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lowmanjason wrote: But as of now anyway, I live in a free country and if I wanna complain on the internet about a coperate dicision, that is my right.

Yes, except you won't have a "coperate" discussion. You only see your own viewpoint and refuse to yield to anyone else's, even for the sake of discussion. The options in this poll are yes and no, and we're allowed to defend our vote whether it agrees with yours or not.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm honestly surprised at the amount of people who don't want Pariahs to return. If you don't want to use them, then don't use them. Why should those of us who liked them suffer?

I miss shuriken catapults with following fire. Why should those of us who liked that suffer?

Following fire?

Sustained Fire I assume?

Rogue Trader ruleset. Back when Eldar actually had superior technology and weren't just implied to have it.

It was also a ridiculous rule. The point was just because something existed in the past doesn't mean it should exist now.

As a non-necron player, no.

But they were pretty cool fluff wise. Unless they've been replaced by some other 'null' unit which is equally cool

I didnt insult anybody.

You called us ignorant. And you used it in the wrong context.

I voted yes, because I actually did like the Pariahs. They have neat fluff that really ties in the cullexus assassin backstory and their soulless ability is just fun to use. I don't have the models, but I can imagine that using the same style GW would make a great new design. They would also be the only useful psykic defense in the Necron army, which we desperately need.

So they compare now to the lychguard? I think not. Sure, I'd say the model can be used as lychguard but the old Pariahs were shooting units on par with immortals and even had great abilities on the side.

I'm not sore that they're gone, and I got over it as soon as I heard the rumor (because I didn't have models anyway) but I would have preferred them to be still in the new codex.

DarknessEternal wrote:Rogue Trader ruleset. Back when Eldar actually had superior technology and weren't just implied to have it.

It was also a ridiculous rule. The point was just because something existed in the past doesn't mean it should exist now.

I miss that Leman Russ Exterminator that my Space Wolves used to have that I never once used or owned. I DEMAND its return.

And anyway, while it sucks that Pariahs are no longer in the Codex, their models serve as great Necron Lords/Lychguard/Crypteks. At least they're not just useless models that can't represent anything anymore. Lychguard don't fill the exact same niche, but they're close. I'll leave the implications up to you, but if you want to make a Pariah house-rule then go right ahead.

The old rules for pariahs were largely subsumed by the lychguard. The only thing you dont have now is the leadership gubbins, but that was a clunky mechanic which was really only used in combo with the deciever/flayed ones, both of which have had their specialised leadership bomb ability stripped.

You can still use the pariahs now as lychguard, and they will be more durable for a light point increase, but massive utility upgrade via adding court models. You can even write 'pariah' on your army roster and no one will mind.

Hmm, about only around 1/3 here would like to see Pariahs but the very same poll was given over at Warseer here and the results were much closer to half and half. I wonder why such a difference.

lowmanjason wrote:Hmm, about only around 1/3 here would like to see Pariahs but the very same poll was given over at Warseer here and the results were much closer to half and half. I wonder why such a difference.

Because Dakka has a better userbase.

lowmanjason wrote:Hmm, about only around 1/3 here would like to see Pariahs but the very same poll was given over at Warseer here and the results were much closer to half and half. I wonder why such a difference.

Because Warseer wasn't 'asked' twice in quick succession by the same person?

Brother SRM wrote:Because Dakka has a better userbase.

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I went with no. They don't fit the new fluff as they were primarily a C'Tan invention. In the new book the C'Tan were kicked into touch before the point where they would have invented Pariahs.

It is a yes for me.

I liked their fluff, and there are a lot of Black Library books involving Pariahs. Jurgen, Bequin, Sisters of Silence, Culexus... The Necron Pariahs were part of something far bigger.

They are definitely not Lychguard. And not only fluff-wise. It is an anti-psyker unit, highly specialized. Completely different.

Bad models, bad rules -> "fix them". Not "scratch them off".

Does not fit the new fluff: this universe is big enough to include them.

I don´t get the point of saying "no" to an option. You don´t like it, you don´t take it.

And the answer is "yes" with no regard to who is asking it. With all due respect, it looks like people is saying "no" because they have a grudge with the OP. Things should not be "right" or "wrong" depending of who is asking you.

Edit: wow that sounded patronizing. Sorry.

da001 wrote:And the answer is "yes" with no regard to who is asking it. With all due respect, it looks like people is saying "no" because they have a grudge with the OP. Things should not be "right" or "wrong" depending of who is asking you.

Or they don't like the idea of Pariahs coming back as a playable unit... Crazy, I know.

pretre wrote:

da001 wrote:And the answer is "yes" with no regard to who is asking it. With all due respect, it looks like people is saying "no" because they have a grudge with the OP. Things should not be "right" or "wrong" depending of who is asking you.

Or they don't like the idea of Pariahs coming back as a playable unit... Crazy, I know.

No I got it.
A lot of people do not like Zoats too.

I think part of the reason you are catching so much flak for these posts is because you seem to want Pariahs back not because of the models and fluff, but because you think they were good. They were not good, ever. They were not psychic defense. They were not anti-psyker. They were a foot unit with no way to move faster than 6" and a very small radius of effect for their ability. If your opponent had psykers in their army and you were able to shut them down using your Pariahs, your opponent was not very smart and you would have been fine with something better.

Maybe if you were saying 'I love their fluff and models, I wish they would have just made them better instead of removing them' people would be a bit more sympathetic. However, you are going on and on about how 'good' they are as a psychic defense, when really they were just a waste of space in any list.

That is why people keep saying to use them as Lychguard. The fluff and models are subjective, if you like them then nobody here is going to tell you that you are wrong (although they might not agree.) People are trying to tell you that you can use the models, say that they're Pariahs, and play them in your games. The reason most people are having issues with you is, again, that you have this idea that the old Pariahs were a good unit.

I voted no, because in my opinion the models were ugly, and while the fluff was somewhat interesting, it wouldn't at all fit with the direction they are going now.

@lledwey For a weird moment I thought you were talking to me.

To the OP: lledwey is right. Pariahs were awful in the last codex. Nobody used them -> nobody bought them -> Pariahs out.

Personally I voted no primarily because they don't need to be back, and they weren't all that popular before (largely due to rules to be fair), would overshadow Triach's and Lychguard, are perfect counts-as in many cases and frankly seem kind of like a case of wanting the cake and eating it; the new Codex has a whole wealth on new units.
That and the manner the OP asked it, I won't deny.

My main reason is "nobody uses it" -> "fix it", not "take it out"

Possessed, Spawns, Ch Dreads, Pyrovores, Mandrakes, Ogryns... there are a lot of "useless" units out there, and I want them fixed, not scratched off.

Imagine a world without Possessed... oh it hurts...

Bring back Paraihs?

You mean that unit that had one purpose that it served horribly, was overcosted, and was generally accepted as the worst unit?

Sure. I'd also like an entire army or Razorgores.

In all honesty, I loved the fluff for the Pariahs, and if the New Necrons were the same as the old Necrons, I'd say they should be brought back.

But the new Necrons are not the old Necrons, and, like I said, in the new Necron fluff, Pariahs make no sense. Pariahs were also not really very good for reasons others have stated. Hence the no vote. Yeah, great, if psykers got close to them then the psykers would be screwed. Too bad for the Necron player that Pariahs are pretty bloody slow.

I like how the OP (fallaciously) asserts his freedom of speech, and then wishes to deny it to others in this thread. I have to admit, his insistence about this topic made me lean from a more ambivalent "eh, don't really need Pariahs to come back" to a more adamant "Nope, no Pariahs ever" stance.

Besides, if you really, truly, desperately need psychic defense, isn't there some upgrade Tomb Spyders can take?

YES! pariahs, DO WANT.

I really liked their fluff and they could have been really useful if they had more attacks and higher initiative. Why GW -or the codex writer- gave such terrible cc stats to a cc unit I don't know -must be something against 'crons since they also gave them the stupid "phase out" rule. *shrug*- As I see it Pariahs were supposed to be the counter 'crons had for the other factions bad a** cc units so the warriors wouldn't just get rofl stomped in cc as well as being the counter for the other team's psykers -as they had non of there own after all.- Could have been great but ended up as nothing.

so there's my 2¢

Wow... can't see the difference between warseer and dakkadakka... wants to order us around... doesn't understand basic internet etiquette... can't see how in the real world this post basically reads "please, please, tell me what else to you the pariahs for"

All I can say about the OP, is that he is well suited for necrons

Lobukia wrote:Wow... can't see the difference between warseer and dakkadakka... wants to order us around... doesn't understand basic internet etiquette... can't see how in the real world this post basically reads "please, please, tell me what else to you the pariahs for"

All I can say about the OP, is that he is well suited for necrons

Uh, Excuse me? What is this supposed to mean?


Anyway, I don't think we should really bring Pariahs back, but I did post a stateline/rules for my Idea of one in the Post that Ctulu made.

It means he sounds like an overlord to me... dang, I thought that one was a little obvious... sorry, I guess

Lobukia wrote:
All I can say about the OP, is that he is well suited for necrons

LOL! With an Iron FIST!