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Pacific wrote:Wow, I'm amazed, 14 posts in and no-one has mentioned the big white elephant sat in the corner of the room!

That's right, the guy in my avatar

Well you see there's a reason for that, this thread is for models that never reached their full potential but the Squats emerged fully formed from Jarvis' brain like Athena from Zeus' brow. From day one they were in their perfected form.

That's why GW had to kill them, they were too beautiful for this world.

Pre pre-paints Confrontation. There could have been so much more good stuff there.
We only ever had one Akkyshan Elf and no Utopia of the Sphinx models. Some of the other factions needed some breadth added as well.

Starship Troopers.

Man, those bear suits (I think their name was) were super sweet.

I wanted like ten thousand of them.

malfred wrote:Starship Troopers.

Man, those bear suits (I think their name was) were super sweet.

I wanted like ten thousand of them.

Grizzly suits



Yeah they do look pretty boss...

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

malfred wrote:Starship Troopers.

Man, those bear suits (I think their name was) were super sweet.

I wanted like ten thousand of them.

Grizzly suits



Yeah they do look pretty boss...

Thanks, now I have MORE things I need to hunt down!

I have those Grizzly suits and the Cougars too. SST was a fun game. Those miniatures are in my collection for the rest of my life.

100 Kingdoms - I remember promoting that game. So much potential with the original owner involved. I had a great little growing group of players, even a tournament. But then new owners took over and my FLGS no longer could get the miniatures, plans died, people moved on...I sold all of them except a few special models off.

Warzone - I still have about 100 or so Bauhaus soldiers, and some Templars and a few Brotherhood. I played many a memorable game with them. One day I'll get around to making them an IG regiment.

Warzone.

But then I refused to allow my miniatures to gather dust and adapted the armies I got to 40K. Now my Mishima double as eldar and my IG is 90% Bauhaus and Imperial figures.

M.

Current Edition Epic for me. They had so many models ready for launch. Black Templars were all master molded and included things like neophyte bikers, LR crusader models and a re-done scout line. The chaos line was ready to go with daemon engines, chaos bikers and dreadnoughts and a Banelord Titan amongst the releases. Even Blood Angels were nearing completion (Death Company and Baal Predators all done). They even had concepts for a redone Capital Imperialis drawn up. But they started the chaos releases and just stopped. All those models ready to go and they just stop?

Such a shame for an excellent game.

Wow they are like 40k Big Daddy's from Bioshock.

EDIT - Epic 40k was so Good....I'm using the Netepicgold rules..

http://www.netepic.org/netepic.html

mwnciboo wrote:I love Squats and would definitely have them as an Army, it's sad that all that great stuff "Land Trains" "Blimps" and that Giant Cannon that I cannot remember what it was called

Goliath Mega Cannon?

Oh yeah! Thats the one. Imagine that in 40k it would be enormous.

1) Necromuna- so opportunies wasted.
2) Cultist line- been said above.
3) Chaos Dwarves- they were canned and they cool for their time.

Just remembered two more things that really grinds my gears.

Wracks, and grotesques. Why couldn't they have made these lads in plastic? And with less static poses... Especially the grot. It seems like a... Pain.. To convert if you want more than the one pose.

Looking at the artwork, I'd say that these two units are the only fail in the new DE range. Both modelwise, and costwise (and pointwise on the grots...)

/Calle

Yes, although both of the latter two are available through Forge World. In a way I think FW is still representing the true 'for hobbyists, by hobbyists' that GW themselves used to attest to. Really cool ideas, that lots of wargamers want, but the sales guys don't think will bring in enough money.

Mordhiem. Such an awesome first year then only a trickle. With figures you could easily use in a WHFB army too.

The old zany character of the Orks is definately lacking these days, so I'd put them in the top two spots: one for clans and the other for Feral Orks.

Wish the Valhallans were a viable option for an IG army too.

1. Sisters of Battle- Plastic kits are desperately needed.The late
st addition to this line was a Failcast Throne of Judgment.
2.Guard- Where are the kits for Tanith, Vostroyan, Valhallan, Mordian etc. Also they are missing female guard models.
3. Mechanicum - Why won't GW make magos and Skittari? There's alot of them in the fluff and in Black Library novels.

Oh, I suppose I should add the really obvious GW stuff:
Every single Specialist Game. Or perhaps they did reach their full potential, and then were left to starve under the porch, out of sight.

My Imperial Guard. I love being able to just literally scoop up a handful of plastic guardsmen without having to worry about chipped paint or arms coming off ect.

My Mordians on the other hand, have to be handled one at a time, with the metal scratching everything off each other. Nothing makes me more annoyed that having to actually patch my men up after every fight, because one fell over onto two others and chipped off the paint.

Realistically it wouldn't be too hard for GW. They already have all the models in metal form, so supporting a plastic range couldn't be too difficult. Could it?

Alas poor WGF greatcoats, I knew thee IN AMERICA

Ignatius wrote:My Mordians on the other hand, have to be handled one at a time, with the metal scratching everything off each other. Nothing makes me more annoyed that having to actually patch my men up after every fight, because one fell over onto two others and chipped off the paint.

Give them a coat of gloss varnish, then a coat of dullcote. Problem solved.

Pacific wrote:Yes, although both of the latter two are available through Forge World. In a way I think FW is still representing the true 'for hobbyists, by hobbyists' that GW themselves used to attest to. Really cool ideas, that lots of wargamers want, but the sales guys don't think will bring in enough money.

Then credit to GW for maintaining this arm then?

That said they really should ramp the Epic side of FW back up, not sure what happened there?

mwnciboo wrote:I'm thinking of lines that Citadel and GW have released over the years and just left them be. Ones that had great options or possibilties but just got left behind or never had the time or funds lavished on them that would have lead them to realise their potential. I am also including old lines that could do with an Update as they deserve it...

... Adeptus Arbites - Really nice concept could have been a really nice force different to IG, more like SM Scouts they released some models over the years but no codex Imperial Agents no nice special Characters, no specialist vehicles Adeptus Arbite Valkyrie anyone or maybe a crowd suppression tank with Hurricane Bolters?

This would be my #1 choice. Adeptus arbites figure resonably prominently in GW fiction and fluff and are pretty iconic, but they've only gotten a couple of small rounds of figures. This is baffling to me as it would have been extremely easy to roll them into Witchhunters or IG and release a few new sculpts.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Not GW but I really thought the Void/Urban War/Metropolis line had tons of potential.

Agree, but while it may have had some additional potential, it's still one of the largest metal 28mm lines around and remarkably complete. The size of the minis are slightly smaller than current GW, but are right in scale with mid 90's 40k and necromunda.

The new Urban war figs are cool, but they defintiely are trying for the GW/PP loads-of-detail look, which is notably different from the streamlined look of the VOID figs. Also, the Viridians who were formerly great Catachan proxies have a new look that is not at all the same.

MightyGodzilla wrote:
Outside of GW...
...Battletech..

I'm not sure why Battletech is listed. It's one of the largest miniature lines currently in existance, and continues to grow and be supported by new minis and new sourcebooks. Nearly every one of the hundreds of units in BT are represented by a model, some by multiple versions! If anything BT is probably one of the games that is doing the most to fullfill it's potential.

@mwnciboo

I disagree (to some extent) on what you said about orks (atleast based on that pic)

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod900120a

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod900119a

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1730001

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440268a&prodId=prod650001a

And thats just orks, orcs have more.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

malfred wrote:Starship Troopers.

Man, those bear suits (I think their name was) were super sweet.

I wanted like ten thousand of them.

Grizzly suits



Yeah they do look pretty boss...

Those are boss as .

Squats

Orks

Genestealer cultists / Harlies

1972Lt1 wrote:1. Sisters of Battle- Plastic kits are desperately needed.The late
st addition to this line was a Failcast Throne of Judgment.
2.Guard- Where are the kits for Tanith, Vostroyan, Valhallan, Mordian etc. Also they are missing female guard models.
3. Mechanicum - Why won't GW make magos and Skittari? There's alot of them in the fluff and in Black Library novels.

To me, the bigger question is why FW hasn't tackled it. Seems like it'd be right up their alley, unless GW's told them "hands off."

That could be the case. I did hear a rumour once that, following their release in the BFG range, the FW sculptors were told "No 40k Demiurg" in no uncertain terms by GW HQ.

Whether that was down to GW planning their own range in the future (and not wanting to compromise it), or a hangover of the Squat-hatred (concerning the important staff member who had reputedly said 'there will never be dwarfs in 40k while I am at this company'), I have no idea. The same thing could equally apply, or of course FW might not have got round to it yet. Certainly there are enough 3rd party producers, as well as fan made conversions, to make you think there would be a big enough market for it.

Re. the Guard, why bother? Far easier to keep churning out decade old (and now quite dated looking) sculpts, which people are obviously continuing to buy happily even after they were cut to 10 a box. You can already buy the other regiments in metal (or resin from FW) and plastic sprues cost big bucks.

Pacific wrote:That could be the case. I did hear a rumour once that, following their release in the BFG range, the FW sculptors were told "No 40k Demiurg" in no uncertain terms by GW HQ.

Whether that was down to GW planning their own range in the future (and not wanting to compromise it), or a hangover of the Squat-hatred (concerning the important staff member who had reputedly said 'there will never be dwarfs in 40k while I am at this company'), I have no idea. The same thing could equally apply, or of course FW might not have got round to it yet. Certainly there are enough 3rd party producers, as well as fan made conversions, to make you think there would be a big enough market for it.

Re. the Guard, why bother? Far easier to keep churning out decade old (and now quite dated looking) sculpts, which people are obviously continuing to buy happily even after they were cut to 10 a box. You can already buy the other regiments in metal (or resin from FW) and plastic sprues cost big bucks.

The one thing that has always baffled me is why no Great Coat plastic Guard? If they looked like this guy they would sell by the bucket load. The one and only reason I can think off is they don't want to hurt the DKoK line, but that has never stopped GW from poaching FW's ideas before.

Space Marine (Epic) was a fantastic rules set that was ruined.