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Scottywan82 wrote:Wow... Just... wow. Leto II would easily wipe out the Imperium of Man.

Yeah...no. The Emperor would just do to him what He did to Horus.

Tadashi wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Wow... Just... wow. Leto II would easily wipe out the Imperium of Man.

Yeah...no. The Emperor would just do to him what He did to Horus.

Except the Emperor is a corpse on a shiny chair. And who put him in that chair? Yeah, Horus.

I've only read the first book of Dune, and while I noted many similarities (or rather, noted where many inspirations for 40k may have came from), I felt Dune was a much more personal story, and one I enjoyed more. I should really read more into the series.

Also, the Fremen were awesome
Im almost tempted to make Tallarn'esque IG, based on Fremen, with Sandworm Rough Riders (Trygons would probably work?)

I was assuming the Emperor was at full strength. And considering someone's comparison of Leto II with Eldrad, then I have to say a few Librarians and Sorcerers (Tigurius and Ahriman the Unchanging) are as powerful as Farseers, so the Emperor may not necessarily have to be the one to defeat Leto II.

xxmatt85 wrote:Stupid question what is Dune?

Wow, fair question. Check out the original movie. Its old, but you may enjoy it if your of the scifi mind.

Ah the movie. Now I can connect with that. Kinda feel sorry for the Princess. Atreides married her only so he could claim the throne.

Byte wrote:

xxmatt85 wrote:Stupid question what is Dune?

Wow, fair question. Check out the original movie. Its old, but you may enjoy it if your of the scifi mind.

First off, DO NOT watch the movies. They are not Dune any more than watching the Clone Wars TV show is the same as seeing the original Star Wars trilogy.

They are David Lynch's sad, disjointed attempt at taking a masterpiece and putting it on screen, followed by SyFy's well-intentioned remake. But they aren't Dune. Read the books.

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Namica wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Wow... Just... wow. Leto II would easily wipe out the Imperium of Man.

Meh, not really. Leto is essentially Eldrad, but instead of killing things with psychic lightning, he does it by ripping -anything- in half while being damn near impervious to any sort of weapon.

Yeah only he's able to manipulate the entirety of human civilization into no longer needing his almighty guiding hand. It takes 3,000 years of his Golden Path before mankind can even mildly surprise him.

What would it matter if he can't kill anything himself? He has entire planets full of zealots to do it for him. He wouldn't take on the 40K-Emperor in hand to hand combat, he'd simply outmaneuver his forces at every turn and leave him without followers. Leto would despise the Emperor for his inability to make hard choices and pity him for the half-life he inflicted on himself because of his lack of resolve.

Dune is the superior model for countless reasons, but none are better summed up than Leto II's speech on why his Fish Speaker forces are entirely female. The Emperor, by creating an all-male force that is intentionally emotionally stunted at puberty, is asking for the Horus Heresy. Leto II understood that and so his forces are entirely women.

I could keep going, but honestly, Leto would the Emperor.

Omnius and the cymeks made an RNA retrovirus that immediately killed 45% of the human population in existence and would have eventually mopped up the rest of them had spice not been found to reverse its effects. It would seem the 40k universe has no spice. I think people are forgetting there are many different armies at many different times that exist in the dune universe. I would say that the omnius/cymek armies could clean up most of the 40k armies through intelligence that only a machine could have. Necrons dont count.

While the Imperium of Man has Space Marines and some pretty advanced tech, the Dune universe has instant space travel without going through the warp and almost perfect future prediction methods without the risk of demonic influence. It would be a bloody and horrible war, but I don't think it is easy to hand over victory to Warhammer so easily.

Dune fleets could appear and bomb a world into nothing before a Warhammer ship could travel between Earth and Mars.

Lolki wrote:While the Imperium of Man has Space Marines and some pretty advanced tech, the Dune universe has instant space travel without going through the warp and almost perfect future prediction methods without the risk of demonic influence. It would be a bloody and horrible war, but I don't think it is easy to hand over victory to Warhammer so easily.

Dune fleets could appear and bomb a world into nothing before a Warhammer ship could travel between Earth and Mars.

And then several Strike Cruisers enter orbit around Araxis and unleash volley after volley of Cyclonic Torpedos on the planet. Without spice, the Dune guys would be helpless. And Librarians (not to mention the Emperor) can cloud the visions of the Dune witch-priestesses.


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Hox wrote:Omnius and the cymeks made an RNA retrovirus that immediately killed 45% of the human population in existence and would have eventually mopped up the rest of them had spice not been found to reverse its effects. It would seem the 40k universe has no spice. I think people are forgetting there are many different armies at many different times that exist in the dune universe. I would say that the omnius/cymek armies could clean up most of the 40k armies through intelligence that only a machine could have. Necrons dont count.

If the Imperium falls, then pure Chaos would flood the galaxy...even in death the Imperium is victorious, as through death it destroys the Dune people by unleashing the full power of chaos across the galaxy.


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Or the Emperor could simply reach into the Warp and unleash multiple "Storm of the Emperor's Wrath" across the galaxy.


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Not to mention the Dark Gods would see Dune a threat...spice would mean Humans would no longer be dependent on the Warp, so they might join forces again to stop Dune, even commanding the Traitor Legions and the Daemons of Chaos to strike at the Dune forces' rear.

I can only come to the conclusion that that the OP is very young, for him to say that 1. 40K is more realistic that *anything* and 2.) 40k is a superior narrative than Dune. Which is FINE, I mean we were all younger once and we know how perspectives change. I mean back in the day I honestly believed Drizzt and David Eddings were the most amazing fantasy stories ever told.

rabidaskal wrote:I mean we were all younger once and we know how perspectives change. I mean back in the day I honestly believed Drizzt and David Eddings were the most amazing fantasy stories ever told.

You are right. We were all young once,

Tadashi wrote:Read it once, got bored, never tried to follow the story past the first book. On the other hand, 40k...glorious battle...

Tadashi wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Wow... Just... wow. Leto II would easily wipe out the Imperium of Man.

Yeah...no. The Emperor would just do to him what He did to Horus.

Tadashi wrote:Ah the movie. Now I can connect with that. Kinda feel sorry for the Princess. Atreides married her only so he could claim the throne.

Well now I'm starting to feel like either A you can't read, or B this is a troll thread.

Since you're both talking about a character you never read about, and didn't feel sorry for the princess till you watched it, rather than read it.

Know what, before you start trying to make comparisons on a subject, why don't you LEARN ABOUT THE SUBJECT.

I like the Dune series a lot and re-read the whole series every few years.

BUT I'll stand up proudly and say that the 40k lore is -way- better than the aberrations crapped out by Frank's son Brian and his partner in crime.

Really. Orks have greater dramatic range and background than his Moritani mooks, Harkonnen morons and Jedi Bene Gesserit and Ginaz Power Rangers.

In short, Brian Herbert should be tossed in a bag with two panes of glass, which should be pounded with hammers by crack addicts and then shot into the sun.

(I feel a bit strongly about it. I wonder if t shows.)

Ronin wrote:

rabidaskal wrote:I mean we were all younger once and we know how perspectives change. I mean back in the day I honestly believed Drizzt and David Eddings were the most amazing fantasy stories ever told.

You are right. We were all young once,

I read the full series from beginning to end at the age of 11. Age is not an excuse Odd question, has anyone read the belgariad series?

Namica wrote:

Well now I'm starting to feel like either A you can't read, or B this is a troll thread.

Since you're both talking about a character you never read about, and didn't feel sorry for the princess till you watched it, rather than read it.

Know what, before you start trying to make comparisons on a subject, why don't you LEARN ABOUT THE SUBJECT.

It took you this long to think it was a troll thread? Had it pegged by like his 4th or 5th post.


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Hox wrote:

Ronin wrote:

rabidaskal wrote:I mean we were all younger once and we know how perspectives change. I mean back in the day I honestly believed Drizzt and David Eddings were the most amazing fantasy stories ever told.

You are right. We were all young once,

I read the full series from beginning to end at the age of 11. Age is not an excuse Odd question, has anyone read the belgariad series?

Yes, I have read it, not terrible but not that great. Good reading for a rainy weekend.

Yes, I have read it, not terrible but not that great. Good reading for a rainy weekend.

Have you read the mallorean as well? Same characters and a continuation of the story. Thats my favorite series. Probably because I read them as a kid.

It took you this long to think it was a troll thread? Had it pegged by like his 4th or 5th post.

I work with some people like him. People that think war always = good writing. People that think if a man has a gun, he is infinatly better than a man with a inner monologue. So I still don't know if he's trolling, or just stupid.

Meh, didn't like Dune, I prefer 40k a lot more. Just seems a lot more interesting.

Anybody watch the 6 hr miniseries? It wasn't too bad.

Problem with Dune is that is has a casual following and than it's disciples/zealots. Making threads like this painful.

Byte wrote:Problem with Dune is that is has a casual following and than it's disciples/zealots. Making threads like this painful.

...Can't that be said for just about anything?

This whole '40k vs. X trend needs to stop. It's only a bit worse than the 'Join My Army!' phase we went through.

infinite_array wrote:

Byte wrote:Problem with Dune is that is has a casual following and than it's disciples/zealots. Making threads like this painful.

...Can't that be said for just about anything?

This whole '40k vs. X trend needs to stop. It's only a bit worse than the 'Join My Army!' phase we went through.

Yes and agreed.

infinite_array wrote:

Byte wrote:Problem with Dune is that is has a casual following and than it's disciples/zealots. Making threads like this painful.

...Can't that be said for just about anything?

This whole '40k vs. X trend needs to stop. It's only a bit worse than the 'Join My Army!' phase we went through.

Preach on

If it hasn't been pointed out yet, it does bear noting that Dune is one of the sources for the foundation of Warhammer 40,000 as a thing. I mean, sure, much of 40K is "inspired by" or "directly ripped off from" a number of sci-fi settings and sources... but it pays direct homage to Dune in many, many ways, some obvious, some very subtle, but one would be remiss if one did not recognize that 40K owes Frank Herbert a very big debt.

Also, Dune leads to this:



.. which is awesome.

I was just explaining navigators to my girlfriend.

Alright alright I get it! As a series Dune is better. And neither of them are realistic. But I like 40k better because, well, it's more interesting. Which is more interesting, political intrigue in universe where Humans are already dominant, or intrigue and action where Mankind's existence is at stake and the fate of the galaxy is the prize?


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iproxtaco wrote:Meh, didn't like Dune, I prefer 40k a lot more. Just seems a lot more interesting.

Agreed...

Tadashi wrote:Alright alright I get it! As a series Dune is better. And neither of them are realistic. But I like 40k better because, well, it's more interesting. Which is more interesting, political intrigue in universe where Humans are already dominant, or intrigue and action where Mankind's existence is at stake and the fate of the galaxy is the prize?


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iproxtaco wrote:Meh, didn't like Dune, I prefer 40k a lot more. Just seems a lot more interesting.

Agreed...

Humans are not dominant all the way through the series. They are dominated and enslaved by machines for some. Mankinds existence is at stake and they lose billions of lives destroying the machines. There are planets at stake and lives at stake. You must be a troll because there is no intrigue in 40k. "Brother captain roman name fights aliens and they kill eachother" 100 years later "Captain other roman name fights more aliens" etc... Thats a full codex for you.

Mankind, in 40K, is not on the brink of jack-squat. It just sells itself that way. The Imperium isn't going anywhere.

King Pariah wrote:Dune = Shakespearean plays

40k = The torrent of assaulting offending acts that occurred in the arenas of Rome

Both are enjoyable, just one actually has taste and depth whereas the other amounts to little more than pleasurable decadence.

^This.
Nice thread.

When I was younger I really liked Dune (only the first 4 books). It is far better done/written/whatever than, well, almost anything.
Now that I am getting older, however, it no longer stirs my heart. Stuff like "the first heretic" or "dark disciple", among many others, is a far more palatable food.

Also, a lot of stuff from Dune is used in 40k.

Hox wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Alright alright I get it! As a series Dune is better. And neither of them are realistic. But I like 40k better because, well, it's more interesting. Which is more interesting, political intrigue in universe where Humans are already dominant, or intrigue and action where Mankind's existence is at stake and the fate of the galaxy is the prize?


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iproxtaco wrote:Meh, didn't like Dune, I prefer 40k a lot more. Just seems a lot more interesting.

Agreed...

Humans are not dominant all the way through the series. They are dominated and enslaved by machines for some. Mankinds existence is at stake and they lose billions of lives destroying the machines. There are planets at stake and lives at stake. You must be a troll because there is no intrigue in 40k. "Brother captain roman name fights aliens and they kill eachother" 100 years later "Captain other roman name fights more aliens" etc... Thats a full codex for you.

Ever read Inquisition-based stories? I'm pretty sure there's a lot of intrigue there...