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Grey Templar wrote:Fluff?

Well, if Lucius kills Thawn, he just stands back up again.

It usually takes a short while for Thawn to stand back up again.

The only time he nigh-instantly respawned was when Ku'gath ate him.

... And people say the Grey Knights codex doesn't make Daemons look like sissies.

Chaos does have power over Draigo though, just because he carved his name in to Mortrion's heart, burned down a garden and broke a few walls, doesn't mean he isn't affected. The fact that he is cursed to keep returning to the warp is kind of proof that Chaos affects him, but everybody seems to conveniently forget that bit and screams "OMFG He is lyk the ovar 9000x bettar than a primarch lolololz!!!1one" No, Lucius' curse would affect Draigo. He's just a Grey Knight, not a Purifier, chaos can affect him, the only way he's not turning into Lucius if he kills him is to blow his own brains out.

Slannesh is what gives Lucius his new form whenever he kills an opponent. Slannesh, a Chaos God, cannot affect Draigo in any way, at all. He is immune to Slannesh's will, hence Draigo is immune to Lucius's after death effect.

iproxtaco wrote:Slannesh is what gives Lucius his new form whenever he kills an opponent. Slannesh, a Chaos God, cannot affect Draigo in any way, at all. He is immune to Slannesh's will, hence Draigo is immune to Lucius's after death effect.

Where is your evidence?

It all depends if Draigo has any kind of emotion relating to killing Lucius.

Sir Samuel Buca wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Slannesh is what gives Lucius his new form whenever he kills an opponent. Slannesh, a Chaos God, cannot affect Draigo in any way, at all. He is immune to Slannesh's will, hence Draigo is immune to Lucius's after death effect.

Where is your evidence?

Lucius's entry in the Chaos Space Marine Codex and Draigo's entry in the Grey Knights Codex.

iproxtaco wrote:Lucius isn't invulnerable. Slannesh keeps him around because it like seeing the horror in his champion's victims as their minds and bodies are slowly taken by Lucius. Lucius get's killed by falling off a cliff, Slannesh no longer cares.

According to his fluff, Slaanesh keeps Lucius alive because he takes such pleasure from everything, including horrible deaths.

And the people in-universe have no idea about the limits to his gift- there's no precedent, and he's still alive, after all.

iproxtaco wrote:

Sir Samuel Buca wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:Slannesh is what gives Lucius his new form whenever he kills an opponent. Slannesh, a Chaos God, cannot affect Draigo in any way, at all. He is immune to Slannesh's will, hence Draigo is immune to Lucius's after death effect.

Where is your evidence?

Lucius's entry in the Chaos Space Marine Codex and Draigo's entry in the Grey Knights Codex.

Yes, I know that Slaanesh gives Lucius new life, but Draigo isn't immune to Chaos, if e was immune to Chaos would, I think it was Fateweaver, have cursed him to be trapped in the warp for ten millennia? No. And even if he had and Draigo WAS immune to chaos, he'd be able to get out and stay out. Draigo is not immune to the powers of chaos, just resilient against them. I still say Lucius would take over his body.

Draigo is immune to the will of the Chaos Gods, read his entry in the Grey Knights Codex. It's Slannesh's powers that keep Lucius around, these powers have no effect on Draigo, hence Lucius cannot use Draigo as a new host.

You're not answerig me though, if he actually was immune, why is he trapped in the warp? I've got the Codex, it's a huge contradiction of itself.

Sir Samuel Buca wrote:You're not answerig me though, if he actually was immune, why is he trapped in the warp? I've got the Codex, it's a huge contradiction of itself.

Because he's so awesome he can be trapped in the Warp yet also somehow immune to the will of Chaos.

That's how awesome he is bro.

I don't know why all of you are so convinced Draigo would even try to kill Lucius. He'd probably just carve a troll-face onto Lucius' armor and toss him back to Slaanesh.

Regarding Lucius and Draigo, I think Lucius would come out on top if he was killed. What’s hard to understand with Draigo fluff is that there isn’t very much depth to it. Whilst we are aware of his victories, we do not know how he achieved them and if it has been exaggerated in any way. Assuming creative license was taken from both Matt Ward and the character narrating the story, it is most likely been stretched out a bit. Therefore taking exaggeration into account (and the fact that Draigo is resistant, not immune to Chaos), I see any reason why Draigo couldn’t become a face on Lucius’ armour. That being said, if ever paired together, GW would most likely invent a “plot armour” reason for Draigo to come out on top.

As a side note, if Lucius were to be killed by Thawn followed by Thawn killing himself, it would be interesting if neither being resurrected but rather a new being was created as a result to both characters trying to resurrect simultaneously. Either that or such an event would create a singularity that would tear the fabric of reality apart lol.

astrocat wrote:If Draigo killed Lucius...

We'd be rid of Draigo*, and the world would be a better place because of it.




*Unless Draigo bathed beforehand in some (inexplicably more-pure) blood of a Sister of Battle... or does that only work against Khorne?

Well it's Slaanesh, so it might need to be a different fluid.

If Fulgrim is any indication, probably feces.

This thread just took a more disgusting turn and I am ashamed of myself for spearheading it.

Sir Samuel Buca wrote:You're not answerig me though, if he actually was immune, why is he trapped in the warp? I've got the Codex, it's a huge contradiction of itself.

Trapped in the Warp=/= not being immune.


He is immune to the corruption of chaos, they can attempt to beat him up, but they will never dominate his mind or body.

Their attempts to beat him up aren't going so well either.

DRAIGO WOULD JUST PWN LUCIUS! What would happen if a purifier killed Lucius

I'm not sure pictures of that nature of Lucius would sell too well, perhaps Draigo would be better off just hitting him with something sharp?

Void__Dragon wrote:Their attempts to beat him up aren't going so well either.

Maybe they don't want to, they could be having more fun going: "Hey Draigo see that city you just crushed? *city reappears* LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL".

Can lucius corrupt other daemons?

Lucius isn't a daemon. And I'd guess that any daemon that attacked him would just get murederised by Slaanesh.

Drago is totally the Starchild.

Last I recall Grey Knights don't come with an innate gellar field, so they can't really exist within the warp unprotected, no matter how pristine their faith or resilience to Chaos. That probably means he "died" in a physical sense, but continues to exist as a Chaos entity (think of the GEoM's version of a Daemon prince.)

Failing that, he's a potential Avatar vessel for the Emperor and if he returns some Thorian is going to grab him and study him or something.

Lucius's fluff says "Should his slay take even a moments pleasure in his victory, he will become just another face on Lucius's armor." As far as I know, Draigo is incapable of feeling much of anything, let alone pleasure. Lucius would die, Draigo would shrug, burn the body and go find something else to kill. Lucius stays dead, Draigo stays OP and Slaneesh finds a new champion.

Draigo would turn around and accidently kill Lucius with his massive plot armor. He wouldn't know he killed him and thus wouldn't take pleasure in it. And as Slater said, Lucius stays dead, Draigo stays OP, and Slaneesh finds a new champion

TheAngrySquig wrote:Draigo would turn around and accidently kill Lucius with his massive plot armor. He wouldn't know he killed him and thus wouldn't take pleasure in it. And as Slater said, Lucius stays dead, Draigo stays OP, and Slaneesh finds a new champion

Not even that, really. Draigo doesn't do what he does because he enjoys it or some other higher goal, he does it cause that's what he does. Him taking pleasure would require some pride and him taking pride in killing, in his eyes, just another howling fanatic, would be like someone taking pleasure in wrapping a burger at McDonalds(if one does, speak, for him hath I offended).

DakkaDakka wrote:

What if someone killed Lucius and then immediately killed themself, wouldnt that kinda break the cycle?

What would happen if a squig killed Lucius?

Lucy the Chaos Squig?