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It would be a trajedy if you guys got four more years of Obama simply because they cant find an alternative out of an eligible electorate of about 150 million people.

Orlanth wrote:It would be a trajedy if you guys got four more years of Obama simply because they cant find an alternative out of an eligible electorate of about 150 million people.

Also true. Just because no one's stepped into the race doesn't mean we should give up and resign to voting for obama, haha.

It's a trainer, probably from or related to the EST 2000. If it is it's a full weight weapon. She still looks scared of it, pansy. Before anyone dredges up another one I'm just going to troll it too; I hate Palin.


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Saw a tabloid cover this week that said Bill was begging Hilary to oppose Obama, I bet she could win too especially with Bill as a VP. Politically speaking they are a strong pair, and Bill's already been dragged through the mud.

AustonT wrote:Yeah no one from the NRA would vote for a woman holding a Crossman, GET A REAL GUN B*+€#

You know that's a photoshopped picture, right?

I don't think Palin doomed McCain very much. After all, Obama got away with Biden, a man legendary for his failures and gaffes.

Yeah I had made that wild guess.

biccat wrote:

AustonT wrote:Yeah no one from the NRA would vote for a woman holding a Crossman, GET A REAL GUN B*+€#

You know that's a photoshopped picture, right?

I don't think Palin doomed McCain very much. After all, Obama got away with Biden, a man legendary for his failures and gaffes.

Oh clearly a Half-term Gov. is much better than a Sen with yrs. of service.
Sure, he walks all over it. but he's a politician. Capable of leadership. Not
just an empty head waiting to be told what to say/think/do next. You betcha!

Edit:
I should have said 'legislator' instead of 'politician'.

AustonT wrote: Before anyone dredges up another one I'm just going to troll it too; I hate Palin.

There are very few politicians that I hate, but she is one of them.

Though I would enjoy the antics of a Palin/Bachmann ticket.

AustonT wrote:
Saw a tabloid cover this week that said Bill was begging Hilary to oppose Obama, I bet she could win too especially with Bill as a VP. Politically speaking they are a strong pair, and Bill's already been dragged through the mud.

Bill also makes up for her wooden shortcomings.

Dogma... I feel like that last sentence has a double meaning.

I wish someone on dakka would run for president.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I wish someone on dakka would run for president.

Avote for Frazzled is a vote...FOR FREEDOM!

I'm running in 2036. For President and Hegemon of North America.

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biccat wrote:I don't think Palin doomed McCain very much. After all, Obama got away with Biden, a man legendary for his failures and gaffes.

There was a decline in McCain approval following his selection Palin, followed by a decline after her first three major interviews.

She was also gaffe prone, and adopted a style of political discourse that is easily mocked for being gaffe prone. You can't be an everyman and make mistakes if you want to be an exceptional everyman.

I still don't quite grasp the denial of how Palin dashed McCain's chances, even in the face of all the evidence, both practical and anecdotal.

If we're going to have a Dakka Ticket, I'm voting Mattyrm.
Takes no gak, yet willing to see the value in both sides working together!

See, i can support the right. just not crazy, extreme and are they still human
Right.

Ursarkar E. Creed 2012

Tactical Genius We Can Trust.


But honestly, not liking any of my options this election...again.

Wardragoon wrote:Not Obama....after that I could probably care less who gets elected (unless they are more Govt. Control/giving money we don't have to those who don't deserve it)

So you're supporting neither party?

Democrats want more government control over business so that they can push for equality of opportunity, and will give a lot of money (in various forms) to individuals who many argue don't deserve it in order to cater to those voting blocks, and they're definitely for expanding government in agenearl.

Republicans want more government control so that they can push their worldview on others, and will give a lot of money (in various forms) to big businesses who definitely don't deserve it because they're strong corporate donors, and they're all for huge expansion of government as long as the expansion has to do with the military.


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Orlanth wrote:It would be a trajedy if you guys got four more years of Obama simply because they cant find an alternative out of an eligible electorate of about 150 million people.

That's the thing.

The overwhelming majority of people cannot successfully run. And the ones that do have to contend with the extremists in their party, on both sides, to get nominated.

Hopefully Obama, the Republican candidates are all flying rodent gak and the extreme right has a disproportionate control over the party as a whole.

I'd not be averse to Huntsman, he seems educated and savvy, but that rules out his chances of being put forward as the candidate. He believes in evolution, so his chances are extremely slim...

I think presidents have always catered to the extremists, to a degree. Take Andrew Jackson for example. Totally insane, and he really drove the whole 'manifest destiny' thing home to the people. I'm willing to bet there were plenty of people who could've cared less about exploring and colonizing the west at the time.

History proves that if your insane, you'll be written down in a book and remembered for a long time

Doesn't mean it's right, of course. But it's just something I've noticed.

Mitt Romney is the clear candidate, the only problem is Obama's greater charisma, we've had Obama for 4 years, very little, if anything, has improved.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:He believes in evolution, so his chances are extremely slim...

What a sad country we live in

dogma wrote:

biccat wrote:I don't think Palin doomed McCain very much. After all, Obama got away with Biden, a man legendary for his failures and gaffes.

There was a decline in McCain approval following his selection Palin, followed by a decline after her first three major interviews.

She was also gaffe prone, and adopted a style of political discourse that is easily mocked for being gaffe prone. You can't be an everyman and make mistakes if you want to be an exceptional everyman.

Also, Biden kept his mouth shut until after he was elected, then America simultaneously face-palmed

Squidmanlolz wrote:Mitt Romney is the clear candidate, the only problem is Obama's greater charisma, we've had Obama for 4 years, very little, if anything, has improved.

Not quite.

A lot of the things Obama's done have been low key.

For example, the federal government (by executive order) now pays benefits to an employee who is in a homosexual relationship instead of only heterosexual ones.

There's also been more job creation than the entire bush administration.

And of course, there's recovery.gov, making this administration the most transparent of any in America's history...

Squidmanlolz wrote:Mitt Romney is the clear candidate, the only problem is Obama's greater charisma, we've had Obama for 4 years, very little, if anything, has improved.

That's an opinion that the conservative agenda is forcing down everyone's throats. Don't believe it. There's plenty Obama's done, the right just wants to portray him as a worthless piece of garbage who hasn't done anything good.

http://obamaachievements.org/list

Just a quick glance through, and I've found several positive things. Sure, there are some negatives, but overall, he's turned about better then ol' Bushie, in my opinion.

Melissia, your link is way better. Also, you type too fast.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I think presidents have always catered to the extremists, to a degree. Take Andrew Jackson for example. Totally insane, and he really drove the whole 'manifest destiny' thing home to the people. I'm willing to bet there were plenty of people who could've cared less about exploring and colonizing the west at the time.

History proves that if your insane, you'll be written down in a book and remembered for a long time

Doesn't mean it's right, of course. But it's just something I've noticed.

Andrew Jackson lived back when Nationalism was enough to force wars, I mean we were fighting people just for the hell of it pretty much up until WWI and nobody had a major problem with it. The Texas revolution was a war started by civilians, then the US government caught on, the civilians had enough national pride to just start a war because they could. I don't remember hearing of any modern government backing up it's radical residents and invading another country.

Here's a big one that Obama pushed for that will effect many people in the US:

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/33/establish-a-credit-card-bill-of-rights/

The idea that Obama hasn't accomplished anything is false. He's accomplished quite a few things, it's just that the media's mostly given attention to the big projects which invariably are also the ones (because of said media attention) that the Republicans oppose the strongest (even if Obama was trying to implement a Republican idea).

Squidmanlolz wrote:
Also, Biden kept his mouth shut until after he was elected, then America simultaneously face-palmed

When it really counts (elections, key issue debates, etc.) Biden can hold it together and when he doesn't, he mistakes tend to be fairly standard gaffe territory (mispronunciations, incorrect names, etc.).

Palin, on the other hand, would make critical, and almost comical errors. For example, her infamous line about being able to see Russia would have been a perfect dose of levity into a clearly charged interview, had it been delivered as a joke.

I'm not fond of the idea that she's stupid, because I don't think she really is. She is, in my opinion, an average person who is much of what she claims to be. The problem was that you cannot pick average people to be your VP candidate, because the stresses of the (especially that) campaign are extraordinary.

dogma wrote:

Squidmanlolz wrote:
Also, Biden kept his mouth shut until after he was elected, then America simultaneously face-palmed

When it really counts (elections, key issue debates, etc.) Biden can hold it together and when he doesn't, he mistakes tend to be fairly standard gaffe territory (mispronunciations, incorrect names, etc.).

Palin, on the other hand, would make critical, and almost comical errors. For example, her infamous line about being able to see Russia would have been a perfect dose of levity into a clearly charged interview, had it been delivered as a joke.

I'm not fond of the idea that she's stupid, because I don't think she really is. She is, in my opinion, an average person who is much of what she claims to be. The problem was that you cannot pick average people to be your VP candidate, because the stresses of the (especially that) campaign are extraordinary.

This.
And i'll repeat what i said earlier. She is a good Mouthpiece(if you like that mesage!). She is just that. She couldn't be told how to answer in her interviews. Only how to try to put out the fire she'd already started due to the interviews. Why would anyone who wanted to REALLY be VP or even President, QUIT half way through her term as Gov.? The drama from her lawsuits was alot of BS. She wanted to earn money. period.

alarmingrick wrote:Oh clearly a Half-term Gov. is much better than a Sen with yrs. of service.

I always appreciate the "half-term" argument, or really anything that attacks Palin on the basis of experience.

How did that argument not apply to Obama in '08?

'12 is, of course, a different story, because the O will have nearly 4 years of experience in the office. Well, maybe 2 years, taking time off for vacations, golf, and the like.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/

Anyone got a primary source for Presidential vacation days? I'd like to get a total for Obama so far. And I'd like to get a more direct source than CBS for the 1020 days on vacation figure I'm getting for W.