the same. He is still rude, condescending, and obnoxious to anyone that doesn't agree with him.
This is where we can see that despite all disciplinary actions are in private, it becomes rather transparent and obvious. He is certainly the same.

You could certainly take that as a sign that someone is receiving 'special treatment'...

Alternatively, you could take it as a sign that you possibly need to re-evaluate how you see their posts. It's very easy to see someone's post as rude or condescending when you are already predisposed to dislike them.

Add the fact of im gone for months and hes still there doing the same o rude things, it really doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to know he wasn't disciplined.
Or, the discipline is obviously not equal.

Of course the discipline is not equal. Someone stealing a car for the first time receives different treatment to someone who drives off with an entire car yard.

You being rude will be treated based on your previous history and the exact nature of the offence. Someone else being rude will be treated based on their previous history and the exact nature of their offence.


The fact that someone is still here is hardly a sign that they have not been disciplined for breaking the rules. After all, you're still here.
And the fact that you personally feel that someone's post crosses the line does not mean that the mods will automatically agree. Or that your response to it wasn't worse than the original post.

insaniak wrote:

Karon wrote:Again, if you and your "moderation team" would have done an ounce of research about the quotes that caused my last ban, it wouldn't have happened at all.

The thing is, as Tom explained earlier there was no reason to not take the comments at face value as presented. Particularly in light of your previous suspension history, and how much of it was related to similar (generally racist) comments.

We're not going to go trolling back through the entire site trying to find the original quote and determine what your reaction to it was at the time. If you put a quote in your sig with no sign that you disagree with that quote, we're going to take it as you endorsing that quote. Your suspension was given in line with your previous posting history. That's the bed that you made.

Calling me Racist is like saying DMX hates cocaine.

Oh, the entire site is one thread that EVERYONE saw, nice dodge.

Just wow. You heard it here, everyone. Moderators don't put any effort or consideration when they ban you. They are robots that take your messages at face value and do not consider any context whatsoever.

@Tom - I wasn't be rude, I wasn't being homophobic.

I'm done discussing my personal suspension because its clearly bs, and I appealed it to EXPLAIN why it was, but I never got any response.

Karon wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Karon wrote:Again, if you and your "moderation team" would have done an ounce of research about the quotes that caused my last ban, it wouldn't have happened at all.

The thing is, as Tom explained earlier there was no reason to not take the comments at face value as presented. Particularly in light of your previous suspension history, and how much of it was related to similar (generally racist) comments.

We're not going to go trolling back through the entire site trying to find the original quote and determine what your reaction to it was at the time. If you put a quote in your sig with no sign that you disagree with that quote, we're going to take it as you endorsing that quote. Your suspension was given in line with your previous posting history. That's the bed that you made.

Calling me Racist is like saying DMX hates cocaine.

Oh, the entire site is one thread that EVERYONE saw, nice dodge.

Just wow. You heard it here, everyone. Moderators don't put any effort or consideration when they ban you. They are robots that take your messages at face value and do not consider any context whatsoever.

get off the soapbox Karon please...

you're taking what he said way out of proportion.

Been here a few years, and the moderation is generally alright. I mean, look at some other websites of similar size, look at dakka, and tell me which site has the better moderation.

Dakka's moderators do a grand job. Sometimes I disagree with a decision, but hell, that's life. I don't know why everyone expects perfect justice all the time, considering life is constantly pushing evidence that it never, ever happens right in our faces.

Edit: Karon, why the hell should the mods have to spend ages researching your history for something like that? You've posted innappropriate stuff before, you had something inappropriate in your sig, you got banned, it's hardly the end of the world or very suprising.

A little note for you. Your last comment annoyed me slightly, and while writing this I was vaguely tempted to go a bit further from what I wrote into criticism. I decided it wouldn't be the appropriate thing to do. Because of that, it's unlikely that a mod will ban me for this post. (I would totally respect a mod who banned me for this though, just for the irony.)

Karon, I really think your just fishing for a ban again, so you can say I told you so. Holy crap, you need to relax and just forget that you were banned for what you think are dumb reasons. The world isnt a fair place, and as such, DAKKA isnt a fair place either, so how bout you suck that bottom lip in a bit, and just move on.

Complaining about it like you are will not get you any special treatments.

Karon wrote:Just wow. You heard it here, everyone. Moderators don't put any effort or consideration when they ban you. They are robots that take your messages at face value and do not consider any context whatsoever.

Choosing to interpret what the mods are telling you as meaning more or less the exact opposite of what they actually said is certainly an ...interesting... way of making your time here more pleasant.

Ok, let me put it this way Karon. If I hear someone use a racial word about black people, the way to object to it is not to print that word on a t-shirt and wander around town with it on. What do you think people will think when they see me with this shirt that simply has a racial slur on it? You are honestly shocked you in turn were offensive by simply repeating the word at all? Nevermind the fact you put no context on it at all (again, not that it mattered if you did, still bad).

You say you aren't a bigot. Fine, I even believe you. But you also don't appear to have the common sense or desire not to look like one. Take responsibility for your actions and stop playing the victim card. I said sometimes we make mistakes, but not this time Karon. You were 100% wrong.

insaniak wrote:

LunaHound wrote:My goal and proposal has always been simple, getting that 1 rude jerk ( this isnt just a personal opinion ) to be nice to all.

This is the first reason you keep running into problems here.

The moderators deal with rudeness where they deem it appropriate. It's not up to you to 'take anybody down'...

You're a loose cannon, Luna! Turn in your gun and badge! You're off this case!

Ouze wrote:

insaniak wrote:

LunaHound wrote:My goal and proposal has always been simple, getting that 1 rude jerk ( this isnt just a personal opinion ) to be nice to all.

This is the first reason you keep running into problems here.

The moderators deal with rudeness where they deem it appropriate. It's not up to you to 'take anybody down'...

You're a loose cannon, Luna! Turn in your gun and badge! You're off this case!

I already did back few pages when Tom came to the thread.
then the cat came in -_- but, im sure even he can see my concerns.

If you choose to air your dirty laundry in public, don't be surprised when it elicits a response.

The simple fact is, (again, as has been explained to you on numerous occasions, Luna) that trying to stir things up in order to make the mods see that someone else is as rude as you are is never going to get you the response you're looking for.

All you do with that sort of nonsense is make things worse. Leave it alone, and worry about your own behaviour. Leave the mods to sort out everyone else's behaviour if and when we decide it's appropriate to do so. That's what we're here for.

KingCracker wrote:

Ooooh, that sounds incredibly good right now. Not that anyone my age would drink wine, of course

I can see them Luna. My honest opinion though is that you have become fixated on the situation and are becoming a caricature of yourself in the process.

All I can 100% say for sure is that it isn't worth this amount of frustration and anger on your part, right or wrong. It's only toy soldiers in the end. Try not to be so invested in winning or losing a net discussion and it will start to feel better. I used to approach things in a similar manner to the way you are now if you will recall, and this is advice I took myself at the time, so please don't think of it as hypocritical or high-handed. I am happier for it, and I would be pleased if you were too.


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Anyways, Let's leave the Luna and Karon topics alone for now shall we? It is starting to go in circles so let's turn our attention towards things we can make a bit of progress on again?

So far the only thing I have noticed is everyone is claiming that 1 user seems to get away with murder here....

bombboy1252 wrote:So far the only thing I have noticed is everyone is claiming that 1 user seems to get away with murder here....

'Everyone' largely being a couple of users with an axe to grind.

The problem comes from some users disagreeing with the moderators' take on when a line is crossed. It's essentially the same issue as I mentioned earlier in the thread with those complaining about 'unfair' suspensions they have received, just from the other side of the line.

insaniak wrote:

bombboy1252 wrote:So far the only thing I have noticed is everyone is claiming that 1 user seems to get away with murder here....

'Everyone' largely being a couple of users with an axe to grind.

The problem comes from some users disagreeing with the moderators' take on when a line is crossed. It's essentially the same issue as I mentioned earlier in the thread with those complaining about 'unfair' suspensions they have received, just from the other side of the line.

Unless the other posters are my sock puppet account, you can still say the issue extends more and is agreed upon than just from me.

Karon wrote:Every time I tried to email a moderator about my many bans, I never got a response.

Everytime I have asked a moderator about any problems I have had a response.
Given they are unpaid and prolly getting lots of other such questions eating into their free time, I have to give them respect for doing what essentially will always be a thankless task.

bombboy1252 wrote:So far the only thing I have noticed is everyone is claiming that 1 user seems to get away with murder here....

Who got klilled?!