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I feel it is now appropriate to post the Ballad of Doomrider.

"Out of the mists of chaos he rides, bike in his crotch and sword at his side!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Rider!
Doom Rider.
Na na, na na.
He fights his own war, takes his own track, If he doesn't bail he might make his points back!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Rider!
Doom Rider.
Na na, na na.
Son of Slaanesh, full of desire, He does cocaine and his head's on fire!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Rider!
Doom rider.
Na na, na na.
Fights with fury of a dozen men, Spends two turns on the field then he's gone again...
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Rider!
Doom Rider.
Na na, na na.
His bike squeals as it ploughs on through the nearest guard, His skull is flaming as his daemon sword gets hard!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Rider!
Doom Rider.
Na na, na na.
He's a killer and he's bursting out for fun! Screaming off, now he's gone, someone rolled a one!"

I've never seen it before, but I assume it's meant to be read while either listening to or imagining to listen to power/speed metal or something along those lines.

My guess is people see the pink and they equate it with femininity which is in turn equated with weakness or something similar. I think many younger gamers are more comfortable with super manly men tearing people apart than someone who wears pink and has even the slightest touch of androgyny or femininity.

But I like the hate; it just makes it all the more sweet when my army of pink and turquoise musicians destroy my opponents.

asimo77 wrote:But I like the hate; it just makes it all the more sweet when my army of pink and turquoise musicians destroy my opponents.

Feeeeeed on it!

I dunno, they seem a bit disjointed in terms of fluff-to-tabletop.
The EC in the fluff are all about striving for perfection these days. The noise marines are a quirky bit of old fluff that doesn't really fit in any more. I'd like them better if they had rules for their apparent perfection (Increased WS, BS, I would make sense) and then rules representing their hubris (not sure how you'd do this, but I'm sure you could. In the novels they never seem like the most cohesive or "brotherly" of marines, so perhaps you could do something with that.)

I also doesn't make sense to me that they are the marines of excess, yet they're either into loud noises or being really good at fighting. Seems like it's a bit of a weak part of the whole thing, to me. And then there's the fact that it seems seperated from the demons of slaanesh/cultists of slaanesh being pleasure obsessed seducers of everything with a pulse.

So my problem with them is that the game rules don't match up with the background and the background that they actually have doesn't make a lot of sense to me. All of that said, I don't hate them. I just find them the least compelling of any chaos faction.

I like the Emp's Children's background, especially regarding the drugs and perfectionism.

asimo77 wrote:
But I like the hate; it just makes it all the more sweet when my army of pink and turquoise musicians destroy my opponents.

Haha love it

Isengard wrote:Let's use renegade guard as cannon fodder not daemonettes.

:: growls angrily :: Who's using daemonettes as cannon fodder!?

Was it those silly gamers again!? Give me their names, I'll sic the Sisters of the Flame AND the Hellfire Marines on them! And then they'll bring the survivors back to the black-walled castle, to be... re-educated. And the non-survivors will be reanimated and also re-educated! AND THEY'LL NEVER USE THE DAEMONETTES LIKE THAT AGAIN!!!!!

:: huffs and curls up in my cage, snuggling a Slaanesh plushie* ::

*note: Slaanesh plushies are entirely fictitious, at least to my knowledge.

Fun story, my first game as a mono-Slaanesh army - with tons and tons of proxies, including using Meganobz as Fiends, all sorts of bikes and jetbikes as Seekers, a Trukk as a Herald on a Chariot, a Deff Dread as a Greater Daemon, and Boyz as Daemonettes - I ended up tabling my vanilla Space Marine opponent, while also claiming 2-3 objectives. I've since gotten a few more boxes of Daemons, which have yet to be built as my interests fell elsewhere for a while.

The reason was mainly that my opponent was expecting to win in melee, and had never fought daemons before. Similar to why I tabled my opponent in my first game using the WD Sisters of Battle dex.

As for why people dislike Slaanesh and their followers and minions, well... Myself, for a while, it was because of what they'd do to the population of a city, planet, or whatever, after they took out the defenders. It makes them good bad guys of course, and they took the role of NPC antagonists in a few roleplays I did. Eventually I started playing them when I felt an urge to have opposing factions do battle instead of two allied factions fighting a war game.

Oh, and also, boobs.

One reason from a gaming point of view is that Noise Marines are over priced. They are shooty but at kind of a steep price points wise.

I've always been Chaos Undivided when it came to my armies but i revently afded some noise marines to my army and they've been fun and good at annoying people lol

what should be noted is Slaanesh isnt just the god of sex. Hes the god of excess meaning anything in over the top proportions and more. I remember one bloke converted his slaaneshi chosen to be overweight and carrying bits of guard to eat to represent gluttony lol

also what were the rules for doomrider i always wanted to add him to my army but they got rid of him before i could :-(

Personally I don't like the Emperors Children because they all seem like a group of insane sadists. Instead of warriors who strive for perfection in combat or perfection of themselves, they are mostly depicted as out of their mind junkies on ten different drugs (and not the lsd or weed kind of drugs, I mean basically steroids) who torture themselves and others for fun. I mean I get the whole hedonistic aspect of Slaanesh but honestly having boobs everywhere is not the only expression of sexuality and steroids and sound cannons are not the only things which speak to the senses.

I think if the EC were all well mannered, megalomanics who strive for perfection and pursue the hedonistic aspects of life through, lets say, music, art (including sexuality under the aspect of art) or things like that, then I could take a liking to them. But since that would probably piss of 99% of their fan base, that's not going to happen^^

Coolyo294 wrote:
Son of Slaanesh, full of desire, He does cocaine and his head's on fire!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Rider!

That made me laugh so hard xDDD Would you mind if I quoted that in my signature?

Coolyo294 wrote:I feel it is now appropriate to post the Ballad of Doomrider.

"Out of the mists of chaos he rides, bike in his crotch and sword at his side!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Rider!
Doom Rider.
Na na, na na.
He fights his own war, takes his own track, If he doesn't bail he might make his points back!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Rider!
Doom Rider.
Na na, na na.
Son of Slaanesh, full of desire, He does cocaine and his head's on fire!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Rider!
Doom rider.
Na na, na na.
Fights with fury of a dozen men, Spends two turns on the field then he's gone again...
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Rider!
Doom Rider.
Na na, na na.
His bike squeals as it ploughs on through the nearest guard, His skull is flaming as his daemon sword gets hard!
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOM Rider!
Doom Rider.
Na na, na na.
He's a killer and he's bursting out for fun! Screaming off, now he's gone, someone rolled a one!"

I'm guessing Iced Earth's Storm Rider song is meant to be played here?

I think I'd attribute it to the decline in popularity of glam metal since 1990. Possibly when Motley Crue and Def Leppard were considered the cutting edge of rock n' roll, this indeed looked cool, edgy and dangerous, but no longer.

Given the choice, I'd be glad to see the studio rewrite the Emperor's children entirely along the lines of Fabius Bile's gene-forged, stimulant-filled crazed killers. But for some reason they seem still to want guitars of death instead...

Holy crap, that model exist?!

That's awesome! I want blastmasters to look like guitars again

That's the original (c1990) Noise Marine. For all its faults, it is actually slightly less lame than the present-day ones.

To be honest? It's because if I ever did a full on hedonistic, twisted and utterly warped Slaanesh army properly (in a manner to the way they end up at the end of Fulgrim) then I'd never be allowed to use it. Ever.

In case it traumatised someone.

DarkStarSabre wrote:To be honest? It's because if I ever did a full on hedonistic, twisted and utterly warped Slaanesh army properly (in a manner to the way they end up at the end of Fulgrim) then I'd never be allowed to use it. Ever.

In case it traumatised someone.

Honestly? You might be surprised. A friend of mine has a Slaaneshi army with EXTENSIVE conversions and sculpting. His tanks are covered in male and female genitals, often bleeding. One of his defilers is one of the most grotesque things I've ever seen. Think of the battle cannon protruding through bloody female genitalia surrounded by giant eyes. And, to top it all off, the army is covered in and wading through greenish-brown feces. Seriously. The dude is warped.

But, he's never been asked to leave a store or anything like that. He's even used them at tournaments at GW stores. It's been fine.

Personally, I have always liked the concept of Slaanesh marines. And I like the pink / purple / black color scheme. I think it's striking and unusual.

For an idea of what it's like to be a Slaanesh worshiper, try reading Marquis de Sade's 120 Days of Sodom (warning - I do NOT recommend this book for young or sensitive readers).

I think they are great, used to have a force of them myself back in 3rd.

asimo77 wrote:
But I like the hate; it just makes it all the more sweet when my army of pink and turquoise musicians destroy my opponents.

I know id personally be frightened shless if a 7foot 1ton pink dude was running at me with a weapon of any sorts.


edit: had to edit out a swear that was not caught by the filter

Whatever you think of these guys there is a lovely set of them on display at Warhammer World right now, with some stunning freehand Slaaneshi runes on the vehicles.

For my part I love the fluff and appearance of the EC and Slanesh Daemons.

But I think they're disliked for two main reasons:

1 - Appearance: Pink is a color that is aligned with femininity, softness, love - attributes that are not male-like or so we tell ourselves.

The fact is, many (not all, but many) people who play 40K are younger male or males (of any age) who could be qualified as Geeks or Nerds - and with the geeks or nerds aspect, often comes being rejected by the more popular social group and a rather unhealthy dose of self-doubt and poor self-esteem. So the idea of playing PINK marines is terrifying for them... what if it makes people think they're gay? Hell! They should openly claim they hate the pink sex marine just to be sure there's no doubt about their manliness!

Compound this with the whole 'Sex is bad!' and 'Sex is icky!' social value of western civilization, and you get a rather potent cocktail (haha!) of stuff people simply don't want to see in their hobby. GW doesn't say much in its fluff, but a lot of stuff is implied. I mean, what do you think a EC Warband does during those month long warp jump? A bunch of big, burly, sweaty guy who are into the god of pleasure, sex and excess... yeah. Not to mention what they do with their 'prisoners'.... what, you think they only limit themselves to medieval type torture? Rule 34 was written for stuff like that.

If you followed wrestling in the 90s-earl 2000s, you'll be familiar with a wrestler called Goldust... who essentially played up the 'Homosexuals creep out the 18-35 white male core demographic' to great effect and was one of the most hated wrestling villain of his time. Well, the EC are essentially the Goldust of GW.

So yeah, people dislike Slaneesh and EC because they have silly and immature hang up about sex and may well be afraid of being judged for their army choice. Mind you, I'm immature too, because the fact that tiny little plastic men painted pink can make other people uncomfortable amuses the hell out of me and I've often been tempted to start a Slaanesh themed army just to have fun with people's reaction to it

Keep in mind that I'm not lumping everybody who dislike Slanesh and EC together here - only wear the hat if it fits - but I'm convinced that a significant amount of Slanesh 'hater' fall into this category.

2 - Game Rules: This was briefly touched upon by another poster... but ultimately, Slanesh is actually kinda weak when it comes to the game system.

In Fantasy, all he does is grant immunity to psychology... he's the cheapest mark by far, because well, it's very small boon compared to what the other Gods gives.

In CSM, the Noise Marines are some of the worse troop choice in the book. Expansive for a bonus that barely matters and carrying guns that don't synergize well with each other. Lash of Submission IS strong... but having 1 slanesh daemon prince (one usually painted up as a khorne/nurgle daemon too!) in your army doesn't make a slaneesh army.

As for Chaos Daemon... the Daemonette are the most fragile troop in the codex, with a T3 and 5+ inv save, they are even more vulnerable to the typical daemon weakness (i.e. you deep strike, so you will be getting shot before you get to charge) than the other troop. Bolter fire is extremely effective against them. They have low Str as well, meaning that while they will get some rending out there, they usually will get very few wound out... it's hard to justify taking them over Bloodletters. Seeker don't fare much better either... granted, the Keeper of Secret is a beast and so are those weird elite choice of theirs... but again, without a good core troop, it's hard to do an effective Slaneesh army.

And this is mainly why I didn't start pink marine yet... I don't feel like spending so much money and time on an army that, when all is said and done, will be a weak army...

daBIGboss wrote:With a rich fluffy background, tough primarch and tough tabletop units, I don't get why nobody likes them?!

Pink Marines...they look like a bunch of floozy nancies.

asimo77 wrote:My guess is people see the pink and they equate it with femininity which is in turn equated with weakness or something similar. I think many younger gamers are more comfortable with super manly men tearing people apart than someone who wears pink and has even the slightest touch of androgyny or femininity.

But I like the hate; it just makes it all the more sweet when my army of pink and turquoise musicians destroy my opponents.

I'm well aware that in aeons past, MEN wore pink as a symbol of their virility and manhood (and conversely girls wore blue).

I just don't like pink. Not out of a homophobic issue. I just don't like the colour. Like orange, yellow or lime green.
I also don't look good in any of them (they don't work with my complexion).

Black, white, blues, darker shades of greens, burgundies, purples, reds are all fine. Pastels? Not them, either.

Isengard wrote:I think the problem being identified here is that GW have made it largely impossible to run a single chaos god army and pretty much forced anyone who wants a competitive list to 'mix'n'match' to get a decent force.

For me I want to see the next chaos releases offer much more variety so that each god is playable alone.

As an older player who 'grew up' with the idea that the chaos gods did not get on the idea of mixed armies is just silly, especially since in my conception Khorne hates Slaanesh and Nurgle hates Tzeentch. I could not in all conscience have a mixed Khorne-Slaanesh army since it seems basically wrong to me. However, when GW produced the last CSM codex they made this approach impossible. It just needs more options and variety to allow each god to be played alone if desired.

They also need to bring back proper demons with CSM.

That's another thing I am uncomfortable with from the olden days if you like. For me demons should be ferocious opponents. A lesser demon should be a terrifying opponent, not a 50/50 match for an IG trooper. A greater demon should be literally amongst the toughest things going. Demons should be rare vistiors and deadly, not swarming all over and chaff for the slaughter. Let's use renegade guard as cannon fodder not daemonettes.

Personally I find those mixed god demon armies really ludicrous. What has become of the chaos gods? Are they incredibly evil, selfish entities each determined to follow its own path and dominate all existence, crushing its fellow gods for their different views - or, some kind of minor bad-guys cooperative, sharing their resources and aiming for some kind of democracy? Chaos's evil has been toned down and down until their demons are weedy and their armies are dull mixes for powergamers.

This.

I'm rather new but I'm attempting to put together a CSM list and from what I've crafted from the codex theres no way to run a single god and be competitive. The other problem is since I am running troops from multiple gods that means I fall under chaos undivided, which I'm finding the history/colors etc of most of the warbands is rather lacking. Sure theres some cool things in a few of them, but overall the only ones that seem to fit my army are:
Origin: unknown, History: unknown, Allegiance: unknown, Color Scheme: All black. Or all red. (possibly a slight exageration but you get the jist.)


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chromedog wrote:

asimo77 wrote:My guess is people see the pink and they equate it with femininity which is in turn equated with weakness or something similar. I think many younger gamers are more comfortable with super manly men tearing people apart than someone who wears pink and has even the slightest touch of androgyny or femininity.

But I like the hate; it just makes it all the more sweet when my army of pink and turquoise musicians destroy my opponents.

I'm well aware that in aeons past, MEN wore pink as a symbol of their virility and manhood (and conversely girls wore blue).

I just don't like pink. Not out of a homophobic issue. I just don't like the colour. Like orange, yellow or lime green.
I also don't look good in any of them (they don't work with my complexion).

Black, white, blues, darker shades of greens, burgundies, purples, reds are all fine. Pastels? Not them, either.

navel rings (belly button rings) also were entirely masculine originally.

But anyways it has to do with psychological conditioning. The brain responds to different color stimuli differently. Weight lifters were shown the color pink and similar shades of red and were not able to lift as much as when shown greens and blues. This is why your public transportation (bus) probably has red or pink interior lighting.

I like pink, I would never wear it cept maybe in my hair.

Thought about making a pink army but apparently theres a number of hello kitty! armies already so the originality was ruined.

lunarman wrote:


I think they could do with bit a lot more badass. Less bondage and boobs and more, "yeah our whole legion strives for perfection, so we're all deadshots, lightning fast and deadly in combat".

Quoted from warhammer40kwiki.com
"Maraviglia and which she performed for Fulgrim and all the assembled Astartes of the Emperor's Children and their support personnel within the Remebrancers' lounge called La Venice aboard the Pride of the Emperor. To recreate the sounds she had heard, Kynska created new musical instruments whose sonic powers could also be used for destruction when employed by an individual already corrupted by Slaanesh. As the Maraviglia began, the cachophony of sound unleashed by these instruments acted as a ritual that opened a link between realspace and the Warp and allowed the power of Slaanesh to directly touch the audience. During the "performance" it was noted that the musical instruments were able to produce effects variously disorienting, stimulating and downright murderous.

Chaotic mutations ran rampant through the audience and Astartes and humans alike were so overwhelmed by sensation and uncontrollable emotions that they unleashed an orgy of both sensual hedonism and the most base form of murder upon one another. Ultimately, the music summoned five Lesser Daemons of Slaanesh known as Daemonettes from the Warp who possessed the bodies of Kynska and several of her singers and joined in the slaughter. During this part of the concert, several Emperor's Children Astartes left their seats and took up the isntruments to try and keep the Chaotic music playing and in the course of their untrained fumblings with the instruments discovered that they could unleash waves of destructive sonic power filled with the strength of Chaos."



Noise marines are pretty bad ass

I loveeee the Slaanesh marines and army. Loved the now old Daemonette models. Do not like the new ones, they are ugly ugly!!!!

Im working on a Daemonette commissar, got a whole back story worked out for a new army and after all gotta have a dominatrix daemon as leader now ill be basing my models on the type of design for the tainted coil from the brutal legend game, they look everypart Slaanesh lol

But seriously i think the noise marines and Slaanesh generally represent Sin the best, self indulgence in all things, its most connected to the devil, hell and so on. But the chaos gods basically make up parts of what we know as the devil and hell and evil n all that. I suppose its just a matter or opinion which part of hell you want to field on the table tops of your local gaming shop lol