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Sounds interesting if its restricted to units. Could this be a hint towards changes or trends in 6th edition? This could be horrible for tyranids though.

I thought cleansing was pretty bad for my ork horde, but thats easy to get around. But you shoot one ork boy and 119 others take the hit as well? That is so stupid it makes my head hurt.

Ultrafool wrote:I thought cleansing was pretty bad for my ork horde, but thats easy to get around. But you shoot one ork boy and 119 others take the hit as well? That is so stupid it makes my head hurt.

Agreed. And it makes no sense. How are they getting damaged?
I think the source may have gotten it wrong, or even more likely, made it up.

Ultrafool wrote:I thought cleansing was pretty bad for my ork horde, but thats easy to get around. But you shoot one ork boy and 119 others take the hit as well? That is so stupid it makes my head hurt.

This is why I'm 100% positive this rumor is bubkis.

Ultrafool wrote:I thought cleansing was pretty bad for my ork horde, but thats easy to get around. But you shoot one ork boy and 119 others take the hit as well? That is so stupid it makes my head hurt.

Indeed. It basically one-shots a whole f**king army in a single shooting phase. Matt Ward has clearly overdone himself this time. Deep Striking Land Raiders, Flying Librarian Dreadnoughts and Stormraven Gunships were absolutely nothing compared to this.

I am honestly starting to fear that he will include Chuck Norris in his next "Codex".

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:

Ultrafool wrote:I thought cleansing was pretty bad for my ork horde, but thats easy to get around. But you shoot one ork boy and 119 others take the hit as well? That is so stupid it makes my head hurt.

Indeed. It basically one-shots a whole f**king army in a single shooting phase. Matt Ward has clearly overdone himself this time. Deep Striking Land Raiders, Flying Librarian Dreadnoughts and Stormraven Gunships were absolutely nothing compared to this.

I am honestly starting to fear that he will include Chuck Norris in his next "Codex".

But that would be awesome.
It may have to be Apoc only though.

Cost 5000pts.
S10
WS10
T6
2+ invul
A10
Causes ID regardless of toughness and EW and autopen with AP1 against vehicles.
Rerolls to hit and Wound

Here's the other thing I find annoying about this - this type of rule only encourages weird equipment distribution that is the basis wound allocation shenanigans. Because we need more of that. I mean, I can see it's uses for clearing out Long Fangs as described above, or getting rid of melta-gun carriers. But the solution (which will appeal to modelers) is to individualize each model in the unit as much as possible. Granted, there's only so much of this that you can do in most 10+ man troop units. But in your elites where customization on an individual level is commonly available, you're just going to see folks adding little things here and there to make it harder to kill off swathes of elites.

So what will happen? Troops will be easier to kill and elites will be harder to kill. Hordes will be easier to kill and small, customizable units will be harder to kill.

You know, because hordes are so overpowered in 5E.

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:Indeed. It basically one-shots a whole f**king army in a single shooting phase. Matt Ward has clearly overdone himself this time. Deep Striking Land Raiders, Flying Librarian Dreadnoughts and Stormraven Gunships were absolutely nothing compared to this.

I am honestly starting to fear that he will include Chuck Norris in his next "Codex".

Really? You're complaining about Stormraven Gunships, Deepstriking Land Raiders, and Librarian Dreadnoughts? There is nothing unbalanced with anything you just mentioned. If you're going to complain, do it right and complain about Blood Talons or Daemons in WHFB.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:

Ultrafool wrote:I thought cleansing was pretty bad for my ork horde, but thats easy to get around. But you shoot one ork boy and 119 others take the hit as well? That is so stupid it makes my head hurt.

Indeed. It basically one-shots a whole f**king army in a single shooting phase. Matt Ward has clearly overdone himself this time. Deep Striking Land Raiders, Flying Librarian Dreadnoughts and Stormraven Gunships were absolutely nothing compared to this.

I am honestly starting to fear that he will include Chuck Norris in his next "Codex".

But that would be awesome.
It may have to be Apoc only though.

Cost 5000pts.
S10
WS10
T6
2+ invul
A10
Causes ID regardless of toughness and EW and autopen with AP1 against vehicles.
Rerolls to hit and Wound

Nah, too weak.

Chuck decides his point cost himself.
S11
WS11
BS11
T10
W10
+1 invulnerable
A11

Special Rules: Roundhouse kick: Same as the Crons new feature, works on heroes as well
If I die, you will die also: Whenever (if) Chuck is killed, the resulting shockwave will destroy every single enemy unit that fails its armor save

Sounds like Chicken Little syndrome to me anyway.

Gamers (self included) always claim the sky is falling on a rumor or a possible rule in a new book, and by the time the book actually hits the shelf (and the rule is less uber than believed,usually) it is alreadly labelled OP, Broken, CHEESE! ...

nectarprime wrote:
http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/10/12/network-news-the-necron-rumor-you-need-to-know-and-more/

Rumor has it that a new Necron shooting attack can cause large swaths of your opponents army in a new interesting way. How it works is simple…

1. Necron Shoots Unit
2. Necron Hits Unit
3. Necron player allocates where the wound will be (how this is worded I have no idea)
4. All identical models to the one just shot are now hit
5. Roll to wound all models that are identical
6. Make armor saves were applicable

Here is an example. I shoot Necron weapon at a squad of Long Fangs. I hit and chose my wound to be rolled on a Missile Launcher Long Fang. All Missile Launcher Long Fangs IN THE ENTIRE ARMY are now hit. Now think take this a step further. What if I shoot a Ork Boy?

WTF

I'd say the guy interpreting it wrong I reckon either;

1) All rolled hits are now allocated to that type of model, so picking boy does jack all, since the wounds would be going there anyway, heck that makes it worse you killed 20 boys I'll take 4 from 5 different squads, although good for killing nobs with klaws

or

2) Only allocated to to like models in the unit, i.e good against chaos chosen toting 5 spec weapons so it is a fringe benifit some times when you need a certain weapon gone from a squad but normally not used.


Or more than likely it's a load of crock but if true the 2nd option.

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:

Ultrafool wrote:I thought cleansing was pretty bad for my ork horde, but thats easy to get around. But you shoot one ork boy and 119 others take the hit as well? That is so stupid it makes my head hurt.

Indeed. It basically one-shots a whole f**king army in a single shooting phase. Matt Ward has clearly overdone himself this time. Deep Striking Land Raiders, Flying Librarian Dreadnoughts and Stormraven Gunships were absolutely nothing compared to this.

I am honestly starting to fear that he will include Chuck Norris in his next "Codex".

But that would be awesome.
It may have to be Apoc only though.

Cost 5000pts.
S10
WS10
T6
2+ invul
A10
Causes ID regardless of toughness and EW and autopen with AP1 against vehicles.
Rerolls to hit and Wound

Nah, too weak.

Chuck decides his point cost himself.
S11
WS11
BS11
T10
W10
+1 invulnerable
A11

Special Rules: Roundhouse kick: Every time one of Chuck's attacks hits any enemy model, all other models in your opponent's army suffer 11 hits.
If I die, you will die also: Whenever (if) Chuck is killed, the resulting shockwave will destroy every single enemy unit that fails its armor save

Fixed.

Ascalam wrote:Sounds like Chicken Little syndrome to me anyway.

Gamers (self included) always claim the sky is falling on a rumor or a possible rule in a new book, and by the time the book actually hits the shelf (and the rule is less uber than believed,usually) it is alreadly labelled OP, Broken, CHEESE! ...

Yeah. We should just be grateful for a new codex honestly. 8(?) years have been too long

theharrower wrote:

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:Indeed. It basically one-shots a whole f**king army in a single shooting phase. Matt Ward has clearly overdone himself this time. Deep Striking Land Raiders, Flying Librarian Dreadnoughts and Stormraven Gunships were absolutely nothing compared to this.

I am honestly starting to fear that he will include Chuck Norris in his next "Codex".

Really? You're complaining about Stormraven Gunships, Deepstriking Land Raiders, and Librarian Dreadnoughts? There is nothing unbalanced with anything you just mentioned. If you're going to complain, do it right and complain about Blood Talons or Daemons in WHFB.

When those came out, they raped every player who underestimated them. Seriously, a Deepstriking Librarian Venerable Dread? Sure, I could complain about the ridiculous Grey knight units(eg. Dreadknight) or the hideous Chaos Daemons. But I think you got the point anyways.

theharrower wrote:

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:Indeed. It basically one-shots a whole f**king army in a single shooting phase. Matt Ward has clearly overdone himself this time. Deep Striking Land Raiders, Flying Librarian Dreadnoughts and Stormraven Gunships were absolutely nothing compared to this.

I am honestly starting to fear that he will include Chuck Norris in his next "Codex".

Really? You're complaining about Stormraven Gunships, Deepstriking Land Raiders, and Librarian Dreadnoughts? There is nothing unbalanced with anything you just mentioned. If you're going to complain, do it right and complain about Blood Talons or Daemons in WHFB.

I believe it's the sheer idiocy of the concepts (personally only the middle one for me) he's pointing out that Ward is infamous for. As for the Necrons thing, that's a new low.



This smells of something that would feel at home in Warmachine, where the rule would be reserved for a Warcaster's feat and is balanced by the fact practically everything is overpowered in WM. GW seem to have a trend of porting random rules from the "other systems" into their games with no thought for the context of the larger game. 40k is NOT WM and should not have rules tacked on from it.

snake wrote:

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:

Ultrafool wrote:I thought cleansing was pretty bad for my ork horde, but thats easy to get around. But you shoot one ork boy and 119 others take the hit as well? That is so stupid it makes my head hurt.

Indeed. It basically one-shots a whole f**king army in a single shooting phase. Matt Ward has clearly overdone himself this time. Deep Striking Land Raiders, Flying Librarian Dreadnoughts and Stormraven Gunships were absolutely nothing compared to this.

I am honestly starting to fear that he will include Chuck Norris in his next "Codex".

But that would be awesome.
It may have to be Apoc only though.

Cost 5000pts.
S10
WS10
T6
2+ invul
A10
Causes ID regardless of toughness and EW and autopen with AP1 against vehicles.
Rerolls to hit and Wound

Nah, too weak.

Chuck decides his point cost himself.
S11
WS11
BS11
T10
W10
+1 invulnerable
A11

Special Rules: Roundhouse kick: Every time one of Chuck's attacks hits any enemy model, all other models in your opponent's army suffer 11 hits.
If I die, you will die also: Whenever (if) Chuck is killed, the resulting shockwave will destroy every single enemy unit that fails its armor save

Fixed.

SD
WSAutoHit
BSAutohit
T10
WOver 9000
+1 invulnerable
A20 + every wound caused by him in CC

Unit Type - Monstrous Creature

Special Rules: Roundhouse kick: Every time one of Chuck's attacks hits any enemy model, all other models in your opponent's army suffer 11 hits.
Fist of Norris : Range: Unlimited SD AP1 Assault 20 10" Blast No saves of any type allowed
If I die, you will die also: Whenever (if) Chuck is killed, the resulting shockwave will destroy every single enemy unit. No exceptions
Feel No Pain
Eternal Warrior

Fixed

No pictures yet?

You disappoint me, internet.

Grimtuff wrote:

theharrower wrote:

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:Indeed. It basically one-shots a whole f**king army in a single shooting phase. Matt Ward has clearly overdone himself this time. Deep Striking Land Raiders, Flying Librarian Dreadnoughts and Stormraven Gunships were absolutely nothing compared to this.

I am honestly starting to fear that he will include Chuck Norris in his next "Codex".

Really? You're complaining about Stormraven Gunships, Deepstriking Land Raiders, and Librarian Dreadnoughts? There is nothing unbalanced with anything you just mentioned. If you're going to complain, do it right and complain about Blood Talons or Daemons in WHFB.

I believe it's the sheer idiocy of the concepts (personally only the middle one for me) he's pointing out that Ward is infamous for. As for the Necrons thing, that's a new low.



This smells of something that would feel at home in Warmachine, where the rule would be reserved for a Warcaster's feat and is balanced by the fact practically everything is overpowered in WM. GW seem to have a trend of porting random rules from the "other systems" into their games with no thought for the context of the larger game. 40k is NOT WM and should not have rules tacked on from it.

I don't think any Warcaster has a feat half as awesome as this ability.

I doubt this is 100% correct but it would be absolutely hilarious if it's true.

Sounds crazy, as in a my Orks and Guard will not like that if accurate.


On a side note, a lad who works for us in the shop started Tau at the weekend, and he noted after I was talking to him about Necrons being due (he's not a forum person) that when he was in GW, the GW staff member was showing a customer something up at the till, and fella said, ah good I'll be able to run my Necons as I've been running them then.

They had some kind of pics on the PC screen as well, but he couldn't make them out as it was a poor angle. No idea if thats anything other than a 'I heard it from a red shirt' rumour, but I know the lad well, and I don't think he'd be yanking my chain.

Ixquic wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

theharrower wrote:

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:Indeed. It basically one-shots a whole f**king army in a single shooting phase. Matt Ward has clearly overdone himself this time. Deep Striking Land Raiders, Flying Librarian Dreadnoughts and Stormraven Gunships were absolutely nothing compared to this.

I am honestly starting to fear that he will include Chuck Norris in his next "Codex".

Really? You're complaining about Stormraven Gunships, Deepstriking Land Raiders, and Librarian Dreadnoughts? There is nothing unbalanced with anything you just mentioned. If you're going to complain, do it right and complain about Blood Talons or Daemons in WHFB.

I believe it's the sheer idiocy of the concepts (personally only the middle one for me) he's pointing out that Ward is infamous for. As for the Necrons thing, that's a new low.



This smells of something that would feel at home in Warmachine, where the rule would be reserved for a Warcaster's feat and is balanced by the fact practically everything is overpowered in WM. GW seem to have a trend of porting random rules from the "other systems" into their games with no thought for the context of the larger game. 40k is NOT WM and should not have rules tacked on from it.

I don't think any Warcaster has a feat half as awesome as this ability.

I doubt this is 100% correct but it would be absolutely hilarious if it's true.

The only thing I can think of that is close (i.e. potentially wiping out all of the chod in the army in 1 move) are things like pFeora's and Old Witch's feats. Putting something like that in 40k is potentially game breaking for certain armies and will just exacerbate the wound allocation shenanigans we have with certain units.

There has to be more to this, even if it is true.

There's no way GW would make something that makes you automatically lose every tactical marine on the table.

Manchu wrote:

nectarprime wrote:Please close this thread, thanks mods.

The thread in which this has been mentioned was moved to 40k General Discussions as it's original content was no longer "news." Your thread is "news" and so belongs here in the News & Rumors sub-forum. Thanks!

Actually, there IS a Necron news&rumour thread in the news rumour forum and I posted the (complete) set of BoK rumours there 5 hours earlier:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/402492.page

Enough with the Chuck Norris stats. This is another example of spam, this time it's also off-topic. I get one guy making a Chuck Norris joke here but that's as far as it ever needs to go. Thanks!

Kroothawk wrote:Actually, there IS a Necron news&rumour thread in the news rumour forum and I posted the (complete) set of BoK rumours there 5 hours earlier:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/60/402492.page

Thanks, Kroot. The fact that this news has generated far more conversation as it's own thread justifies it's separate existence for now.

If you call salt, Chuck Norris and "please lock" posts content that is

... Even the unit wide same model gets hit would hurt Nids... because they're required to all be the same (barring special weapon models)

I could see that working as a special weapon for a single unit type in the necron army but not an army wide ability. I'd also find it likely to believe that the effect will have some sort of a effect range (i.e. every similar model within 6" of the target unit is affected or something similar).

Wonder if its the 'Giant' Necromancers ability?

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:Seriously. This is the most game-breaking rule to have ever existed since Fish of Fury and March of Doom.

Thanks Games Workshop.

You mean, the most game breaking rule that hasn't been introduced into the game yet?

That's the problem IMHO; people getting worked up, calling something broken etc. over something that we know very little about, let alone whether it's actually true. I would've hoped that people would learn from past experience to wait until the final product is there (and even later) before calling things broken; it's not like the game is massively imbalanced at the moment as a result of all the broken/over powered stuff that people get worked up about...

You mean, the most game breaking rule that hasn't been introduced into the game yet?

That's the problem IMHO; people getting worked up, calling something broken etc. over something that we know very little about, let alone whether it's actually true. I would've hoped that people would learn from past experience to wait until the final product is there (and even later) before calling things broken; it's not like the game is massively imbalanced at the moment as a result of all the broken/over powered stuff that people get worked up about...

Wait, wait, wait....you are saying to hold off to see if this rumor is true before going into an internet rage fest and selling all our models because "the game is broken?" That is a horrible attitude. This "rational" line of thinking has no place in this scream about rumors thread.

I feel this new codex may be similar to Duke Nukem forever...