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CaptKaruthors wrote:Meh, the Helbrect thing doesn't bother me as all that does is explain how he got his bionic right arm. The model actually has it at least.

I didn't hear this much whining when the swarmlord beat marneus calgar half to death. Does Helbrecht have some pocket fanbase I was unaware of?

ShumaGorath wrote:I didn't hear this much whining when the swarmlord beat marneus calgar half to death. Does Helbrecht have some pocket fanbase I was unaware of?

That's probably more to do with the Ultras having a (not so) pocket hatebase.

To the guys saying the Ultras never got beat up.. there are several novels and stories about them having their butts handed to them.

Damnos anyone? even in the book, Sicarius gets beat and it's obvious the marines lose like they do in the codex.

KOS wrote:If someone is interested about it, the Silver Skulls chapter has been wiped out by them.

Really? The whole chapter wiped out? Someone oughtta tell Sarah Cawkwell that Mat Ward killed her chapter!

I guess, if you aren't into just playing "historical" battles you'd probably just better play Ultramarines. I mean, how long until Ward decides to wipe out a 1st Founding Legion?

"Hmmm... who should be the victim of my next Billy Badass Chapter Master? Night Lords? They're pretty hard, right? Yeah, it'd be awesome if I had Chapter Master Vargo Uberslaught WIPED THEM FROM THE FACE OF THE GALAXY! WARD POWERS ACTIVATE!"

The tyranids wiped out like four or five chapters in their book and no one gave a damn. Space Marine chapters have a lot of churn, they get wiped out. That's why there are so many and why they keep making more.

IdentifyZero wrote:To the guys saying the Ultras never got beat up.. there are several novels and stories about them having their butts handed to them.

Damnos anyone? even in the book, Sicarius gets beat and it's obvious the marines lose like they do in the codex.

This.

I don't understand the whole 'Ultramarines are the golden children of GW'-mentality... they get their butts handed to them regularly in the books... sure they have 'amazing feats' and have done what would be deemed as incredible, but all marines are like that... They are all genetically modified and superhuman beings of immense skill and power. They were never meant to be anything less. In fact, it should prove just how nasty the baddies are when they trounce the marines.

Oh, on another note... Sanctuary 101 had nothing extra other than it was Imotech that did it...

Gah, too much traffic! That is so frustrating!

Damn it.

Anyone know a way around this? Haha, we stayed up all night getting that done.

Reecius wrote:Gah, too much traffic! That is so frustrating!

Damn it.

Anyone know a way around this? Haha, we stayed up all night getting that done.

Load it up to you tube.


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Revarien wrote:

IdentifyZero wrote:To the guys saying the Ultras never got beat up.. there are several novels and stories about them having their butts handed to them.

Damnos anyone? even in the book, Sicarius gets beat and it's obvious the marines lose like they do in the codex.

This.

I don't understand the whole 'Ultramarines are the golden children of GW'-mentality... they get their butts handed to them regularly in the books... sure they have 'amazing feats' and have done what would be deemed as incredible, but all marines are like that... They are all genetically modified and superhuman beings of immense skill and power. They were never meant to be anything less. In fact, it should prove just how nasty the baddies are when they trounce the marines.

Oh, on another note... Sanctuary 101 had nothing extra other than it was Imotech that did it...

It has a lot to do with how they're written in the ultramarines book. They're not just Marines, they're the best marines possible.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

KOS wrote:If someone is interested about it, the Silver Skulls chapter has been wiped out by them.

Really? The whole chapter wiped out? Someone oughtta tell Sarah Cawkwell that Mat Ward killed her chapter!

I guess, if you aren't into just playing "historical" battles you'd probably just better play Ultramarines. I mean, how long until Ward decides to wipe out a 1st Founding Legion?

"Hmmm... who should be the victim of my next Billy Badass Chapter Master? Night Lords? They're pretty hard, right? Yeah, it'd be awesome if I had Chapter Master Vargo Uberslaught WIPED THEM FROM THE FACE OF THE GALAXY! WARD POWERS ACTIVATE!"

As I said in a previous comment, they did not get wiped out. Pg 26 of the codex. '859.M41 The Traveller Has Come'.

*edit* added spoiler tag

Looks promising from what I've read so far. But, why did they bring back the Fabius Bile idea?

ShumaGorath wrote:
It has a lot to do with how they're written in the ultramarines book. They're not just Marines, they're the best marines possible.

But every codex makes their own army look amazing... with grandiose feats of legend... Every single one (no I don't count White Dwarf 'Codex').... The only one I can think of that bad mouth's itself is the Genestealer Cult 'Dex' in the Warjournal mag... it even says "why would you play this army? Good question... ".

People just latched onto it because of Ward's extravagant writing style... and granted, it is verbose and overly opulent, but it is no more crazy than a LOT of science fiction out there... though it has a lot of fantasy [writing] elements tossed in for good measure.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of his style, but I have to say that the Necron Codex (and I've read 90% of it), has been his best work yet...

Seems to be a theme of "doom is coming to the Imperium" in the Ward books. In the GK book it's stated that Justicar Thawn knows that "eventually Chaos will win." Also the mention of a GK prophecy or something where a "warrior who dies at the feet of the golden throne."

With all of this being taken into consideration, maybe, just maybe those whispers of the Imperium getting it's butt handed to it in 6th edition is true? Still doubtful that they would actually go that far in the fluff, but who knows.

Revarien wrote: As I said in a previous comment, they did not get wiped out. Pg 26 of the codex. '859.M41 The Traveller Has Come'.

Ha...nice Ghostbusters reference.

Revarien wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:
It has a lot to do with how they're written in the ultramarines book. They're not just Marines, they're the best marines possible.

But every codex makes their own army look amazing... with grandiose feats of legend... Every single one (no I don't count White Dwarf 'Codex').... The only one I can think of that bad mouth's itself is the Genestealer Cult 'Dex' in the Warjournal mag... it even says "why would you play this army? Good question... ".

People just latched onto it because of Ward's extravagant writing style... and granted, it is verbose and overly opulent, but it is no more crazy than a LOT of science fiction out there... though it has a lot of fantasy [writing] elements tossed in for good measure.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of his style, but I have to say that the Necron Codex (and I've read 90% of it), has been his best work yet...

The space marine codex isn't the ultramarines codex. It encompasses every space marine chapter not based on one of the other founding legion books. The Ultramarines are described as superior to all of them and the dark angels and space wolves are described as non functioning near heretical sub marines. Basically everything thats not ultramarines in the book is dirt and yet ultramarines are but a fraction of the space marine chapters. It's badly written fanfluff.

$pider wrote:Seems to be a theme of "doom is coming to the Imperium" in the Ward books. In the GK book it's stated that Justicar Thawn knows that "eventually Chaos will win." Also the mention of a GK prophecy or something where a "warrior who dies at the feet of the golden throne."

With all of this being taken into consideration, maybe, just maybe those whispers of the Imperium getting it's butt handed to it in 6th edition is true? Still doubtful that they would actually go that far in the fluff, but who knows.

Remember that the rulebook's fluff states that the end is approaching for the Imperium of Man.

CadianXV wrote:

$pider wrote:Seems to be a theme of "doom is coming to the Imperium" in the Ward books. In the GK book it's stated that Justicar Thawn knows that "eventually Chaos will win." Also the mention of a GK prophecy or something where a "warrior who dies at the feet of the golden throne."

With all of this being taken into consideration, maybe, just maybe those whispers of the Imperium getting it's butt handed to it in 6th edition is true? Still doubtful that they would actually go that far in the fluff, but who knows.

Remember that the rulebook's fluff states that the end is approaching for the Imperium of Man.

True, but I don't recall seeing this much of it in the codex releases as well. I could be wrong though.

CadianXV wrote:

$pider wrote:Seems to be a theme of "doom is coming to the Imperium" in the Ward books. In the GK book it's stated that Justicar Thawn knows that "eventually Chaos will win." Also the mention of a GK prophecy or something where a "warrior who dies at the feet of the golden throne."

With all of this being taken into consideration, maybe, just maybe those whispers of the Imperium getting it's butt handed to it in 6th edition is true? Still doubtful that they would actually go that far in the fluff, but who knows.

Remember that the rulebook's fluff states that the end is approaching for Mankind.

Fixed it.
The full circle.....


Waiting for the necrons altered course begins to challenge my patience.
*Needs the damned book NOW. *
Good were the days when pre-order was an option and meant you'll have your copy at or slightly before release date.

sorry about the technical difficulties everyone heres the new link brought to you by frontlinegaming. http://www.podcastrevolution.com/viewpodcast.php?pid=2280

$pider wrote:

CadianXV wrote:

$pider wrote:Seems to be a theme of "doom is coming to the Imperium" in the Ward books. In the GK book it's stated that Justicar Thawn knows that "eventually Chaos will win." Also the mention of a GK prophecy or something where a "warrior who dies at the feet of the golden throne."

With all of this being taken into consideration, maybe, just maybe those whispers of the Imperium getting it's butt handed to it in 6th edition is true? Still doubtful that they would actually go that far in the fluff, but who knows.

Remember that the rulebook's fluff states that the end is approaching for the Imperium of Man.

True, but I don't recall seeing this much of it in the codex releases as well. I could be wrong though.

Excepting the lats necron codex of course.


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I don't understand why this isn't just up on youtube. It could of been up hours ago.

All I get is text, put it on youtube.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

KOS wrote:-Helbrecht had his right hand cut down and humiliated

HELBRECHT? If I'm not mistaken, he's not even a primarch! I expected more from you Mr. Ward.

No he is the chapter master (High Marshal) of the Black Templars.

This shall not stand I tell you!

Hey the page is refrencing this url until they get it fixed.

http://www.podcastrevolution.com/file/arther66/audio/Signals_from_the_frontline_episode3.mp3

Any sly winks to Gorkamorka in the fluff amongst all that Space Marine bashing?

(Gorkamorka was not so subtly set on a Necron Tomb World)

EDIT - The Imperial name for the planet was "Angelis"

In the past, a codex/rule book has stuck to inventing a new chapter/craftworld/sept/regiment/waaagh/hive fleet and then summarily destroying them. This was fine, as no one else's 'baby' was railroaded around by a rogue author.

Ward just railroaded not one, but apparently 5-8 'babies' from multiple authors. He didn't invent a new chapter, he didn't 'donate' a new company, he didn't do anything but decide that powerful force X needed to be killed by his GM character to make his GM character more awesome fluff wise.

You know how comic book people deal with these kinds of shenanigans? They just pretend the guy doesn't exist. His fluff isn't real fluff, his railroading of other people's kingdoms/factions never happened, he just writes rules.

In essence, his name is a black hole to me. His fluff disappears forever with the exception of some new retcon which beams out from the event horizon of douchebag-authordom to inform us all that yes, someone did give him a codex after the previous catastrophes.

Slackermagee wrote:In essence, his name is a black hole to me. His fluff disappears forever with the exception of some new retcon which beams out from the event horizon of douchebag-authordom to inform us all that yes, someone did give him a codex after the previous catastrophes.

Love the idea...just wish it would work for me. I'm a Flunny Nutter, and find the background of 40K my main reason for playing the game.

I don't mind amazing feats or legendary sacrifices. I don't mind Chapters being knocked down or out. I don't even mind every single named element in the 40K background being used and abused. After all, that is DRAMATIC!

What I have a problem with is just how over the top it is getting. Grey Knights being lost in the Warp, only to end up carving their initials into a Primarch's heart? Really? Necrons ripping off Space Marine body parts, and then letting them go? What?

I don't mind the End Times. I don't mind Ultramar falling. I don't mind Calgar getting torn in half. What I do mind is Matt Ward carving his initials into the heart of 40K! Just go away! Leave our favorite passtime alone! Go write for Halo or something!

Revarien wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:
It has a lot to do with how they're written in the ultramarines book. They're not just Marines, they're the best marines possible.

But every codex makes their own army look amazing... with grandiose feats of legend... Every single one (no I don't count White Dwarf 'Codex').... The only one I can think of that bad mouth's itself is the Genestealer Cult 'Dex' in the Warjournal mag... it even says "why would you play this army? Good question... ".

The Tau Empire codex doesn't have grandiose feats of legend, or at least not compared to stuff like Draigo. The Tau get beaten back badly by the Imperium in their first conflict (though some of that is the Tau's view that lives are more important than ground so retreat is not shameful), until they eventually grind them to a halt with the Imperium forces over stretched and cut off from supply lines before allowing the IoM forces to withdraw unopposed rather than prolonging the war.

In fact I can't recall any events in that book which strike you as total fan service or ridiculous. Probably the most heroic is Commander Farsight's war against the Orks with a numerically inferior force but that was just excellent use of natural terrain and guerilla tactics along with the fact that he set up his base of operations in a natural fortress so when he was eventually surrounded he could hold off the Ork forces until his army could be evacuated and the Orks, weakened by constantly attacking his forces, could be wiped out by the other Tau forces.

how did you guys like the podcast?

Sigh... another Matt Ward fanfic. Gone is the Lovecraft inspired themes of the previous book with the emotionless minions of soul hungry gods. Instead we get Egyptian themed mustache twirlering mechana-douches.

While I haven't played 40k for years, still love the fluff and imagery. Matt Ward seems determined to put an end to that.

Sometimes I wonder if Matt Ward is deliberately doing this just to troll the 40k fanbase. He feasts on our rage and tears

Sigh... another Matt Ward fanfic. Gone is the Lovecraft inspired themes of the previous book with the emotionless minions of soul hungry gods. Instead we get Egyptian themed mustache twirlering mechana-douches.

Mustache twirly mechana-douches with fluff that doesn't directly contradict itself over 20 times in the book and that isn't dysfunctional at an incredibly basic level. The old necron fluff was awful, easily the worst in the game after the sisters.


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white925 wrote:how did you guys like the podcast?

The statement that the basic marine book was the best balanced and most well written book in the game made me want to throw my computer into the sun. It's a good review otherwise.