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Swara wrote:

Flashman wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

puma713 wrote:And rumor is that Flayed Ones are troops. If this is true, and they're not Failcast, I may have to put together a Flayed Army.

Those models don't look like they could be plastic. The poses are too distinctive to be part of a multi-pose kit, so unless it's some kind of new mono-pose set of plastics, they're Finecast.

Agreed, they scream Finecast to me. That would be odd for a standard troop choice though

It would, but aren't just he immortals and warriors the standard troops?

Dunno, I was reacting to his rumour that they might be troops. Maybe a particular character moves them to troops ala Haemonculi and Wracks...

Swara wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

insaniak wrote:

puma713 wrote:Right. Weren't they supposed to "hide" in the skins of others? Those Flayed Ones don't seem to be hiding at all. Course, maybe the fluff has changed. . .

They hide in the skins of others in order to infiltrate enemy lines. The models presumably are representing them at some point after the 'Ooga Booga!' bit...

Still doesn't make a lot of sense, unless one of the Necrons chose "three-headed mutant" as the theme for his disguise...

As I remember it from the book, they had "flayer disease" which made them want to rip off skin and wear it.

And personally I like this background a lot better. But I do think there was some indication in 3rd edition book that they used the skins for infiltration. I hope that's retconned, though, because it's dumb, and pyschopathic serial-killer robots are cooler and scarier than cunning robots who play dress-up with carcasses.

Sorry about that joke if I've angered anyone. In my defence I'm extremely tired and little drunk right now. Also about his name I've always thought that it was Matt and google gave me this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ward_(game_designer). Am I missing something?

If you read "Dead Men Walking," you'll understand how the whole skins for infiltration thing works.

Swara wrote:

Flashman wrote:

Altruizine wrote:

puma713 wrote:And rumor is that Flayed Ones are troops. If this is true, and they're not Failcast, I may have to put together a Flayed Army.

Those models don't look like they could be plastic. The poses are too distinctive to be part of a multi-pose kit, so unless it's some kind of new mono-pose set of plastics, they're Finecast.

Agreed, they scream Finecast to me. That would be odd for a standard troop choice though

It would, but aren't just he immortals and warriors the standard troops?

I thought it was a character that made them troops? Being elites or fast on a vanilla list. But then nobs and termies are plastic so who knows.

LOL...Man these things are horrible. Ask and ye shall receive!

I bet necron fans are trilled with so many new minis!
Necron was always a bit lacking in diversity but unless codex screws up the balance I think from now on the Necrons will have as much variety as most of the other armies.

Me personally I dislike the models, I mean if they went along the lines of huge robotic insects like the FW stuff I would be pleased but this is more a fantasy tomb kings meets necrons.

I think some of the weapons have potential for nice convos for other armies.

Overall nice sneak peek ( I doubt this is not a controlled leak), lots of new kits for all necron fans and unfortunately the look is a kind of meh for me.

All this talk about DE being better and whatnot, and here I actually thought the DE mini's looked ridiculous.

Wow I turn my back for a couple of hours and theres pages to wade through!

Other reveals that BoW have been putting up look great, loving the new direction that the necrons are taking. But looking at this direction it has me wondering how the fluff behind the army will be hammered out. Also more importantlywondering what else shall be getting the makeover and are GW sugesting the plastics are "safe" to buy just to shift them on...

blood reaper wrote:Interesting design but the Necron pilots set me off a bit, I mean why would Necrons require pilots for their vehicles? I mean, I could see Necron gunners but its not that bad.

As a theory, remember that Necrons aren't "robots" they're people... And presumably, before being Necron-ized they had two legs, two arms, etc. Presumably they can adapt to Destroyer bodies reasonably well (Maybe they acted in a role similar to cavalry in life) but adapting to being a more traditional vehicle might be a bit too much.

combatmedic wrote:

Swara wrote:

It would, but aren't just he immortals and warriors the standard troops?

I thought it was a character that made them troops? Being elites or fast on a vanilla list. But then nobs and termies are plastic so who knows.

I don't know, but the BoW pictures all had small tidbits of info, and this one was about the Immortals and Flayed Ones:

Beasts of War wrote:Brand New Necron Troop Models


Finally, All Necron armies need troops, but what about some new models to represent them?


Check out the Games Workshop's new Flayed Ones and Immortals...

Quick capsule review:

I got mixed feelings about vehicles. Especially Command Barge which reminds me of 70's SF movies and THAT approach to space-alien-tech...
New Immortals and Deathmarks are awesome... Lords look cheesy. Lychguard and their multi-part friends... Will need to see them in my own paint palette, but seem OK.

Now the cherry on top: the new Flayed Ones. Boy I'm happy I bought all metal blisters available in Warsaw few weeks ago Shops were already almost out of stock, but I managed to scavenge 10 metal Flayed Ones and, if you ask me, they look much better then those new grotesque abominations. Banish them all to Haemonculi Zoo! Hope I won't need more than those 10...

Cyrax wrote:Sorry about that joke if I've angered anyone. In my defence I'm extremely tired and little drunk right now. Also about his name I've always thought that it was Matt and google gave me this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Ward_(game_designer). Am I missing something?

You're apparently using Wikipedia as a credible source of information, for starters...

His name is Matthew. Whether you shorten that to 'Matt' or 'Mat' comes down largely to personal preference. 'Matt' is more common, which is why most people default to it.

Lord Magnus wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:

Lord Magnus wrote:

WarlordRob117 wrote:OMG the derp continues... Crons with tails?!?!?!

Next thing y'know they're gonna give space marines wings... oh... wait... yeah... DUR!!!!!!

Still dont make it right...

"Oh my god he's so terrifying he's going to rearrange my face ah... wait... is his tail wagging?!?!?! thats so cute, like a little puppy cron!"

On a side note, some people actually think these models look nice, and since you are now in the negative about this thread, is this really constructive?

Only "allowing" positive comments isn't constructive either...

What I meant is that his negativity is not constructive.

You calling my opinion negative is not constructive... To me my opinion is positive... am I not allowed to joke on the new cron models like people joked on my beloved Draigo? (who does look like he's wearing his oh face... this had nothing to do with me wanting his helmet on BTW)

Again... whats with the flayed ones? its like they purposefully took a unit meant to cause fear and dread even among their own ranks and turned them into a cartoon from Rob Zombies nightmares?

To address what was said about the designer sympathy? then whats the excuse for the last models... the followed the similar formula to the orks... necron warrior=boyz sized, immortals=Nob sized, Lord=Boss sized... I can see them being made a little more elaborate, but for crying out loud... there is so much bling its gonna harder to distinguish now... its like flava flav got ahold of them and put them through some wacky flavanized device... that or the harlequins played a prank on the crons for the stuff the deciever pulled on the laughing god lol

Sorry if all ready said - but hasnt GWs policy of embargoing all info prior to a release backfired specatularly with BOW leak.

Whilst the GW website has posted stupid pictures of studio staff dressed as pirates for weeks on end - theres been no mention of necrons. No teasers - no building up of excitement/interest in this release - instead BOWs site has crashed out of the amount of traffic theyve had and GW have missed a great opportunity to drag people to their site and missed the marketing opportunity of more visitors!!!!!!

Pleases someone - you must check theses boards - sack the person who came up with this crazy strategy and employ someone who really knows how to market products!!!!

Bet thisll take the shine of the mistep that is Dreadful Fleet!

HoundyDog wrote:Sorry if all ready said - but hasnt GWs policy of embargoing all info prior to a release backfired specatularly with BOW leak.

Whilst the GW website has posted stupid pictures of studio staff dressed as pirates for weeks on end - theres been no mention of necrons. No teasers - no building up of excitement/interest in this release - instead BOWs site has crashed out of the amount of traffic theyve had and GW have missed a great opportunity to drag people to their site and missed the marketing opportunity of more visitors!!!!!!

Pleases someone - you must check theses boards - sack the person who came up with this crazy strategy and employ someone who really knows how to market products!!!!

Bet thisll take the shine of the mistep that is Dreadful Fleet!

On the contrary, it makes the leak all the more omg newsworthy. Maybe they leaked it themselves?

MunkeyKungFu wrote:

HoundyDog wrote:Sorry if all ready said - but hasnt GWs policy of embargoing all info prior to a release backfired specatularly with BOW leak.

Whilst the GW website has posted stupid pictures of studio staff dressed as pirates for weeks on end - theres been no mention of necrons. No teasers - no building up of excitement/interest in this release - instead BOWs site has crashed out of the amount of traffic theyve had and GW have missed a great opportunity to drag people to their site and missed the marketing opportunity of more visitors!!!!!!

Pleases someone - you must check theses boards - sack the person who came up with this crazy strategy and employ someone who really knows how to market products!!!!

Bet thisll take the shine of the mistep that is Dreadful Fleet!

On the contrary, it makes the leak all the more omg newsworthy. Maybe they leaked it themselves?

Dont agree - BOW get all the credit/publicity and in the process GW look icompetent at keeping to their own policy whether or not they leaked it. Marketing 1-0-1 - control your own product - they cant!! Its like Apple leaking the iphone 4.5 to microsoft and let them make the announcement - doesnt make sense!

Yeah, wasn't the Ogre Kingdom stuff leaked about a week in advance of the official GW announcement? If things continue to follow this pattern the only reasonable conclusion is that GW is comfortable with and/or intentionally facilitating the leaks, as long as they adhere to that timeline.

HoundyDog wrote:

MunkeyKungFu wrote:

HoundyDog wrote:Sorry if all ready said - but hasnt GWs policy of embargoing all info prior to a release backfired specatularly with BOW leak.

Whilst the GW website has posted stupid pictures of studio staff dressed as pirates for weeks on end - theres been no mention of necrons. No teasers - no building up of excitement/interest in this release - instead BOWs site has crashed out of the amount of traffic theyve had and GW have missed a great opportunity to drag people to their site and missed the marketing opportunity of more visitors!!!!!!

Pleases someone - you must check theses boards - sack the person who came up with this crazy strategy and employ someone who really knows how to market products!!!!

Bet thisll take the shine of the mistep that is Dreadful Fleet!

On the contrary, it makes the leak all the more omg newsworthy. Maybe they leaked it themselves?

Dont agree - BOW get all the credit/publicity and in the process GW look icompetent at keeping to their own policy whether or not they leaked it. Marketing 1-0-1 - control your own product - they cant!!

First of all, the policy was never set forth explicitly by GW or publicly announced to their fanbase at large. The only people who are aware of it are those that pursue GW rumours and news online. Secondly, those same people are all capable of putting 2 and 2 together and realizing that GW are behind the leaks (assuming, as I said, that things continue to reflect this pattern).

GW wants sales not credit.

As I've said before I think that GW are rather more savvy than the Internet "experts" give them credit for. Who knows they could be a Market leader someday.

notprop wrote:GW wants sales not credit.

WELL SAID SIR... GOOD FORM!!!

Lord Magnus wrote:Out of curiosity, what is the big problem people have with finecast? Is it the resin?

I think it's the reports of high defect counts.

insaniak wrote:His name is Matthew. Whether you shorten that to 'Matt' or 'Mat' comes down largely to personal preference. 'Matt' is more common, which is why most people default to it.

vs.

Manchu wrote:let me just point ou that Mat Ward (MAT MAT MAT ONE FREAKING "T" FOR CRYING IN THE BLOOD!)

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WarlordRob117 wrote:
"Oh my god he's so terrifying he's going to rearrange my face ah... wait... is his tail wagging?!?!?! thats so cute, like a little puppy cron!"

In all fairness, the Xenomorphs from the Alien series had tails and could be quite scary. Skeletal looking tails kind of like this, even, although much longer.

notprop wrote:GW wants sales not credit.

As I've said before I think that GW are rather more savvy than the Internet "experts" give them credit for. Who knows they could be a Market leader someday.

I think this is naive: to think that GW doesn't care at all about Marketing, and only wants sales. If so, why create a Facebook page, why have the little quirky things they do on the website? To drive you to the website. You know what happens if you're driven to the website? You may make a purchase. You may not, but the chance is there. If all of the traffic that had been going to Beasts of War today went to Games Workshop instead, someone might have seen Dreadfleet that hadn't seen it before. Someone might have read an article that really pushed them into starting that new Khorne Berzerker army. Whatever it is. Having another website leaking your information (intentional or not) is counter-intuitive marketing-wise. If you want the drive and you want the groundswell of newsworthy release, it is not going to detract from it if you release it yourself.

I think it's interesting to call them 'savvy' and then saying they're more interested in sales than in where the information comes from. That is not marketing. Even if they are trying 'viral' marketing - it would still go viral if they released it themselves.

It's backwards logic. If you go into a store and ask them about their new product, they're going to bend over backwards to tell you about it and hopefully, you'll leave with either one in hand, one ordered or with the intention of ordering. If you walk into a GW and ask them about the new Necron stuff, they'll stare at you with a blank face and say, "keep watching White Dwarf!"

That's not marketing.

Let's pick it up over here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/403994.page