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Targeters from the old DH Codex. Pre-measure to your target for 1 point per squad!

Deff rollas are good too. You can turn your 20 boy transport into an infantry shredder for just 20 points!

Demonic possession for Chaos tanks. for 20 points you ignore all crew shaken and stunned results. it works great for the landraider. -1 BS is not bad when you have all twin linked weapons on it. the thing is cheaper than most LR is it feels even more unstoppable then a normal one!

acekevin8412 wrote:Tau Disruption Pods. 5pts for a cover save for all vehicles at 12+"

Clearly, Tau are completely OP.

Not as OP as Necrons.

ı go for psybolt ammunition. a 10 min squad of storm bolters at str 5 hell yeah

or even more a storm raven wıth hurricane bolters, twin linked assault cannons and a twin linked heavy bolter at +1 str. I WANT

Not sure about the most cost effective, but Chaos Sorceror is definitely the least. 10pts extra for 1WS less than Chaos Lord, +5pts for a second power and around 20pts per power...

5pt meltabombs are a good option though.

Durza wrote:Not sure about the most cost effective, but Chaos Sorceror is definitely the least. 10pts extra for 1WS less than Chaos Lord, +5pts for a second power and around 20pts per power...

5pt meltabombs are a good option though.

You get a force weapon though =|

5 pts Psyammo for dreadnaught autocannons. Turn an already powerful weapon into a 2 shot TL missile launcher

GamzaTheChaos wrote:

Durza wrote:Not sure about the most cost effective, but Chaos Sorceror is definitely the least. 10pts extra for 1WS less than Chaos Lord, +5pts for a second power and around 20pts per power...

5pt meltabombs are a good option though.

You get a force weapon though =|

... So does the SM librarian. With two free powers. And a hood. For the same price.

Free missile launchers and flamers for a 10-man tactical squad.

Durza wrote:

GamzaTheChaos wrote:

Durza wrote:Not sure about the most cost effective, but Chaos Sorceror is definitely the least. 10pts extra for 1WS less than Chaos Lord, +5pts for a second power and around 20pts per power...

5pt meltabombs are a good option though.

You get a force weapon though =|

... So does the SM librarian. With two free powers. And a hood. For the same price.

Just like to point out a sorcerer also has +1WS +1BS +1W +1A +1I and a 5++ save over a librarian, I'm sure that's enough free stuff to offset costs of powers

Honorable Mention: Tank Hunters on Cyclone Missile Launcher sporting Black Templar Terminators. Only 3 points per teminator.

Also, it will make their storm bolters S5, which can glance a rhino.


2nd honorable mention: Furious Charge on Black Templar Assault terminators. 3 points per model for +1I and +1S doesn't suck with Lightning claws that reroll to hit and wound.

curtis wrote:

Durza wrote:

GamzaTheChaos wrote:

Durza wrote:Not sure about the most cost effective, but Chaos Sorceror is definitely the least. 10pts extra for 1WS less than Chaos Lord, +5pts for a second power and around 20pts per power...

5pt meltabombs are a good option though.

You get a force weapon though =|

... So does the SM librarian. With two free powers. And a hood. For the same price.

Just like to point out a sorcerer also has +1WS +1BS +1W +1A +1I and a 5++ save over a librarian, I'm sure that's enough free stuff to offset costs of powers

Not really. A Chaos Sorcerer doesn't have the best selection of powers ever; Warptime is only useful in combat, where you DON'T want him (powerfist + Sorcerer = Dead Sorcerer); Doombolt is useless, an assault 3 S4 AP3 power that has 18" range and is hindered by cover is not worth an 115pt model; Wind of Chaos is reasonable, but requires you to be perilously close to an enemy; Gift requires you to be within 6" of an enemy at the start of your turn, and is only useful for trying to snipe powerfists from squads, making Warptime useful, but requiring him to purchase a costly Mark of Tzeentch if he wants to use both GoC and Warptime, at which point he become stupidly expensive.

Then you have the 3 Mark powers, out of which Nurgle's Rot is sub-par (s3 ap- hit, nice... not really...), Bolt of Change is basically an AP1 krak missile that you've just payed a stupidly high price for, and Lash of Submission is the only power that doesn't really have a drawback, especially coming from the cheapest mark.

Factor in the Sorcerer's lack of psychic defense, and the fact that half of his statline doesn't matter, and you've got a jolly overpriced model that can be outperformed by a Daemon Prince in all bar hiding; the only benefits of taking a Sorcerer are that he can join a squad and ride around in a rhino, firing lash out of it with relative impunity.

Chaos sorcerers don't suck, but they could use the 5th edition power bump that the Space Marine Librarians got.

Psybolt ammo on GK dreads.

Why on earth Mat Ward thought that upgrading two BS4/5 TL Autocannons to S8 was only a 5pt upgrade is beyond me.

Wolf Totem any one?

I can't believe no one has mentioned Psybolt Ammo....

So cost effective it's broken.

Xenocidal Maniac wrote:I can't believe no one has mentioned Psybolt Ammo....

So cost effective it's broken.

People have mentioned it... twice, on dreads most of all, 5 pts for a twinlinked krak missle platform of doom against tanks.

Cybork Body - 10pts for a 5++ on your already hard as nail Warboss. Nice

Nightfields - 10pts to reduce a weapon's maximum range by 6", effectively trolling meltas.

Phylactery - 15pts, and on a 6 the lord comes back with 3 wounds! ...And then he gets hit by a vindicator.

Warscythe.
WAY to cheap for what it does.

RaptorsTallon wrote:Warscythe.
WAY to cheap for what it does.

It's also the one of the few things that makes the cron army playable.

Space Marine Terminator Assault Squad:

0 points for Thunder Hammer and 3++ Storm Shield.

And thus players of 40k were introduced to era of Mat Ward. It was grim and dark.

I've got to go with whoever said meltaguns. All this other stuff is nice, I guess, but if I can have a meltagun, I take a meltagun.

Tau multi-tracker for 5 points.

Lets your suits fire both weapons, and lets tanks count as fast for the purpose of firing.


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kronk wrote:Honorable Mention: Tank Hunters on Cyclone Missile Launcher sporting Black Templar Terminators. Only 3 points per teminator.

Also, it will make their storm bolters S5, which can glance a rhino.


2nd honorable mention: Furious Charge on Black Templar Assault terminators. 3 points per model for +1I and +1S doesn't suck with Lightning claws that reroll to hit and wound.

It basically makes their storm-bolters a short-range version of the gun every single infantry model in my army gets.

Impressive.

TutorialBoss wrote:Space Marine Terminator Assault Squad:

0 points for Thunder Hammer and 3++ Storm Shield.

And thus players of 40k were introduced to era of Mat Ward. It was grim and dark.

Indeed, not something the game needed. True, TH/SS termi's were lacking something, but making it 3++ for CC only would have made them very popular regardless, 3++ against shooting as well, for zero cost increase, is more than a wee bit overdone and has lead to the extinction of other terminator types in C:SM armies.

im2randomghgh wrote:Tau multi-tracker for 5 points.

Lets your suits fire both weapons, and lets tanks count as fast for the purpose of firing.

I would have thought that the Disruption Pods would have been by far the better ones. Multitrackers on suits are 20% of their base points costs. Very good, but not cheap and vital for the proper functioning of the unit. On tanks, it depends entirely on what its armed with and what its shooting at. The 5pts for 4+ cover against anything further than 12" away is incredible, and gives Tau much needed resiliency for almost nothing, I've seen 20-30pts of such upgrades swing games entirely on their own more than once.

It basically makes their storm-bolters a short-range version of the gun every single infantry model in my army gets.

Impressive.

On far superior troops that can move and fire at full effect (and functionally giving them the same threat radius but with twice as many shots at that long range as Fire Warriors against vehicles), it makes a whole lot more difference, though at the same time I wouldn't say its really worth it.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

RaptorsTallon wrote:Warscythe.
WAY to cheap for what it does.

It's also the one of the few things that makes the cron army playable.

I have to +1 this. A power weapon that kills invulns is amazingly good, sucks that it's only close combat in a shooty army ( but great use as a buffer or a Deathstar killer) .

psybolt for Dreads. The difference between putting a wound on something and exploding T4 with ID (and all the consequences like no FNP) is a world of difference why this was 5 on dreads while storm ravens pay like 20(?) makes no sense. Ward clearly didn't see the huge step adding +1 S does

im2randomghgh wrote:


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kronk wrote:Honorable Mention: Tank Hunters on Cyclone Missile Launcher sporting Black Templar Terminators. Only 3 points per teminator.

Also, it will make their storm bolters S5, which can glance a rhino.


2nd honorable mention: Furious Charge on Black Templar Assault terminators. 3 points per model for +1I and +1S doesn't suck with Lightning claws that reroll to hit and wound.

It basically makes their storm-bolters a short-range version of the gun every single infantry model in my army gets.

Impressive.

They move 6" and shoot 24", same as a pulse rifle.
Psybolts are better for that purpose, but S9 ML is the good part.

im2randomghgh wrote:
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kronk wrote:Honorable Mention: Tank Hunters on Cyclone Missile Launcher sporting Black Templar Terminators. Only 3 points per teminator.

Also, it will make their storm bolters S5, which can glance a rhino.


2nd honorable mention: Furious Charge on Black Templar Assault terminators. 3 points per model for +1I and +1S doesn't suck with Lightning claws that reroll to hit and wound.

It basically makes their storm-bolters a short-range version of the gun every single infantry model in my army gets.

Impressive.

Nice. But you're focusing on the wrong part. Do you have something that can move 6", shoot 4 times at S9AP3, and then assault what it shot with 5 powerfists at S9 (if the launchers didn't kill it's target) while sporting a 2+/5++?

Didn't think so...