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Tadashi wrote:

Hox wrote:

Tadashi wrote:Alright alright I get it! As a series Dune is better. And neither of them are realistic. But I like 40k better because, well, it's more interesting. Which is more interesting, political intrigue in universe where Humans are already dominant, or intrigue and action where Mankind's existence is at stake and the fate of the galaxy is the prize?


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iproxtaco wrote:Meh, didn't like Dune, I prefer 40k a lot more. Just seems a lot more interesting.

Agreed...

Humans are not dominant all the way through the series. They are dominated and enslaved by machines for some. Mankinds existence is at stake and they lose billions of lives destroying the machines. There are planets at stake and lives at stake. You must be a troll because there is no intrigue in 40k. "Brother captain roman name fights aliens and they kill eachother" 100 years later "Captain other roman name fights more aliens" etc... Thats a full codex for you.

Ever read Inquisition-based stories? I'm pretty sure there's a lot of intrigue there...

I have. They make me want to off myself. I read one with the preheresy raptor nightlord guy. One half of the story was his and one was a girl from the inquisition. Her parts were so bad I literally could not read them and skipped to his over and over. There is a general lack of writing talent in the 40k books. To be completely honest your comparing a half assed collection of random stories from a universe that is modified monthly to one of the best pieces of sci-fi writing in existence. It isn't a fair comparison in the slightest.

Perhaps not. But 40k is still more fun and interesting than Dune.

Tadashi wrote:Perhaps not. But 40k is still more fun and interesting than Dune.

Once again dune is one of the most famous sci fi series in existence.

"Since its debut in 1965, Frank Herbert's Dune has sold over 12 million copies worldwide, making it the best-selling science fiction novel of all time ... Frank Herbert's Dune saga is one of the greatest 20th Century contributions to literature."

Theres something fun pulled off its wiki. Now stop comparing it to random books by authors nobodies ever heard of.

Yes, it's a magnificent piece of literature, but 40k still excites greater interest...

Tadashi wrote:Perhaps not. But 40k is still more fun and interesting than Dune.

Tadashi wrote:Yes, it's a magnificent piece of literature, but 40k still excites greater interest...

Which is entirely subjective to your opinion. Different strokes for different folks, and we'll leave it at that, eh?

Tadashi wrote:Yes, it's a magnificent piece of literature, but 40k still excites greater interest...

In you perhaps, although there are people who expect much more from the things they read. Its most likely something to do with age. Some people read books for gore and violence, some read it because they enjoy to read. I am in the navy, to think of death as a wonderful glorious thing requires the mind of a child. Watching something die is not a fun thing to do, whether it is friend of enemy. Maybe if you were exposed to more in your life, violence and repeated plotlines would not be so interesting to you.

OP has only read one Dune book and didn't even pay it any mind.

In other words, his opinion on how these two settings compare means -nothing- because he didn't give one of them a fair try, and has no intention to do so. Like someone said, it's like having an argument about 40K lore, when you've only read a single codex.

I would say that there is no comparison because their just so different. Dune is about the growth and evolution of one man and his son to being the most powerful man in the universe. 40k is great because its always changing and the different authors add different perspectives, although there is some god awful writing out there. So they,re both great in there own way.

And on a completely different note Herberts son should stop writing books they,re getting really chessy.

eviltrout wrote:I would say that there is no comparison because their just so different. Dune is about the growth and evolution of one man and his son to being the most powerful man in the universe. 40k is great because its always changing and the different authors add different perspectives, although there is some god awful writing out there. So they,re both great in there own way.

And on a completely different note Herberts son should stop writing books they,re getting really chessy.

I enjoyed the house books and the three on the thinking machines. Has he written anything else?

Frank Herbert only wrote up to Chapter House.
He died a while back.

Brian (his son) did the prequels and house books.

They aren't a patch on his dad's work.

chromedog wrote:Frank Herbert only wrote up to Chapter House.
He died a while back.

Brian (his son) did the prequels and house books.

They aren't a patch on his dad's work.

I'm aware of that but the most recent brian herbert book I've read was in like 02' or something. The poster above me talked about something recent.

The latest book winds of dune had Paul running away and living with a traveling circus. This is supposedly how he learned to impress and command a crowd.

He's done a few other books that were passible but he,s running out of room between books to cram stuff in

From a 40k military vs. Dune military there is the complete lack of Ranged warfare in the Dune Universe....at least in practical terms....slug weapons, explosions, arrows, even quick strikes with a sword are stopped by the Holtzman Shields....Now lasguns can be used against shields but with catastrophic and mutually assured destruction.

This leads to extremely effective CC in the Dune Universe....Poisons, Para-Bindu training (Extremely quick Martial Arts) knives and garrottes--Soldiers in the Dune Universe are extremely specialized CC masters, from Ginaz swordman to Bene Gesserit witches, to Facedancer assasins

I am not sure when you start using Psy weapons, Lance...Gauss. Most Xeno weapons cannot be compared in any of the Dune books but we could just say Imperium of Man vs Dune Emperor.


Also the development of the Human Mind into areas that are not influenced by the warp. Guild Mathmatics, Tlieaxu Genetics (Face Dancers), Bene-Gesserit body/Mind control all are accomplished without computers and without delving into the warp...and its corresponding dangers.

The lynchpin weakness is that the Spice must flow for any of the Dune powers to work...and there was only 1 location (until the last two Frank Herbert books)....Arrakis...Once that weakness was determined the Imperium forces would just obliterate the planet and take the spice out of the equation.

Campbell1004 wrote:Dune minis would be so freakin' sweet!

I would literally have no money left.


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Dune is like the Godfather. 40k is like Transformers.

Like whichever you want, neither is wrong. For anyone to say one is “better” makes assumptions about what stories should be that the other side probably doesn’t agree with.

Dogface 76 wrote:From a 40k military vs. Dune military there is the complete lack of Ranged warfare in the Dune Universe....at least in practical terms....slug weapons, explosions, arrows, even quick strikes with a sword are stopped by the Holtzman Shields....Now lasguns can be used against shields but with catastrophic and mutually assured destruction.

This leads to extremely effective CC in the Dune Universe....Poisons, Para-Bindu training (Extremely quick Martial Arts) knives and garrottes--Soldiers in the Dune Universe are extremely specialized CC masters, from Ginaz swordman to Bene Gesserit witches, to Facedancer assasins

I am not sure when you start using Psy weapons, Lance...Gauss. Most Xeno weapons cannot be compared in any of the Dune books but we could just say Imperium of Man vs Dune Emperor.


Also the development of the Human Mind into areas that are not influenced by the warp. Guild Mathmatics, Tlieaxu Genetics (Face Dancers), Bene-Gesserit body/Mind control all are accomplished without computers and without delving into the warp...and its corresponding dangers.

The lynchpin weakness is that the Spice must flow for any of the Dune powers to work...and there was only 1 location (until the last two Frank Herbert books)....Arrakis...Once that weakness was determined the Imperium forces would just obliterate the planet and take the spice out of the equation.

There are full armies in dune. In the older books as well as the recent ones. There are also full spin off videogames showing the armies. I wouldnt consider it 100% authentic to dune but if you consider random books by nobody authors as additions to the "40k universe" then these games are additions to be taken into account as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_2000

I used to play this game, it had full armies for I believe House Harkonnen, Atredies and Ordos.

Scottywan82 wrote:First off, DO NOT watch the movies. They are not Dune any more than watching the Clone Wars TV show is the same as seeing the original Star Wars trilogy.

They are David Lynch's sad, disjointed attempt at taking a masterpiece and putting it on screen, followed by SyFy's well-intentioned remake. But they aren't Dune. Read the books.

You can't say that nothing good came of them... Lynch's version gave us this classic:

It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the juice of sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning.
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion.

'nuff said.

-edit- I do think it would be entertaining as hell to have a Creed vs Miles Teg conventional army battle though. TACTICAL GENIUS vs MENTAT BASHAR.

Dogface 76 wrote:From a 40k military vs. Dune military there is the complete lack of Ranged warfare in the Dune Universe....at least in practical terms....slug weapons, explosions, arrows, even quick strikes with a sword are stopped by the Holtzman Shields....Now lasguns can be used against shields but with catastrophic and mutually assured destruction.

This leads to extremely effective CC in the Dune Universe....Poisons, Para-Bindu training (Extremely quick Martial Arts) knives and garrottes--Soldiers in the Dune Universe are extremely specialized CC masters, from Ginaz swordman to Bene Gesserit witches, to Facedancer assasins

I am not sure when you start using Psy weapons, Lance...Gauss. Most Xeno weapons cannot be compared in any of the Dune books but we could just say Imperium of Man vs Dune Emperor.


Also the development of the Human Mind into areas that are not influenced by the warp. Guild Mathmatics, Tlieaxu Genetics (Face Dancers), Bene-Gesserit body/Mind control all are accomplished without computers and without delving into the warp...and its corresponding dangers.

The lynchpin weakness is that the Spice must flow for any of the Dune powers to work...and there was only 1 location (until the last two Frank Herbert books)....Arrakis...Once that weakness was determined the Imperium forces would just obliterate the planet and take the spice out of the equation.

Finally someone noticed. Once Arrakis is gone, the Dune worlds would fall in quick succession.

I read the first Dune and though it was decent; though the Fremen were totally GK level OP.

Namica wrote:In War, of course 40k would win, it's so over the top that generally no other sci-fi setting could win.

I'm pretty sure Banks Culture could take 40k.

Tadashi wrote:

Dogface 76 wrote:From a 40k military vs. Dune military there is the complete lack of Ranged warfare in the Dune Universe....at least in practical terms....slug weapons, explosions, arrows, even quick strikes with a sword are stopped by the Holtzman Shields....Now lasguns can be used against shields but with catastrophic and mutually assured destruction.

This leads to extremely effective CC in the Dune Universe....Poisons, Para-Bindu training (Extremely quick Martial Arts) knives and garrottes--Soldiers in the Dune Universe are extremely specialized CC masters, from Ginaz swordman to Bene Gesserit witches, to Facedancer assasins

I am not sure when you start using Psy weapons, Lance...Gauss. Most Xeno weapons cannot be compared in any of the Dune books but we could just say Imperium of Man vs Dune Emperor.


Also the development of the Human Mind into areas that are not influenced by the warp. Guild Mathmatics, Tlieaxu Genetics (Face Dancers), Bene-Gesserit body/Mind control all are accomplished without computers and without delving into the warp...and its corresponding dangers.

The lynchpin weakness is that the Spice must flow for any of the Dune powers to work...and there was only 1 location (until the last two Frank Herbert books)....Arrakis...Once that weakness was determined the Imperium forces would just obliterate the planet and take the spice out of the equation.

Finally someone noticed. Once Arrakis is gone, the Dune worlds would fall in quick succession.

Not really, once faced with losing it, it was replicated.

You'd know that, if you know, read the books.