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PraetorDave wrote:You guys will probably laugh at me for this, but I think the cases look pretty good. For a smallish sized army, they could work great, as you have plenty of infantry capacity, as well as the pick and pluck for big stuff/vehicles. The only thing I don't like is the gak brown color on the 40k one.

I've owned about a dozen GW cases over the past 14 years and haven't had any complaints other than the foam having rows of 9 in a game where almost every squad is a multiple of 5 standard. I stocked up on the single cases back in third edition (had around 8 or so) before they came out with the double sized ones. When I got back into 40k in 5th edition, I traded/sold/bought my way into 4 double sized ones (with two little ones left). They've survived 3-4 separate moves during college/grad school as well as storage in an unheated/unairconditioned northern US facility. The plastic scratches a bit if you don't take care of it but otherwise its pretty sturdy. I've seen alot of complaints about the latches breaking but I've never personally encountered that problem myself (although I do take care to not force them closed). GW constantly gives me things to complain about (price raises, finecast, slow codex rollout, white dwarf, etc..) but the cases have never been one.

Valkyrie wrote:What happened to the lovely previous version that while considerably more expensive, came with a full set of brushes, cloth, brush soap, little Boltgun shell water pot in a wonderful wooden box, and it's been reduced to this.

Yeah I know, they keep finding more ways to cheap out on this stuff, and somehow keep charging us more money for it. Almost like they do it out of spite, lol.

"You think this is bad? Next year it'll only have one brush and cost $5 more!"

@Warboss

I use the K&R foam inserts 50 standard slots for your army. 200 models for standard GW case.

I have +16 cases worth.

Adam LongWalker wrote:@Warboss

I use the K&R foam inserts 50 standard slots for your army. 200 models for standard GW case.

I have +16 cases worth.

Yeah, I've seen a couple companies come out with compatible foam with better slot placement but frankly the cost with shipping is almost comparable to what I paid for the cases themselves back in third edition, making the switch very expensive for a minor inconvienence. I've toyed around with getting some foam from battlefoam during their thanksgiving sale though... that's the closest I've gone so far with the idea.

Delephont wrote:Can't really imagine who would want one of those cases with a big GW symbol on the side, when cheaper, more capacity and less "in your face" cases are available.

My only other comment....."Eavy Metal"? really.....shouldn't it be "Eavy alternative, cheaper, more expensive, material that isn't metal"

I have Sabol bags and foam in stock, all the GW cases, and a huge wall of Battlefoam cases and trays. So customers certainly have choices of what to buy. I sell about 50 of the doublsided, and 75 of the regular GW case, evey year.

Sidstyler wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:What happened to the lovely previous version that while considerably more expensive, came with a full set of brushes, cloth, brush soap, little Boltgun shell water pot in a wonderful wooden box, and it's been reduced to this.

Yeah I know, they keep finding more ways to cheap out on this stuff, and somehow keep charging us more money for it. Almost like they do it out of spite, lol.

"You think this is bad? Next year it'll only have one brush and cost $5 more!"

To be entirely fair:
These aren't regular stock items. They do a limited run, presumably contracting an outside manufacturer whose goods are rebranded, and then release it around the holiday season.

Maybe it would have been infeasible to do the same set, or maybe they picked the two "worst" brushes out of their normal set and went from there.

I am not sure to what degree "handmade" will affect a paintbrush, but creative models Kolinsky Sable brushes range from £2.25 to £3.37. And P3 Mixing medium can be had for £2.66 per dropper bottle.

So you are basically paying ~£5.50 for those and a bargain £25.50 for a Tin and a booklet O_o

You can get those two brushes from probably around $20-$25 USD on dickblick.com. So $25-$30 for a tin and pamplet is a little ridiculous. However, two questions:

A portable tin would be useful, where can I get one?

Anyone know where I can find/download "Neil Green's Wolf Guard"? That's probably the only article I would care to check out in the Masterclass book.

What a useless bunch of overpriced Gak.

I don't see why people are getting so angry about this.
The cases are as good as any (i have kr, battle foam and gw ones and like them all).
The book, well that depends on what you want. I like my painting books. Yes, i can learn what i want elseware, but having it in a book lets me flick through when i don't know how i want to paint something and when i find a style i like i have a how to.
And the paint brushes, i would not buy myself, but if someone were to buy me it as a gift i would be very happy, and i would buy it for someone else.

I worry that there will be a glut of peptic ulcers in 20 years among gamers.

Manchu wrote:How much use have you guys gotten from the existing How To books?

I have three of them and I'd say I've learned about 1% of the little I know about painting from them and 99% from the internet. I doubt I will ever buy another one of those unless I find myself in a money-wasting contest.

I have one of the how to paint Citadel Miniatures (not the current edition the one before) I have found it fairly useful for getting to grips with some techniques that I would have otherwise avoided. I would say that about 30% of the techniques I use I learnt from their, the rest by trial and error.

Kanluwen wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah I know, they keep finding more ways to cheap out on this stuff, and somehow keep charging us more money for it. Almost like they do it out of spite, lol.

"You think this is bad? Next year it'll only have one brush and cost $5 more!"

To be entirely fair:
These aren't regular stock items. They do a limited run, presumably contracting an outside manufacturer whose goods are rebranded, and then release it around the holiday season.

Maybe it would have been infeasible to do the same set, or maybe they picked the two "worst" brushes out of their normal set and went from there.

Dammit Kan, you are off your game pretty bad here. Truthfully, I can't understand where you're going with this. Sid pointed out this was considerably worse then previous years. You said "to be entirely fair", implying Sid was not, in fact, being fair, and then... made no real defense of the product, either. Unless saying they outsourced crap on the cheap and jacked up the price is a defense? Arguing that Sid was being unfair by saying it was getting worse with explaining that perhaps they picked their 2 worst brushes and built a set around it?

Let me show you how it's done. Myself, I don't see this as a mega-rip off depending on which 2 brushes they are. If they're a Series 7 rebadge, and they're - just eyeballing it here - a 4 and a 1 - that's about $35 for the brushes anyway. Add in the $10 for the smallest matte medium you can buy (which granted is 8 ounces, not 2 thimblefuls, but you can't buy it by the thimbleful), and we're up to $45. Add shipping and handling (which GW won't charge, since it's >$30), and we have $50... exactly the same price from Dick Blick as it is from GWS.

That's a proper white-knighting.

Myself, I wouldn't get this since I already have both W&N brushes and matte medium, but this isn't a particularly great, nor particularly bad, deal. To improve I think they probably should have added one more brush (a smaller one) and added $10 to the price.

I have no desire to spend money on a book that basically says, STEP 1- Prime the model black. STEP 2 - paint these base colors. STEP 3 - WIN GOLDEN DEAMON! I have yet to see a Painting article from GW that actually contained enough illustrations or word detail to actually be useful. They always make it sound much easier than it actually is and I have found that in alot of cases this is because they skipped so many steps to save on word count so they can throw more advertising in the WD. No matter how you logic the prices, none of these are actually worth the price.

Kanluwen wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:What happened to the lovely previous version that while considerably more expensive, came with a full set of brushes, cloth, brush soap, little Boltgun shell water pot in a wonderful wooden box, and it's been reduced to this.

Yeah I know, they keep finding more ways to cheap out on this stuff, and somehow keep charging us more money for it. Almost like they do it out of spite, lol.

"You think this is bad? Next year it'll only have one brush and cost $5 more!"

To be entirely fair:
These aren't regular stock items. They do a limited run, presumably contracting an outside manufacturer whose goods are rebranded, and then release it around the holiday season.

Maybe it would have been infeasible to do the same set, or maybe they picked the two "worst" brushes out of their normal set and went from there.

Well to be entirely fair, I guess you have to buy quite a bunch then!
I would shudder to think how GW recoup their loss of sale when only like 0.0001% of GW customers bought these limited run products.

Sidstyler wrote:

spiraleddie wrote:I may be wrong but im pretty sure all those masterclass lessons are available from the GW website, i printed the ork warboss one on the colour copier at work.
the lessons themselves are satisfactory but if i bought the book it would only be for convenience.

According to the description, the Urien Rakarth masterclass is the only one exclusive to the book. I'm debating about whether or not it's worth it, myself...painting advice is always nice, and I could probably use the techniques for painting glass and NMM since I haven't bothered to research either one independently, but still, it's $30.

I'll probably buy it, but that's the only thing that seems to be worth the price among these items.

Oo.... so the masterclass book is confirmed to be compilation of WD articles?

And the transport cases, I think the color is ok, but i always wonder... why dont they color the embossed areas?
it would look less "cheap"

Ouze wrote:

Manchu wrote:How much use have you guys gotten from the existing How To books?

I have three of them and I'd say I've learned about 1% of the little I know about painting from them and 99% from the internet. I doubt I will ever buy another one of those unless I find myself in a money-wasting contest.

I only own one actual how-to book, the terrain one. While I'm not sure if I learned anything from it, per se, seeing the finished terrain does inspire me and give me ideas in a way that just looking at it on a website doesn't. If I'd have to guess why, I'd say it's because it walks you through it from beginning to end and it's at a level I feel like I could actually accomplish. I don't see much of that on Dakka.

I own the terrain book and I have to say that it was very useful, I built a cool Rohan house from the book just because it was cool!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/120704-.html?m=2

Huzzah! I already "own" the masterclass book via my back catalogue of White Dwarfs

Silly GW

As with a lot of how to painting articles I buy them mostly for inspiration. I would love to see some articles or books on conversions. I can understand why they wouldn't get the 'Eavy Metal team to do them as they are there to sell the stock models. But yeah I like the inspiration and for £18 it's not too bad.

The brushes and tin are harder to judge as the quality of brushes is fairly subjective. I have an old Windsor & Newton Cotman watercolour brush that I'm still using after 10 years. My series 7 brushes are ok but they aren't spectacular if the person painting has talent the brush won't be the main factor. It doesn't matter how fancy your brush is if you can't paint and the main techniques that bring out a mini are shading and highlighting and doing that with a series 7 is a waste of a decent brush. They are better than the GW ones for super fine stuff (eyes and teeth) but I still buy GW brushes for inks, over brushing and dry brushing. Having not seen or used the medium I'm open minded about it. However, medium is such a general term in painting that I would prefer a much better description. There are various things I can mix paint with to make it translucent or opaque or thicker and each one is a medium so I'd rather have more information. The liquid green stuff is great so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. The tin is ok if you only have a few brushes but I have about 30 in my jar on my desk so the tin isn't exactly important but whatever. I'm interested in the brushes so I'll see how they go.

I was considering getting one of the cases but having one side being the monster foam is a bit duff. If I really want to get a decent case I'll look into battlefoam.

I purchased two Winsor and Newton brushes for approximately $9 each online. How GW can charge more for their brand (unless of course they're just renamed W&N brushes, which again, are $9 each after some search-fu) boggles my mind.

But then again, it is GW doing business...

Nice to see GW marking up matte medium for ridiculous prices. I bought 32oz of the stuff for like $7.

Rosemary&Co brushes are still better quality at a better price, even with international shipping.

Masterclass is all WD reprints, and 'Eavy Metal paintjobs aren't usually that great to begin with. Now if Rackham did a painting masterclass I'd be interested.

Cases are cases.

Super excited about the case, picking myself up one soon!

I honestly would have preferred grimdark gray to that horrible brown... ugh... Even though I'm not much of a WH player I'd probably get the Warhammercase rather than the 40k one...

But the 'Eavy Metal set is ridiculous.

endtransmission wrote:

-Loki- wrote:As I said in the other thread started by scipio, that Eavy Metal brush set is priced reasonably well for Australian retail, depending entirely on the quality of those brushes.

A pair of Winsor Newtons will easily hit $70au, which leaves $13au for the Eavy metal medium, tin case and booklet.

Depending on the brush quality, I'd say it's one of their least overpriced offerings. This is speaking retail prices. Obviously ordering online skews that. I bought some Winsor Newtons retail the other month and they were in the $25au-$120au range depending on size.

I'm pretty sure they are the W&N Series 7 brushes, simply rebranded.

If so, that pack isn't very overpriced, at least at Australian retail.

How do we find out what rebranded brushes they are?

I like that they've changed the foam in the cases: 10 models wide with a row of extra tall ones for banners.

I like the GW cases because the cases are hard and seem to handle being kicked up the table/bench what have you better than the "bag" ones. Is there another company besides rubbermaid that makes a hard case?

Lorizael wrote:I like that they've changed the foam in the cases: 10 models wide with a row of extra tall ones for banners.

Lol, I wonder if they'd catch on if I bought like 9 of them and just replaced the foam with my 9 across ones...

Lorizael wrote:I like that they've changed the foam in the cases: 10 models wide with a row of extra tall ones for banners.

No they didn't. I just counted in the picture. Its still 9x4.

PraetorDave wrote:

Lorizael wrote:I like that they've changed the foam in the cases: 10 models wide with a row of extra tall ones for banners.

No they didn't. I just counted in the picture. Its still 9x4.

Try re-counting again:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=18800010a

I always like hobby related releases, but I bought Series 7 brushes on eBay for £6 a piece, and I don't like that you can't pick the colour of the dice you want. Just the little things that niggle me. Quite like the paint station though...

Hmmmm, so I can get the good stuff from White dwarf without the inconvenience of actually buying and owning it! Sounds like a good buy to me.

Allot of this looks nice not sure I will buy it though.

I'm also not sure why so many are complaining these are clearly intended as Christmas present type purchases for someone that knows a hobbyist that has almost everything.

An example follows for the hard of thinking......

[customer] what do I get the gamer who has everything?

[Redshirts] try this, it's new he won't have one if these!

[customer] done.