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The thing about modren day humans, is that we never fought an actual total war. all of our older wars ended because of fear of destuction, while in 40k everybody fights to the death .

PS sorry for any mispellings.

xxmatt85 wrote:The thing about modren day humans, is that we never fought an actual total war. all of our older wars ended because of fear of destuction, while in 40k everybody fights to the death .

PS sorry for any mispellings.

Actually, that is a pretty good point.
But then again, most of the races have men they can lose.
Even the DE can regenerate people from just body parts.

Indeed, on topic now, at our current state I say about a couple of mouths, that is if counting on resistance groups, an actual military will like fall in give or take about a week.

As the question is exceedingly vague, so too will the answer be;

It depends.

Steelmage99 wrote:As the question is exceedingly vague, so too will the answer be;

It depends.

The main reason I did not make it very specific is actually fairly simple:
Too many specifics would effectively make this more about just a few armies/races, instead of all of them (besides the IoM).

Was really relying more on Dakka for the specifics.

I think in all honesty we may do better than people think. I mean if 5 million orks drop in from orbit, the world is done but in certain situations we may even pull out on top. There is plenty of military tech that people are 100% unaware of.

Against Necrons? Less than a day, assuming the Necrons don't just make this planet suffer from a bad case of no longer existing. Their necrodermis shells would be completely impervious to most conventional weaponry, and our best tanks would be rendered useless by their basic Gauss Flayer, not even taking into account their variety of time/space warping technology.

Against the Eldar? Maybe a week. It would still be a losing battle, by far, the Eldar, while not having tech as potent as that of the Necrons, still vastly outstrip us, have deadly psychic abilities they can easily make use against us, armour that is impervious to small-arms fire, are fast enough to actually dodge gunfire, and above all else, Titans.

Against Dark Eldar? Well, Dark Eldar are very much capable of making planetary populations disappear, though I'm not sure they have done it to one of Earth's population. Not sure.

Against Tau? We can't compete with Tau firepower. A Tau Railgun makes all the ballistic weaponry we own that I know of look like slingshots, but they would also be the most likely faction to attempt to preserve the planet as best they could. I'd give us a month at best for that reason.

Against the Orks? It depends on the size of the Waaagh! partly, but on the other hand, by the time anyone figures out how to permanently make the Orks GTFO, it would be too late. A month at best IMO. Oh, also, Gargants. Actually, Gargants would probably make this much shorter, nevermind, a week at best.

Daemons? Lol... Any Greater Daemon worth the title could handle this. A Greater Daemon's presence alone alters and corrupts the world it inhabits, a full-scale daemonic invasion would warp the very soil irrevocably, no chance at all. At the most generous, a week.

Chaos Marines? This reeks too much of the IoM vs. Earth thread, not touching this one.

We would probably last a day or two against any of the 40k forces. Eldar, DE and Nids would just royally feth over our defenses, and Space Marines would vastly outperform our troops so bad we'd have to pull out tanks just to kill them. We COULD potentially beat the Orks, but that would basically entail bombing the ever-loving Christ out of them and that's not exactly a good thing.

Honestly, we'd probably lose the worst to the Necrons. Armor eating Scarabs? Basic weapons that melt EVERYTHING? Troops that can survive through anything and self repair? Swords that phase through things? Handheld missiles that travel at light-speed? Various weapons of mass destruction, like giant lightning cannons and tesseract labyrinths?
Lolno.

Dark Eldar, A few months or few years because they were actually "toying" with us, eventually will get bored and create a black hole in our core tho

Tyranids, A few weeks, but this is one of the races i 100% guarantee that we would lose

Eldar, Decades, maybe more, hell probably would even become allies

Orks, Several Years! This will be a glorious war! This is the one army that fights "fair"

Necrons, Months, their unstoppable force will easily consume the world

Daemons, We technically already beat em in real life, millions of years ago, so yea

Tau, About 2-3 "Generations", They would become our allies, giving us technology and knowledge while they made us sterile and our population slowly dwindle, after a couple of generations humanity will number in the millions only, living in the ghettos serving as the Gue'Vasa

well the necrodermis may be kind of crappy to shoot through but you can still kill one with TANK SHOCK! *drives bus from Speed over the necron warriors*

Also, even supermarines like GK have been killed in fluff by a bunch of knights and foot soldiers in 14th century wargear. *first GK novel*

Heck, if you can even get an ork buggy made out of wierd junk to kill a land raider if you go fast enough!

I'm pretty sure vs tyranids and necrons we'd lose pretty fast and everyone be dead in a month just cause it'll take a while for them to hunt everyone down.
For the IoM armies, we'd probably just get taken over after the major cities fall and we'd all be speaking low gothic in a few years
For Tau, I'm pretty sure we'd just end up deciding to join up after a few major cities get turned to slag and it'd be several generations before humanity is the minority *see the genetic breeding program from DoW tau campain*
For Eldar, probably about a few months just because there's not that many of them and they can't be everywhere at once
DE - most likely just suffer years and years of raiding/kiddnapping/rape/pillaging as we have no way to really resist and they aren't really in the way of conquering as much as enslaving
Demons - can go either way, we may even be able to triumph if we find enough weakness to sacred w/e's. Although frankly they'd just enslave most the world from what I can gather and a large part of the population either converts to Chaos or end up as sacrifices.
Same for Chaos SM probably.

Like another poster pointed out, humanity have never fougth a total war. Why? Because people on Earth don t like to see cities burn, and populations slaugtherd down to the last woman & child. Now the races of 40k on the other hand have no problem with this, they also have the "sligth" tecnological advantage on us

Samus_aran115 wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:Well, survive? Yeah, definitely more than a week as a species. I think I would give our governments a couple days to realize that they were fethed. Then as a society.... We would fall, I think.

40k doomsday theories are totally different from apocalypse-ish theories. You have to consider that these would be extra terrestrials to us. We would be paralyzed with fear and apprehension to the point of inability

I would try to hide no matter what. Getting killed from any of them would be very painful, more painful then most people would want to realize.
Except for the DE. They are the only ones where I would prefer to die. Not only would one die a painful death, but having their very soul being consumed? That would suck to no end.

Yeah, I can imagine few things as painful as being shot with a bolt or being ripped apart by a gigantic chainsaw. Or being just hacked apart by an 8 foot tall alien in a suit of armor

Well, being tortured to death for days on end by sadists who get off on it? I think that'd be more painful...

I think against many forces of 40k, we could very well win. What do you think would happen if 100 csm landed in siberia? the russians and americans would drop a few nukes, and there would be no more csm. End of story.
And how do orks beat nukes and super-sonic jets packed with the deadliest bobs man have every invended? Also end of story.
Against nids, thats an instant *end of story* for us as soon as they set foot on our planet.
necrons wouldnt bother to set foot on our planet in the first place, Id take them 5 mins to wreck earth from space...

How do orks beat it? By there being 5 million of them, sacking every major city.

Also I highly doubt that the CSM would land in Siberia. They may be crazy, but they are not stupid.

Tyranids: Were Screwed, around a week or two for full military and resistance destruction and further time for the consumption phase
Dark Eldar: Were Screwed, though I only imagine they'd take prisoners and cause terror in less than half a week or just a day
Chaos Marines: Were Screwed, a day or two. Corruption and almost invulnerable armour protects them against most of our weapons
Tau: Were fine? I'm guessing the Tau would just try and make us join their empire, about a month
Orks: Depends on size of Waagh, probably a month
Imperials (All) : Not getting into this discussion
Daemons: Screwed, no chance unless Warp storm lasts seconds
Necrons: Day, they could extinguish our star

In my original post, I stated that the IoM should not be involved

MrMerlin wrote:I think against many forces of 40k, we could very well win. What do you think would happen if 100 csm landed in siberia? the russians and americans would drop a few nukes, and there would be no more csm. End of story.
And how do orks beat nukes and super-sonic jets packed with the deadliest bobs man have every invended? Also end of story.
Against nids, thats an instant *end of story* for us as soon as they set foot on our planet.
necrons wouldnt bother to set foot on our planet in the first place, Id take them 5 mins to wreck earth from space...

Why would the Chaos Marines send 100 guys completely unsupported into the middle of Siberia? When they would probably combat the majority of our ground forces with the Legion of the Damned and only show up themselves to do gak like destroy the Pentagon.

Orks beat nukes and super sonic jets by sending nukes and super sonic jets. Or, you know, Gargants, which are expected to withstand punishment greater than what a nuclear strike can dish out (Deathstrike Missiles, Volcano Cannons, etc.). The main problem with Orks is that, even if we can destroy the first wave, that wouldn't be the end of it.

MrMerlin wrote:I think against many forces of 40k, we could very well win. What do you think would happen if 100 csm landed in siberia? the russians and americans would drop a few nukes, and there would be no more csm. End of story.
And how do orks beat nukes and super-sonic jets packed with the deadliest bobs man have every invended? Also end of story.
Against nids, thats an instant *end of story* for us as soon as they set foot on our planet.
necrons wouldnt bother to set foot on our planet in the first place, Id take them 5 mins to wreck earth from space...

Is this going to turn into a discussion where we would win only if we were given the absolute ideal circumstances? Probably. If only a few Chaos Space Marines landed in a wide open wilderness and the surrounding nations had plenty of warning, and the Chaos Marines had no method of transportation other than walking, we could win, by dropping nukes on them. The situation itself will never arise, and neither Russia or America would use that response to anything other than inevitable defeat.

I think we'd actually defeat the Tau.

CuddlySquig wrote:I think we'd actually defeat the Tau.

Do tell why.

My opinion:

Dark Eldar = if it was a small raid, we may win, but if it was one planetary-scaled swift attack we'd probably be slaughtered.

Tyranids = 1 day to 1 week, they'll swarm us and mutate the planet.

Eldar = Meh, I reckon they'd send some other race first, so yeah 1 day to 1 week.

Orks = 1 day to 1 week, depending on the size of the force. If Ghazkull (I can never spell it) is there then fluff-wise, definitely less than a day

Necrons = If they have tombs already here, within a day. If not, probably a couple of days max.

Daemons = Less than a day.

Tau = Probably a day to a week. We wouldn't cope with their fire power ...unless they made peace with us.

Chaos Space Marines = Less than a day.

I would rather die by the Tau. They seem like the nicest
But the Necrons would probably be the most awesome army to see do it.

forruner_mercy wrote:

CuddlySquig wrote:I think we'd actually defeat the Tau.

Do tell why.

We'd mow down the Kroot like the Zulus at Rorkes Drift, airstrike their ground elements and it wouldn't be long before we'd figured out how important killing ethereals is. The Tau have a hard enough time when fighting unreasonable humans who run up to them and hit them with chainsaw swords, so how would they fare against a force of humans who use really logical military tactics? Plus they don't have any gimmicks like the tyranids, the Tau are a conventional army.

I dunno. The Tau have pretty good air support.

CuddlySquig wrote:We'd mow down the Kroot like the Zulus at Rorkes Drift, airstrike their ground elements and it wouldn't be long before we'd figured out how important killing ethereals is. The Tau have a hard enough time when fighting unreasonable humans who run up to them and hit them with chainsaw swords, so how would they fare against a force of humans who use really logical military tactics? Plus they don't have any gimmicks like the tyranids, the Tau are a conventional army.

And how do we get past the overwhelming technology advantage the Tau have? Or the numbers advantage, for that matter.

Void__Dragon wrote:

CuddlySquig wrote:We'd mow down the Kroot like the Zulus at Rorkes Drift, airstrike their ground elements and it wouldn't be long before we'd figured out how important killing ethereals is. The Tau have a hard enough time when fighting unreasonable humans who run up to them and hit them with chainsaw swords, so how would they fare against a force of humans who use really logical military tactics? Plus they don't have any gimmicks like the tyranids, the Tau are a conventional army.

And how do we get past the overwhelming technology advantage the Tau have? Or the numbers advantage, for that matter.

Yeah. They have guns that can make mincemeat of our tanks.

Void__Dragon wrote:
And how do we get past the overwhelming technology advantage the Tau have? Or the numbers advantage, for that matter.

Well my idea was that the Tau'd truck an invasion force over to Earth and we'd have a prizefight there.
I think in terms of technological advantages, the Tau are a few steps behind us in the areas where it would count if they were to attack Earth. The winner of the modern war isn't a rifle that shoots lasers or a fancy battlesuit. That might work against the Imperial Guard, but it's piss-all when you're just an smudge in the other guy's guncam.
No matter how you spin it, the miracles of Tau science couldn't prevent that Vostroyan on the cover of Cities of Death from driving his sword through that Fire Warrior's chest.

Well, unless almost everyone in 40k we actualy know that close combat is not the best way to engage your enemy. We also know how to produce aircraft and tanks and artillery that are actually efficient instead of just cool looking. Our disadvantage is the lack of the more exotic 40k technologies like laserweapons ( don't need any tbh, a tankround can do the same ), voidshields and spacecraft.

THe 40K vehicles are not efficient (fluff wise)?

forruner_mercy wrote:THe 40K vehicles are not efficient (fluff wise)?

They are slow, huge and oddly armed and armoured ( rivets? realy? ) when it comes to tanks. They rely on outfashioned dogfights when it comes to aircraft.
Longranged missiles ( cruisemissiles and the like ) are only rarely used.
40k warfare, with the possible exception of the Tau ( although their tank and aircraft designs are equaly questionable ), is either WW2 warfare or relies solely on the rule of cool. Sadly the rule of cool does not win wars.

It appears as if tanks are use in massive blitzkrieg and or upclose, while modren tank battle (correct me if I'm wrong) are mostly fought at mostly a distance.