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Can the Necrons cross the Milky Way in a couple of weeks?

Psienesis wrote:Can the Necrons cross the Milky Way in a couple of weeks?

Yes, I do believe they can.

It doesn't matter anyway, Necrons are not part of the IoM.

Yeah, I was going to add that before we digressed any further...

... though Necros vs Anzat (the Immortal Space-Vampire Undeady Things) from SW might be an interesting thing... though as the Anzat only show up in a very few SW sources, I'm not sure what sort of military capabilities they have...

... they eat brains though. They call it "soup".

I think people are vastly over rating Jedi's.

The clone troopers who at the end of the day were just very well trained normal humans took thousands of them down.

Simo429 wrote:I think people are vastly over rating Jedi's.

The clone troopers who at the end of the day were just very well trained normal humans took thousands of them down.

Exactly. So what if a solitary Jedi could take down a star ship? That was one guy, a rare occurrence. If every single Jedi could do that then they wouldn't have been wiped out.

That would be like saying any marine could rip tanks in half, just because a primarch could.

Again, they did clone star killer, so it could be doen again, ang again, and again, and again, etc etc.

Thus it could be possible to have an army of these individuals. Along with the cloaning techs that make cloans compleatly obidiant it would be a very potent force.

jacetms87 wrote:Again, they did clone star killer, so it could be doen again, ang again, and again, and again, etc etc.

Thus it could be possible to have an army of these individuals. Along with the cloaning techs that make cloans compleatly obidiant it would be a very potent force.

Until the thrawn books you couldn't clone people that quickly and then you had to have the specialised creatures that I can't spell to do it.

GKs are totally ass-kicking motherfethers with psychic powers and force weapons... until someone drops a psychic nullifying effect and takes all that away.

Sort of the same thing with the Jedi in the Clone Wars. The Force was becoming "clouded", which prevented most of their precognitive powers from working. Think of it as "Shadow of the Warp" or something similar to that.

Of course, there is also the fact that when you're filming a prequel trilogy that changes certain previously-fundamental facts about a setting or story, certain things are going to happen that might not otherwise have been possible. Think of it as "plot armor", but in reverse. There needed to be no Jedi at the end of the Clone Wars, excepting Yoda and Kenobi, balanced by 2 Sith on the other side, Sidious and Vader... and the 501st Stormtrooper Legion was already going to be a thing, and so you have Jedi dying by the dozens (not thousands, there weren't that many Jedi left at the time) to Clone Troopers.

This besides the fact that the Jedi of this era were a shadow of the former strength and glories of the Jedi (such as the Jedi of the Army of Light, circa 2000 years BBY)... of course, so were the Sith, but that's a different matter.

But, on yet another hand, do you really need more than one Jedi of that power? If a single Primarch on the field of battle during the Great Crusade could determine the course of the battle, then having a single Jedi of that power is much the same thing. You don't need an army of Primarchs when one will suffice. One Starkiller, or one Vader, or, hell, one Revan might be enough to swing the battle in the Empire's favor.

Getting more into the "mechanics" of the game, for example... let's say one of these Jedi has the Force-power Battle Meditation. This only makes an in-universe appearance in KOTOR, but is mentioned several times throughout EU novels, a couple comics, KOTOR2, and so forth. This power, in a 40K sense, adds a bonus to WS, BS and LD for your side, and requires the opposing side to take an LD test every time they want to do something.

Of course, this is not to say that the GE would stomp a mudhole in the IoM or anything like that... these will not be lopsided, easy win battles for either side, no matter who wins.

... but, again, this is old ground that we are treading here, and there's a thread on this very topic probably 5 pages back already in this or the Background forum.

Until the thrawn books you couldn't clone people that quickly and then you had to have the specialised creatures that I can't spell to do it

Yeah, sort of. However, they did clone Starkiller, that's part of the premise of Force Unleashed 2 since you (spoilery spoilers ahead if you care don't keep reading, omgomgomg spoilers, don't say I didn't warn you) die, like in a huge, violently explosive, ain't-no-way-anyone-survived-that way at the end of Force Unleashed.

On the issue of the ships it should be remembered how ruthless the IOM are, they would think nothing of just flying ships into a star destroyer.

Psienesis
I have played force unleashed but I'm not sure if you would class it as canon, normally games aren't written with fluff in mind.

I have played force unleashed but I'm not sure if you would class it as canon, normally games aren't written with fluff in mind.

I would, as the Holocron, Lucasarts' internal database of canon and continuity, lists all Star Wars video games as canon to the setting, assigning them a canon rating of S-canon (Secondary canon).

The Galactic empire has clones. The imperium doesnt. If they managed to rebuild the Star Forge and have Bastillas battle meditation the Imperium would not have had a chance.
Besides if the elite clone troopers beyond the skill of stormtroopers cant kill a few teenagers running around, do space marines have a chance?

The Cheese! THE CHEESE!

Space Crusader wrote:The Galactic empire has clones. The imperium doesnt. If they managed to rebuild the Star Forge and have Bastillas battle meditation the Imperium would not have had a chance.
Besides if the elite clone troopers beyond the skill of stormtroopers cant kill a few teenagers running around, do space marines have a chance?

The Cheese! THE CHEESE!

Well yes, because the Marines are a lot nastier than the clone troopers.

Answer choice C) Other: the Culture

Close combat/force on force; IoM will more likely win if SM were a huge component of the Task Force assigned for ground operation. If straight up between Imperial Guard and Clone/Storm troopers then GE will more likely win due to the amount fire power the GE is able to bring to bear. Course it depends who arrive on the battlefield with most infantry and support and able to dictate the flow of the battle. Terrain another major factor to.

Air Supremacy be up in the air due to how armor IoM aircraft air compare to the amount of Tie fighters/bombers the GE is able to field. Huge factor to determined that outcome is aircraft support IE; airfield support either on ground or vessel bays. Ability to replace, rearm, refuel, and repair aircrafts is a huge factor that plays out over the course of the battle.

Naval Combat; well....besides Star Destroyers I do know there were two super star destroyers GE had. As for naval make up of IoM no telling what would come into battle. All depends on the make up of the fleet and what each side is willing to commit. If protracted over a seris of battle I edge towards GE due to the fact the IoM flow of information is to say the least....slow. Information is gold

just saying this off the top of my mind. There's more to it then stating who will win and why. Logistics a Mofo and unforgiven if screwed up on the get go

Personally I would still go for the IOM

Firstly quantity has a quality all of its own, the imperium can filled armies of trillions something that the emipre just cannot do.
Secondly because of elite troops, I don't believe that your average Jedi could take your average space marine and to go back to my first point there are a million space marines in the Imperium of man there are <10 Jedi in the empire.
Thirdly the length to win a war that the factions would go, the Empire destroyed one planet to win a war, the imperium would destroy a 100 planets just to slow down a loss.

I would say the imperuim of man is far superior to the Galatic Empire.

The IOM has lasted ten thousand years fighting multiple races and empires while the Galactic Empire struggles to fight rebels.

where you get force users in the Galatic Empire who are in small numbers you get psykers who are in large numbers in the IOM

And I'll sate this, if an Army of stormtroopers can get overwhelmed by 3ft tall ewoks then I don't see how they can face IOM without getting their arses handed to them.

Their soldiers can apparently be defeated by a bunch of teddy bears with rocks...

Basing off the movies/hollywood/books on the capabilities of military units is far fetch. Ewoks won because ewoks were cute. Tyranids will win because they have the "Aliens" concept going for them. IoM will win because they have the human wave attacks. GE will win because of the emperor. IoM will win because they're willing to "scortch earth planets. GE will win because they experiment with a "Zombie" virus. IoM will win because they have Space Marines. GE will win because they have Dark Troopers. GE will win because they're willing to contaminate the Bacta supply for the galaxy. IoM will win because they have Ultramarines. GE will win because they employ Talon Karde/Bobba Fett. IoM will win because everyone thinks the Jedi/Sith will be a major factor in unit deployments. Are we including rebels with GE? IoM will win because they have Inquisition...who the hell would say no to a inquisitor besides a Space Marine Chapter Master? GE would win because when the population of the IoM see the higher standard of living of the typical GE civilian they will revolt and start a civil rights movement. GE civilian will enlist into the GE military cause they sure as hell don't want to live IoM standard of living. IoM will win because their society is geared towards war production. Rebels will join the GE when they see how worse the IoM government is compared to the Emperor.

well...

If I was GE...I do a drive by nuke sacraficing as many ships as I need too to vaporize the golden throne just to unleash the daemons from the warp to do clean up

Jihadin wrote:Basing off the movies/hollywood/books on the capabilities of military units is far fetch. Ewoks won because ewoks were cute. Tyranids will win because they have the "Aliens" concept going for them. IoM will win because they have the human wave attacks. GE will win because of the emperor. IoM will win because they're willing to "scortch earth planets. GE will win because they experiment with a "Zombie" virus. IoM will win because they have Space Marines. GE will win because they have Dark Troopers. GE will win because they're willing to contaminate the Bacta supply for the galaxy. IoM will win because they have Ultramarines. GE will win because they employ Talon Karde/Bobba Fett. IoM will win because everyone thinks the Jedi/Sith will be a major factor in unit deployments. Are we including rebels with GE? IoM will win because they have Inquisition...who the hell would say no to a inquisitor besides a Space Marine Chapter Master? GE would win because when the population of the IoM see the higher standard of living of the typical GE civilian they will revolt and start a civil rights movement. GE civilian will enlist into the GE military cause they sure as hell don't want to live IoM standard of living. IoM will win because their society is geared towards war production. Rebels will join the GE when they see how worse the IoM government is compared to the Emperor.

well...

If I was GE...I do a drive by nuke sacraficing as many ships as I need too to vaporize the golden throne just to unleash the daemons from the warp to do clean up

Have fun dying as you try to breach the most heavily defended areas in the Imperium of Man.

hence sacraficing ships to breach the defense around earth just to get a couple nukes in. Who says Tie fighters/shuttles can't carry nukes?

Coolyo294 wrote:

Jihadin wrote:Basing off the movies/hollywood/books on the capabilities of military units is far fetch. Ewoks won because ewoks were cute. Tyranids will win because they have the "Aliens" concept going for them. IoM will win because they have the human wave attacks. GE will win because of the emperor. IoM will win because they're willing to "scortch earth planets. GE will win because they experiment with a "Zombie" virus. IoM will win because they have Space Marines. GE will win because they have Dark Troopers. GE will win because they're willing to contaminate the Bacta supply for the galaxy. IoM will win because they have Ultramarines. GE will win because they employ Talon Karde/Bobba Fett. IoM will win because everyone thinks the Jedi/Sith will be a major factor in unit deployments. Are we including rebels with GE? IoM will win because they have Inquisition...who the hell would say no to a inquisitor besides a Space Marine Chapter Master? GE would win because when the population of the IoM see the higher standard of living of the typical GE civilian they will revolt and start a civil rights movement. GE civilian will enlist into the GE military cause they sure as hell don't want to live IoM standard of living. IoM will win because their society is geared towards war production. Rebels will join the GE when they see how worse the IoM government is compared to the Emperor.

well...

If I was GE...I do a drive by nuke sacraficing as many ships as I need too to vaporize the golden throne just to unleash the daemons from the warp to do clean up

Have fun dying as you try to breach the most heavily defended areas in the Imperium of Man.

This and...
There are beings in the Astartes that match the emperor.
Space Marines > Dark Trooper
I doubt Bobba Fett would kill anyone of importance
You all would still die.

Jihadin wrote:hence sacraficing ships to breach the defense around earth just to get a couple nukes in. Who says Tie fighters/shuttles can't carry nukes?

Who said they can?

Tie Fighters are pretty small, They arn't going to be carrying very big nukes. And does Star Wars even have Nukes?

Shuttles are very slow and clunky.



Even assuming this can happen, there are too many other variables for them to do this. How many ships would it take to create such an opening(my guess is the entire Imperial Fleet) How many fighters would it take to get past the defenses(uncountable) How do they know where the Sanctum Imperialis is? Can a Nuke even damage the darn thing(Shielding, Physical defense)

Grey Templar wrote:
Even assuming this can happen, there are too many other variables for them to do this. How many ships would it take to create such an opening(my guess is the entire Imperial Fleet) How many fighters would it take to get past the defenses(uncountable) How do they know where the Sanctum Imperialis is? Can a Nuke even damage the darn thing(Shielding, Physical defense)

This. There is no way whatsoever that the GE is gonna get through. Think the Death Star is impressive? Just look at Luna...

No doubt the Deathstar is awsome in a one on one fight, but there is only 1, its pretty slow, and its basically a planet.

I would like to see what a Clyclonic Torpedo does to the deathstar, and the IoM can fire lots of ordinance to break through the shields to deliver these planet killers.

I hesitate to bring something like the Death Star into the equation, because against the sorts of things the IoM fields in space, it's an "I win" button.

The super-laser of the DS is similar to a lance strike, in that it is a continuous pulse of energy rather than a "bolt" of energy. Concentrated for even a fraction of a second on a Void Shield, that shield is going to overload and collapse, shortly thereafter followed by the ship behind said shield exploding. The firing rate of such a weapon is fairly low... but it's still faster than anything of equal measure in the Imperium's side (based on length of combat rounds in RT and BFG).

Though, overall, while the Galactic Empire is iconic in the SW universe, there were much larger, much more powerful empires in the history of the SW universe.

Oh, also... forget clones, you can produce a legion of IG-88, or HK-47, assassin droids, or droids of similar models and capabilities, in a matter of hours.

Droids would be a force to be reckoned with, but hardly insurmountable.

The Ad mech could design a computer Virus to take them down if it really can to it, or use EMP attacks to just fry them.

And Assassin Droids would just be used as front line troops. using them as Assassins would be a little difficult as the IoM doesn't use robots, they would stick out like a Honda Civic at a Bike Rally.

Then the IoM has Guardsmen and tons of tanks. The Star Wars universe has tanks, but they don't seem to be a major focus. I don't see much in the way of infantry portable anti-tank weaponry, especially on droids. maybe a larger Blaster and a missile launcher, but they seem almost like afterthoughts in the way of dispensing them to troopers. They really rely on armor engaging armor.

Psienesis wrote:I hesitate to bring something like the Death Star into the equation, because against the sorts of things the IoM fields in space, it's an "I win" button.

The super-laser of the DS is similar to a lance strike, in that it is a continuous pulse of energy rather than a "bolt" of energy. Concentrated for even a fraction of a second on a Void Shield, that shield is going to overload and collapse, shortly thereafter followed by the ship behind said shield exploding. The firing rate of such a weapon is fairly low... but it's still faster than anything of equal measure in the Imperium's side (based on length of combat rounds in RT and BFG).

Though, overall, while the Galactic Empire is iconic in the SW universe, there were much larger, much more powerful empires in the history of the SW universe.

Oh, also... forget clones, you can produce a legion of IG-88, or HK-47, assassin droids, or droids of similar models and capabilities, in a matter of hours.

Yet the death star is destroyed by a few fighters in both movies.

Since this thread JUST happened...let's switch from the old topic to something new-how about the IoM vs. Magneto and his chosen team of mutants? Oh...right, Magneto wins. He crushes all the Space Marines in their armor, sics Wolverine, Sabertooth, X-23, and Deadpool on any survivors (healing factors, y'all), and Fabian Cortez boosts Magneto's powers to levels where he just crushes anything in his way. I'd say Mags and Cortez could do it alone, but I'm giving the IoM the benefit of the doubt. Plus Magneto has his little force-shield. I'd say he's pretty well safe, especially since we know the imperium uses a lot of adamantium based equipment, and we all know how he works with that Also...to the OP...did you REALLY start the IoM vs SW thread while the old one is LOCKED ON THE FIRST PAGE?!

well...first one by trusting in the force and when to apply the 5lbs trigger squeeze to launch a photon torpedo. 2nd one was design flaw. If planning the defense of the 2nd DeathStar I and the rest you all would not leave tunnels with a straight shot into the core undefended or open. As far advance as GE I'm sure they make small enough to get into a tie fighter. Over saturation of targets if a full court press into the solar system. something will get through. Of course that could be a diversion while a team of Yuuzhan Vong in a coral ship plant a dovin basal on earth surface to pull the moon from orbit to collide into earth. Since Tyranids are hard to detect untill its to late and the Vong has the same bio concept I see them being hard to detect and getting away with it.


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That was IoM vs Earth.

Jihadin wrote:well...first one by trusting in the force and when to apply the 5lbs trigger squeeze to launch a photon torpedo. 2nd one was design flaw. If planning the defense of the 2nd DeathStar I and the rest you all would not leave tunnels with a straight shot into the core undefended or open. As far advance as GE I'm sure they make small enough to get into a tie fighter. Over saturation of targets if a full court press into the solar system. something will get through. Of course that could be a diversion while a team of Yuuzhan Vong in a coral ship plant a dovin basal on earth surface to pull the moon from orbit to collide into earth. Since Tyranids are hard to detect untill its to late and the Vong has the same bio concept I see them being hard to detect and getting away with it.


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That was IoM vs Earth.

The entire debate is based around the IoM versus the GE, the Vong aren't part of this. If the GE get the Vong, then we add the Chaos Gods or the Necrons to the equation and giggle. And no, "something" isn't going to get through, Terra is unbelieveably well-defended.