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ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

ObliviousBlueCaboose wrote:Groans*

TWC are imo so fething stupid looking. And silly. But hey if its popular people willbuy it. And ill laugh at the model.

Because Marines on giant wolves are the most ridiculous thing about 40k, right? It's a model people have been waiting since October 2009 for, so it's a long time coming. A lot of people have bought third party ones by now, but I personally haven't liked most that I've seen. Curious how the GW ones will look.

They may not be the most ridiculous thing but its pretty close. Any cavlary in a sci fi setting is rediculos. But space vikings riding giant space wolves firing wolfguns and hitting people with wolfaxes is pretty stupid. To be honest space wolves in general are pretty rediculous.

WE GET IT YOU DON'T LIKE SPACE WOLVES!

But each to his own eh. I don't get the point in a seven foot tall super human with technology to fly around the galaxy having wings but you don't hear me complaining about it.

I personally love them and have several sets of the different company sculpts. I'll be looking forward to having a 3rd group of 5 if the ones from GW are nice looking : D

Mad4Minis wrote:
Thats the problem with GW, they are likely to drop the ball. Look at the Dreadknight...could have been an epic awesome model, instead its terrible. You just never know with GW...

Yes, look at the Dreadknight, one bad model in a sea of otherwise very good models. The only kits they've dropped the ball on that I can think of off the top of my head in the past 12 months are the Dreadknight and the Stormraven. Even so, they're not abominable kits. Look at the new Vampire Counts kits - they're goddamn gorgeous. The coven throne is possibly the most impressive plastic kit I've ever seen, even if it isn't something I have a use for. While yes, there is a chance for the kit to end up as a Razorgor-level trainwreck, the chances are far better that it'll be a competent kit that looks fine. Who knows, it might even end up as one of those extra great GW kits that comes along every so often.

So yeah, you actually do know with GW. Out of all the things to bash with them, their models are not something to sneer at.

I like the models for Bloodcrushers alot, so Im still hopefull that the designer dont mess this up (despite my dissapointment at the storm of magic beasties). Anyway, I recently updated my first small TWC to some nice large resin beasts, so I dont really see the point of getting new ones for now.
Guess most tournaments will require GW sanctioned TWC though.

Edit: Imagine my surprice ¨, I got myself Canis -one of my least favourite GW models, just to realise I kind of liked it when I saw it in real life and got to paint it myself.

Fayric wrote:I like the models for Bloodcrushers alot, so Im still hopefull that the designer dont mess this up (despite my dissapointment at the storm of magic beasties). Anyway, I recently updated my first small TWC to some nice large resin beasts, so I dont really see the point of getting new ones for now.
Guess most tournaments will require GW sanctioned TWC though.

Edit: Imagine my surprice ¨, I got myself Canis -one of my least favourite GW models, just to realise I kind of liked it when I saw it in real life.

I actually like the Canis model alright. It's not 100% awful, but it is 110% silly. Aside from Canis' face I actually think it's a pretty decent model. The Bloodcrusher kit is what gives me the most hope for TWC models.

Space Wolves don't need Thunderwolf Cavalry. That position is already filled by these big metal things with engines, handlebars and two wheels. If anything, I like the Bloodcrushers route, and having them be all or at least partly mechanical.

Thunderwolves would have been something cool to field with the old SW 13th company (maybe as Fenrisian wolves that were affected by the warp- or injected with the canis helix so they are pseudo-wolfen), but that's it.

Kanluwen wrote:
Under the old IG codex, there was actually a doctrine for "Xeno-Beasts" published in White Dwarf. Example they used was of Carnosaurs--which is, of course, awesome.

But there are also the Eldar Exodites, who ride titanic dinosaur-ish beasties.

There is also the Forge World roughriders on some weird alien critters, I believe. I think the models looked like they'd be cool if painted right, but the scheme forge world showed them in didn't do anything for me. Definitely something for a better painter than me, anyway.

AegisGrimm wrote:Space Wolves don't need Thunderwolf Cavalry. That position is already filled by these big metal things with engines, handlebars and two wheels. If anything, I like the Bloodcrushers route, and having them be all or at least partly mechanical.

Thunderwolves would have been something cool to field with the old SW 13th company (maybe as Fenrisian wolves that were affected by the warp- or injected with the canis helix so they are pseudo-wolfen), but that's it.

Well, they serve a decidedly different purpose than bikes. They're not super fast, but they're really heavy shock units.

AegisGrimm wrote:Space Wolves don't need Thunderwolf Cavalry. That position is already filled by these big metal things with engines, handlebars and two wheels. If anything, I like the Bloodcrushers route, and having them be all or at least partly mechanical.

Bikes don't bite. Sure, SW don't NEED Thunderwolves. No one really NEEDS anything. That being said, they are a cool addition to the army.

Thunderwolves would have been something cool to field with the old SW 13th company (maybe as Fenrisian wolves that were affected by the warp- or injected with the canis helix so they are pseudo-wolfen), but that's it.

I think there's already an explanation for TW.

Balance wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:
Under the old IG codex, there was actually a doctrine for "Xeno-Beasts" published in White Dwarf. Example they used was of Carnosaurs--which is, of course, awesome.

But there are also the Eldar Exodites, who ride titanic dinosaur-ish beasties.

There is also the Forge World roughriders on some weird alien critters, I believe. I think the models looked like they'd be cool if painted right, but the scheme forge world showed them in didn't do anything for me. Definitely something for a better painter than me, anyway.

The Mukaali. They're essentially "space camels".

Loving the idea of having some TWC. Like them or not they're in the codex and GW should get in habit of making models they put in their codices. You got that GW? Hope you Tyranid fools get a good second wave too.

As for me, I'm eagerly awaiting some Dark Angel love. Until I get plastics I'll have to settle for a young Jessica Alba.

I'ven been toying with an army and Space Wolves always were first on the list. I like the Nordic feel to them and the RAgnar fluff was fun.

With that being said I always wanted an army like the cover of the Hersey book with the SW marine with the yellow hair and the wolves around him.

Id see a better use of a 'pet' class for them. Instead of a riding wolf why not a scent sniffing war dog....

Goatboy wrote:With that being said I always wanted an army like the cover of the Hersey book with the SW marine with the yellow hair and the wolves around him.

You know that's Leman Russ, right?

Id see a better use of a 'pet' class for them. Instead of a riding wolf why not a scent sniffing war dog....

Okay, now you're mixing up your games.

Space Wolves have no need for scent sniffing war dogs really as they can do that themselves.

You never know they may also release a plastic Fenrisian wolves pack so your wish may be answered?

Thunder wolves are meant to be BIG NASTY BEASTs, not just a wolf... they are a lot more than simple "a bike", or a "a big wolf", they are stuff of legends among the fenrisian people.

Think about a Bear, now, think about it a little bigger, and a bit more agile (like a wolf), now you got what is a Thunde Wolf.

The few lucky space wolfes who get the friendship of one, dont get a "bike with 4 legs", they get a living saga and a friend for all live, when he fight, he is not sitting in "a big bike", he is sitting in a living beying greater than him, that stinctly respond to his desires (as he do).

So, the unit make sense as a elite unit of glory seekers, a piece of the culture of the chapter, not as a "tactical option". (Or you think there in a planet full of space vikings marines and giant wolfs, none of them would think about "tame" a wolf?)

I hope GW do this in a great way, but i think it will not be cheap...

Brother SRM wrote:

Fayric wrote:I like the models for Bloodcrushers alot, so Im still hopefull that the designer dont mess this up (despite my dissapointment at the storm of magic beasties). Anyway, I recently updated my first small TWC to some nice large resin beasts, so I dont really see the point of getting new ones for now.
Guess most tournaments will require GW sanctioned TWC though.

Edit: Imagine my surprice ¨, I got myself Canis -one of my least favourite GW models, just to realise I kind of liked it when I saw it in real life.

I actually like the Canis model alright. It's not 100% awful, but it is 110% silly. Aside from Canis' face I actually think it's a pretty decent model. The Bloodcrusher kit is what gives me the most hope for TWC models.

I think Canis Wolfborn's mount, looks more like a Big fluffy cat to me, than a wolf.

On topic, Space wolves deserve their second wave, so I'm glad they'll be getting it. I'm curious how big of a kit it's going to be. 3 Man kit for 50 is my bet.

Sasori wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Fayric wrote:I like the models for Bloodcrushers alot, so Im still hopefull that the designer dont mess this up (despite my dissapointment at the storm of magic beasties). Anyway, I recently updated my first small TWC to some nice large resin beasts, so I dont really see the point of getting new ones for now.
Guess most tournaments will require GW sanctioned TWC though.

Edit: Imagine my surprice ¨, I got myself Canis -one of my least favourite GW models, just to realise I kind of liked it when I saw it in real life.

I actually like the Canis model alright. It's not 100% awful, but it is 110% silly. Aside from Canis' face I actually think it's a pretty decent model. The Bloodcrusher kit is what gives me the most hope for TWC models.

I think Canis Wolfborn's mount, looks more like a Big fluffy cat to me, than a wolf.

On topic, Space wolves deserve their second wave, so I'm glad they'll be getting it. I'm curious how big of a kit it's going to be. 3 Man kit for 50 is my bet.

Will GW trot out the prancing pony troop or will they have gone for a revamp look that is far more imposing and deadly looking. I dearly hope it is the later.

Hopefully it's a plastic 3 pack or GW has lost the plot. Price point sounds about right.

Why GW delays releases like this allowing third party companies to make money selling "unofficial TW"? This only helps those other companies to become bigger, create their own games and attract GW unhappy customers.

They should stop creating codex entries without associated miniatures.

I just hope those SW use one hand to control their TW. That Canis "dancing with wolves" pose is like a bad fan conversion.

garrapignado wrote:Why GW delays releases like this allowing third party companies to make money selling "unofficial TW"? This only helps those other companies to become bigger, create their own games and attract GW unhappy customers.

They should stop creating codex entries without associated miniatures.

I just hope those SW use one hand to control their TW. That Canis "dancing with wolves" pose is like a bad fan conversion.

I may not agree with everything some of the third parties do, but this is just silly. Is having more companies in the marketplace a bad thing?

Also, a key part of the hobby is kitbashing and creating things from other things. Heck, we used to make tanks out of deodorant containers and they showed them off in WD. I don't think it is unreasonable to have some things that do not have associated models. I would argue that they should probably make an effort to classify the base/model size though to help with conversions.

Lastly, although the two claw thing is a bit silly, knee guiding cavalry (and we're talking horses which aren't natural predators with crazy instincts) is not without precedent.

Kanluwen wrote:

Balance wrote:
There is also the Forge World roughriders on some weird alien critters, I believe. I think the models looked like they'd be cool if painted right, but the scheme forge world showed them in didn't do anything for me. Definitely something for a better painter than me, anyway.

The Mukaali. They're essentially "space camels".

Thanks. i think they are neat models in an "OMG, that thing is creepy!" kind of way... but then again, some people think Camels are creepy.

And in all honesty, the guys I work for have two (1/144) cavalry options:



(Please keep the scale in mind... These are roughly 12mm.)

pretre wrote:

garrapignado wrote:Why GW delays releases like this allowing third party companies to make money selling "unofficial TW"? This only helps those other companies to become bigger, create their own games and attract GW unhappy customers.

They should stop creating codex entries without associated miniatures.

I just hope those SW use one hand to control their TW. That Canis "dancing with wolves" pose is like a bad fan conversion.

I may not agree with everything some of the third parties do, but this is just silly. Is having more companies in the marketplace a bad thing?

Also, a key part of the hobby is kitbashing and creating things from other things. Heck, we used to make tanks out of deodorant containers and they showed them off in WD. I don't think it is unreasonable to have some things that do not have associated models. I would argue that they should probably make an effort to classify the base/model size though to help with conversions.

Lastly, although the two claw thing is a bit silly, knee guiding cavalry (and we're talking horses which aren't natural predators with crazy instincts) is not without precedent.

About third party companies: I mean GW point of view, of course. It's bad for them, good for us.

About knee guiding: I see it suitable to keep a horse riding forward and making little corrections, but away from fight, as archery cavalry along history. I don't see it suitable for a close combat cavalry. Even Squig riders use one hand! And they are the uber-crazy goblins. But hey, maybe SW have a plug in their asses that connects them with the wolf (techno-Avatar way). Although, we can always say "hey, it's sci-fi, who cares about how to guide the wolf if they are cool". Let's hope they are cool and we don't have to care about details like this.

garrapignado wrote:

pretre wrote:

garrapignado wrote:Why GW delays releases like this allowing third party companies to make money selling "unofficial TW"? This only helps those other companies to become bigger, create their own games and attract GW unhappy customers.

They should stop creating codex entries without associated miniatures.

I just hope those SW use one hand to control their TW. That Canis "dancing with wolves" pose is like a bad fan conversion.

I may not agree with everything some of the third parties do, but this is just silly. Is having more companies in the marketplace a bad thing?

Also, a key part of the hobby is kitbashing and creating things from other things. Heck, we used to make tanks out of deodorant containers and they showed them off in WD. I don't think it is unreasonable to have some things that do not have associated models. I would argue that they should probably make an effort to classify the base/model size though to help with conversions.

Lastly, although the two claw thing is a bit silly, knee guiding cavalry (and we're talking horses which aren't natural predators with crazy instincts) is not without precedent.

About third party companies: I mean GW point of view, of course. It's bad for them, good for us.

About knee guiding: I see it suitable to keep a horse riding forward and making little corrections, but away from fight, as archery cavalry along history. I don't see it suitable for a close combat cavalry. Even Squig riders use one hand! And they are the uber-crazy goblins. But hey, maybe SW have a plug in their asses that connects them with the wolf (techno-Avatar way). Although, we can always say "hey, it's sci-fi, who cares about how to guide the wolf if they are cool". Let's hope they are cool and we don't have to care about details like this.

Magnetic ass implants.

I should right GW fluff.

garrapignado wrote:About knee guiding: I see it suitable to keep a horse riding forward and making little corrections, but away from fight, as archery cavalry along history. I don't see it suitable for a close combat cavalry. Even Squig riders use one hand! And they are the uber-crazy goblins. But hey, maybe SW have a plug in their asses that connects them with the wolf (techno-Avatar way). Although, we can always say "hey, it's sci-fi, who cares about how to guide the wolf if they are cool". Let's hope they are cool and we don't have to care about details like this.

Or they have a super bond with their TWC and they don't need to use such crude instruments as reins to guide them.

pretre wrote:Lastly, although the two claw thing is a bit silly, knee guiding cavalry (and we're talking horses which aren't natural predators with crazy instincts) is not without precedent.

Well, that is my oppinion, but the link beetween a thunderwolf and his rider is not just of "mount and rider". That is a lot more deep than it, you dont go there, capture a thunder wolf and tame him. You go there, find a thunder wolf, beat him in battle, convive with him for some time, convince him you are his soul brother and them he let you sit in her back and you two go to fight together. So, Canis is not "controling" his wolf, it is sharing the battle experiencies with a wolf brother. Knee guiding is easy in those conditions, specially when you have legendary skills on the fenrisian wolf language...

pretre wrote:Or they have a super bond with their TWC and they don't need to use such crude instruments as reins to guide them.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Well, that is my oppinion, but the link beetween a thunderwolf and his rider is not just of "mount and rider". That is a lot more deep than it, you dont go there, capture a thunder wolf and tame him. You go there, find a thunder wolf, beat him in battle, convive with him for some time, convince him you are his soul brother and them he let you sit in her back and you two go to fight together. So, Canis is not "controling" his wolf, it is sharing the battle experiencies with a wolf brother. Knee guiding is easy in those conditions, specially when you have legendary skills on the fenrisian wolf language...

Ok, you really convinced me. Dwarf wolf almost made me cry... Those lazy rough riders should learn something (if they live enough).

I'm really excited about this, but at the same time I am soooooo done with painting marines right now. I just don't think I could do another 5-10 marine models no matter how long I've waited for these.

I was a bit disappointed that the Leman Russ battle tank got dropped from the puppies codex only to be replaced with T-Wolves and lots of other ideas that I never thought associated with space wolves but are.

I did think the idea that space marines riding wolves was a bit ridiculous but I have grown to like the concept and the models could be very cool and are very effective, that I have seen.

For the next codes i'd think it cool in GW brought back the Leman Russ as it was a characterful, fluffy unit that cost them nothing to just drop into the old codex that isn't overpowered either.


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MightyGodzilla wrote:
As for me, I'm eagerly awaiting some Dark Angel love. Until I get plastics I'll have to settle for a young Jessica Alba.

Jessica Alba is in the Dark Angels, that chapters changed a bit.

pretre wrote:

Goatboy wrote:With that being said I always wanted an army like the cover of the Hersey book with the SW marine with the yellow hair and the wolves around him.

You know that's Leman Russ, right?

Id see a better use of a 'pet' class for them. Instead of a riding wolf why not a scent sniffing war dog....

Okay, now you're mixing up your games.

i knew it was Russ, lol i was at work and wanted to post quickly ... and not think lol


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Chimaera wrote:Space Wolves have no need for scent sniffing war dogs really as they can do that themselves.

You never know they may also release a plastic Fenrisian wolves pack so your wish may be answered?

ok I give up , they can smell better than the dogs.....

You know the bad ass with the pit bull on a metal chain? That's what I see. Since they are wolv-ish themselves they would be their closest of kin.

Didnt they have to go out into the wild as part of their 'test' to become a man ? Or, go to die by the wolves in the tundra,,,,I cant remember..

azreal13 wrote:I am genuinely waiting for someone to release/me to discover a suitable big cat miniature, I have a great idea for a SW counts as army but jungle/cat based rather than arctic/wolf based.

The Thundercat Cavalry will be the centre piece.

(and in typing this, I've just realised what I've done with that!)

I thought about doing that with the lions from the high elf chariot. They look big enough.

ok I give up , they can smell better than the dogs.....

You know the bad ass with the pit bull on a metal chain? That's what I see. Since they are wolv-ish themselves they would be their closest of kin.

Didnt they have to go out into the wild as part of their 'test' to become a man ? Or, go to die by the wolves in the tundra,,,,I cant remember..

They have the test of Morkai which is the first phase of the geneseeds and the most dangerous. They basically make the aspirant drink the first geneseed the Canis Helix, dump him a thousand miles from the Fang. If his body and mind can accept the Canis Helix without turning into a mad man/raging beast and make it back to the Fang on foot alive. He then gets the rest of the geneseeds. More fail than suceed from memory.

While a little off topic. The "there are no Wolves on Fenris" is an interesting one. I think it was Prospero Burns but could have been Battle of the Fang where a SW character is attcked by some sort of Warp entity, I cannot remeber exactly. A Wolf steps into the frey and you cannot help but feel the Wolf was more than an animal. You got the impression it carried the soul of a fallen Space Wolf. So when you say closest kin. This may be nearer the truth than you think. Than again I could be remembering it wrong.

I could be wrong but I feel the Wolves on Fenris are similar to Eldar Warpstones where they can carry the essence/soul of fallen Space Wolves. Maybe this is why the Space Wolves like having them around although they probably approach it from a belief/lore angle rather than psychic knowledge. I know this is a bit out there but I think there is something in it. It could even be they devoured fallen aspirants and by doing so some how take on their soul and the aspirant fights for the Space Wolves in a different way/has an affinity. One day GW & the Black Library may explain.