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I was trying to figure out a way to use the Heavy Bolters leftover from my Immolators - I have 3 or 4 Servitors I converted from them.

My old go to for conversions used to be the Stormbolters that came with the box set but I turned all those into Meltas, so now I need to start digging into 'real' SoB to make it happen...

Just checked e-bay, SoB HB's are running for around 8-10 a pop plus shipping from the UK...

The problem with the HB list is also that I would, very badly, want to take the Command Squads as well, but that requires a near useless Canoness and forsaking the awesomeness of Conclaves.

So are they impossible to use well if you don't like using SC's?

You could always go with gun installations on 25mm bases. Have the 'Superior' be a sister with a bunch of control panel stuff and have all the HB be automated guns.



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Not impossible, but you are unnecessarily nerfing yourself. There's really no reason not to use SCs in any army now as they are basically just a specific build of character. There's no restrictions or anything else anymore and you can just re-fluff it to be your character.

pretre wrote:You could always go with gun installations on 25mm bases. Have the 'Superior' be a sister with a bunch of control panel stuff and have all the HB be automated guns.

I love that idea.

How would you go about winning a game against IG parking lot?

Go second, full reserve, outflank dominions?

meh_ wrote:How would you go about winning a game against IG parking lot?

Go second, full reserve, outflank dominions?

If first, scout doms pop smoke. Arrange at exactly 12" away. Turn one, disembark 2", move 6, try to pop one chim, charge 6, krak open all those chimeras and or guardsmen.
If second, scout doms pop smoke and arrange to provide maximum cover to the rest of your army.

Reserving against guard just means you get shot a little at a time in many cases. Scout will get you closer than outflank most of the time and more timely.

The nice thing about outflanking (or the potential to do so) is that it narrows an opponents deployment zone if they are trying to avoid it. If going second against guard, they will probably 'worry' about the potential for outflanking meltas and deploy more centrally which provides some opportunities to block LoS using terrain features.

I concur that reserving the whole army against them is asking to be tabled - SoB are not fast enough to pull this off and they need to close to that 12" kill box to be effective.

I love the idea of the single sister with the control panel, I wonder if I can get one of the Exorcist Organ SoB's and use her as the 'commander.' Also let's me reuse my servitors which are more robotic than organic...This 12x Heavy Bolter list may happen, and it also gives me an excuse to pull out the 20 Seraphim I have not used since 5th Ed started!

Oh and with 3 doms, leaving one for outflanking puts the fear of dom into them re: calypso2ts's point.

Let us know how that HB thing works out.

Ok So spent some time on army builder last night and came up with quite a few builds, so Im sorry that his is going to be a marthon post but if you can read over them and tell me what you think. I have Ideas on how each should work so if you have questions just name the list and ask away.

2000pt Slash and Burn


HQ: Saint Celestine


Fast Attack: Seraphim Squad (10)
Seraphim Squad Two Hand Flamers (x1); Two Inferno Pistols (x1);
Seraphim Superior Bolt Pistol; Eviscerator


Fast Attack: Seraphim Squad (10)
Seraphim Squad Two Hand Flamers (x1); Two Inferno Pistols (x1);
Seraphim Superior Bolt Pistol; Eviscerator


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (10)
Dominion Squad Flamer (x2); Meltagun (x2);
Dominion Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino


Heavy Support: Penitent Engine (3)


Heavy Support: Penitent Engine (3)


Heavy Support: Exorcist


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino

2000pt Seraphim List



HQ: Saint Celestine

HQ: Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith

Battle Conclave (9)
Arco-Flagellant (3) Crusader (2) Death Cult Assassin (4)
Rhino Dozer Blade;Searchlight

Fast Attack: Seraphim Squad (10)
Seraphim Squad Two Hand Flamers (x1); Two Inferno Pistols (x1);
Seraphim Superior Bolt Pistol; Eviscerator

Fast Attack: Seraphim Squad (10)
Seraphim Squad Two Hand Flamers (x1); Two Inferno Pistols (x1);
Seraphim Superior Bolt Pistol; Eviscerator

Fast Attack: Seraphim Squad (10)
Seraphim Squad Two Hand Flamers (x1); Two Inferno Pistols (x1);
Seraphim Superior Bolt Pistol; Eviscerator


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad; Meltagun (x1); Heavy Bolter
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile;


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad; Meltagun (x1); Heavy Bolter
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile;


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad; Meltagun (x1); Heavy Bolter
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile;


Heavy Support: Exorcist Dozer Blade

Heavy Support: Exorcist Dozer Blade

2000pt Repentia Death and Flame



HQ: Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith

HQ: Arch-Confessor Kyrinov

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (9)
Retributor Heavy Flamer (x4);
Retributor Superior Melta Bombs; Storm Bolter; Power Sword );
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile;

Heavy Support: Penitent Engine (2)

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (10)
Retributor Squad 9 Simulacrum Imperialis; Heavy Bolter (x2); Multi-melta (x2);
Retributor Superior Melta Bombs; Storm Bolter
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade;

Elite: Repentia Squad (10)

Elite: Repentia Squad (10)

Battle Conclave (8)
Arco-Flagellant (2) Crusader (2) Death Cult Assassin (4)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade;

Battle Conclave (8)
Arco-Flagellant (2) Crusader (2) Death Cult Assassin (4)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade;

Elite: Priest Detachment Laspistol; Eviscerator

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta
Sister Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; DozerBlade; Hunter-killer Missile

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta
Sister Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; DozerBlade; Hunter-killer Missile

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2000pt Double Conclave


HQ: Arch-Confessor Kyrinov

Battle Conclave (9)
Arco-Flagellant (3) Crusader (2) Death Cult Assassin (4)
Rhino Dozer Blade

Elite: Priest Detachment (1) Laspistol; Eviscerator


HQ: Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith

Battle Conclave (9)
Arco-Flagellant (3) Crusader (2) Death Cult Assassin (4)
Rhino Dozer Blade Searchlight; Dozer Blade


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Dominion Squad Meltagun (x2)
Dominion Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Multi-melta;


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Dominion Squad Meltagun (x2)
Dominion Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Multi-melta;


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Dominion Squad Meltagun (x2)
Dominion Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Multi-melta;



Troops: Battle Sister Squad (17)
Battle Sister Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Flamer (x1); Multi-melta; A
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Immolator Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (17)
Battle Sister Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Flamer (x1); Multi-melta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Immolator Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (10)
Retributor Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1)
Retributor Superior; Storm Bolter (x1);

2000pt Classic Mech

HQ: Saint Celestine


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10ts)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer; Multimelta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun; Power Sword
Rhino Searchlight; Hunter-killer Missile

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10ts)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer; Multimelta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun; Power Sword
Rhino Searchlight; Hunter-killer Missile

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10ts)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer; Multimelta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun; Power Sword
Rhino Searchlight; Hunter-killer Missile

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10ts)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer; Multimelta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun; Power Sword
Rhino Searchlight; Hunter-killer Missile

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10ts)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer; Multimelta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun; Power Sword
Rhino Searchlight; Hunter-killer Missile

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun; Power Sword
Rhino Hunter-killer Missile


Heavy Support: Exorcist

Heavy Support: Exorcist

Heavy Support: Exorcist

Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (11 , 215 pts)
Dominion Squad Flamer (x2); Meltagun (x2)
Dominion Superior Combi-Flamer
Rhino

2000pt Cannoness Faithful DeathStar



HQ: Canoness Rosarius; Bolt Pistol; Power Sword (x1)

HQ: Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith

Elite: Celestian Squad (10) Simulacrum Imperialis;Meltagun (x2);
Celestian Superior Power Sword

Elite: Priest Detachment (5)
Ecclesiarchy Priest Laspistol; Eviscerator
Ecclesiarchy Priest Power Sword; Plasma Pistol
Ecclesiarchy Priest Bolt Pistol; Power Sword
Ecclesiarchy Priest Bolt Pistol; Eviscerator
Ecclesiarchy Priest Power Sword; Plasma Pistol; Melta Bombs


Elite: Repentia Squad (8)

Elite: Repentia Squad (8)


Heavy Support: Penitent Engine (1)

Heavy Support: Penitent Engine (2)

Heavy Support: Exorcist (1) Searchlight; Dozer Blade

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Meltagun (x1); Multimelta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino Searchlight


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Meltagun (x1); Multimelta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino Searchlight


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Meltagun (x1); Multimelta
Sister Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino Searchlight

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2000pt Alpha Strike SOB


HQ: Canoness Combi-Flamer (x1); Power Sword (x1)

HQ: Canoness Combi-Flamer (x1); Power Sword (x1)

Sororitas Command Squad (6)
Simulacrum Imperialis; Multi-melta (x3);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Multi-melta


Sororitas Command Squad (6)
Simulacrum Imperialis; Multi-melta (x3);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Multi-melta


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (10)
Dominion Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolt Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x3);
Dominion Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Flamer (x1); Power Sword (x1);
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile



Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (10)
Dominion Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolt Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x3);
Dominion Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Flamer (x1); Power Sword (x1);
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile



Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (10)
Dominion Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolt Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x3);
Dominion Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Flamer (x1); Power Sword (x1);
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade;


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad ; Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1);
Rhino


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad ; Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1);
Rhino

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (5)
Retributor Squad Heavy Bolter (x2); Multi-melta (x2)
Retributor Superior Bolter; Acts of Faith; Divine Guidance; Shield of Faith
Immolator Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

2000pnt Rage List


HQ: Saint Celestine

HQ: Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith


Elite: Repentia Squad (10)

Elite: Repentia Squad (10)

Heavy Support: Penitent Engine (3)

Heavy Support: Penitent Engine (3)

Heavy Support: Exorcist

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile

Battle Conclave (9)
Arco-Flagellant (3) Crusader (2) Death Cult Assassin (4)
Rhino Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile

2000pnt MultiMelta Spam Meched UP


HQ: Canoness Melta Bombs; Bolt Pistol; Power Sword (x1);

HQ: Canoness Bolt Pistol; Power Sword (x1);

Sororitas Command Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Multi-melta (x3);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Sororitas Command Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Multi-melta (x3);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (6)
Retributor Squad Multi-melta (x4)
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter (x1);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer


Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (6)
Retributor Squad Multi-melta (x4)
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter (x1);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer


Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (6)
Retributor Squad Multi-melta (x4)
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter (x1);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Flamer (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade;

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Flamer (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade;

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Flamer (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade;

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Flamer (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade;

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2000Pnt Jump List



HQ: Saint Celestine

HQ: Arch-Confessor Kyrinov

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (20)
Battle Sister Squad 19 Simulacrum Imperialis; Flamer (x1); Multi-melta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile; Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (20)
Battle Sister Squad 19 Simulacrum Imperialis; Flamer (x1); Multi-melta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile; Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter

Fast Attack: Seraphim Squad (9)
Seraphim Squad Two Hand Flamers (x1); Two Inferno Pistols (x1)
Seraphim Superior Eviscerator; Plasma Pistol

Fast Attack: Seraphim Squad (9)
Seraphim Squad Two Hand Flamers (x1); Two Inferno Pistols (x1)
Seraphim Superior Eviscerator; Plasma Pistol

Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (10)
Dominion Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Flamer (x2); Meltagun (x2);
Dominion Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Flamer (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Rhino Dozer Blade

Heavy Support: Exorcist

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (10)
Retributor Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Heavy Bolter (x2); Multi-melta (x2);
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter (x1);

2000pnt Immolator Ret Spam

HQ: Saint Celestine

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (6)
Retributor Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1)
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter (x1);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile; Twin-Linked Multi-melta;



Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (6)
Retributor Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1)
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter (x1);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile; Twin-Linked Multi-melta;



Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (6)
Retributor Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1)
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter (x1);
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile; Twin-Linked Multi-melta;



Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10) Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Immolator Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter



Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10) Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Immolator Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter




Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (6)
Dominion Squad Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Dominion Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile; Twin-Linked Multi-melta


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (6)
Dominion Squad Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Dominion Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile; Twin-Linked Multi-melta


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (6)
Dominion Squad Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Dominion Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile; Twin-Linked Multi-melta

2000 Pts -Sisters of Battle Fearless Horde Foot List


HQ: Arch-Confessor Kyrinov

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (20)
Battle Sister Squad Meltagun (x1) Multi-melta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (20)
Battle Sister Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolt Pistol Meltagun (x1); Multi-melta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1);


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (20)
Battle Sister Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolt Pistol Meltagun (x1); Multi-melta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1);


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (20)
Battle Sister Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolt Pistol Meltagun (x1); Multi-melta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1);


Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (10)
Retributor Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1)
Retributor Superior ; Melta Bombs; Storm Bolter (x1); Power Sword (x1)



Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (10)
Retributor Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1)
Retributor Superior ; Melta Bombs; Storm Bolter (x1); Power Sword (x1)



Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (10)
Retributor Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1)
Retributor Superior ; Melta Bombs; Storm Bolter (x1); Power Sword (x1)


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (7)
Dominion Squad Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Dominion Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1)

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2000 Pts A Little Bit of Spice


HQ: Arch-Confessor Kyrinov

HQ: Uriah Jacobus, Protector of the Faith

Battle Conclave
Arco-Flagellant (3) Crusader (2) Death Cult Assassin (4)
Rhino Dozer Blade


Battle Conclave
Arco-Flagellant (3) Crusader (2) Death Cult Assassin (4)
Rhino Dozer Blade


Ecclesiarchy Priest - Eviscerator;StormBolter


Retributor Squad 10
Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolt Pistol (x9); Bolter (x5);Heavy Bolter (x2); Multi-melta (x2);
Retributor Superior StormBolter
Rhino



Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Dominion Squad Bolter (x2); Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Dominion Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Immolator Searchlight; Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter



Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Dominion Squad Bolter (x2); Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1)
Dominion Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Immolator Searchlight; Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter



Heavy Support: Exorcist
Searchlight


Heavy Support: Penitent Engine (2)


Troops:
Battle Sister Squad (14)
Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolter (x13); Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1);

Battle Sister Squad (14)
Bolter (x12); Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior


Elite:
Repentia Squad (7)


Total Cost: 2000

2000 Pnt Triple Ret Squad


HQ: Arch-Confessor Kyrinov

HQ: Saint Celestine

Fast Attack: Seraphim Squad (10)
Seraphim Squad Two Hand Flamers (x2)
Seraphim Superior Bolt Pistol Eviscerator

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (10)
Retributor Squad Simulacrum Imperialis;Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1)
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter
Rhino Smoke Launchers; Searchlight


Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (10)
Retributor Squad Simulacrum Imperialis;Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1)
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter
Rhino Smoke Launchers; Searchlight


Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (10)
Retributor Squad Simulacrum Imperialis;Heavy Bolter (x3); Multi-melta (x1)
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter
Rhino Smoke Launchers; Searchlight


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Dominion Squad Meltagun (x2)
Dominion Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Immolator
Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Multi-melta


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Dominion Squad Meltagun (x2)
Dominion Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Immolator
Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Multi-melta


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (17)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)

Troops: Battle Sister Squad (18)
Battle Sister Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Flamer (x1); Multi-melta
Sister Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1); Power Sword (x1)

2000 Pts Dual Cannoness List

HQ: Canoness
Melta Bombs; Bolt Pistol; Power Sword (x1);

HQ: Canoness
Melta Bombs; Bolt Pistol; Power Sword (x1);

Sororitas Command Squad (6)
Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolt Pistol (x3); Multi-melta (x3);
Immolator
Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Multi-melta

Sororitas Command Squad (6)
Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolt Pistol (x3); Multi-melta (x3);
Immolator
Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Multi-melta

Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolt Pistol (x4); Bolter (x2); Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1);
Dominion Superior Combi-Melta (x1)
Immolator
Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer

Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Simulacrum Imperialis; Bolt Pistol (x4); Bolter (x2); Flamer (x1); Meltagun (x1);
Dominion Superior Combi-Melta (x1)
Immolator
Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Heavy Flamer


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (20)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs Power Sword (x1)


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (20)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta;
Sister Superior Melta Bombs Power Sword (x1)

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (5)
Retributor Squad; Simulacrum Imperialis(x4); Heavy Bolter (x4);
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter (x1)

Heavy Support: Retributor Squad (5)
Retributor Squad; Simulacrum Imperialis(x4); Heavy Bolter (x4);
Retributor Superior Storm Bolter (x1)

Elite: Repentia Squad (10)

2000pt Pop and Mop

HQ: Saint Celestine

HQ: Canoness Power Sword (x1)

Sororitas Command Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Multi-melta (x3)
Immolator Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Twin-Linked Heavy Bolter


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (10)
Dominion Squad 9 Simulacrum Imperialis;Flamer (x2); Meltagun (x2);
Dominion Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Flamer (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (10)
Dominion Squad 9 Simulacrum Imperialis;Flamer (x2); Meltagun (x2);
Dominion Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Flamer (x1); Power Sword (x1)
Rhino Searchlight; Dozer Blade; Hunter-killer Missile


Fast Attack: Dominion Squad (5)
Dominion Squad Simulacrum Imperialis; Meltagun (x2);
Dominion Superior Melta Bombs; Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Immolator Twin-Linked Multi-melta


Heavy Support: Exorcist


Heavy Support: Penitent Engine (2)


Heavy Support: Penitent Engine (2)



Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta (x1);
Sister Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino Searchlight


Troops: Battle Sister Squad (10)
Battle Sister Squad Flamer (x1); Multimelta (x1);
Sister Superior Combi-Meltagun (x1)
Rhino Searchlight

Spidey0804 wrote:Ok So spent some time on army builder last night and came up with quite a few builds, so Im sorry that his is going to be a marthon post but if you can read over them and tell me what you think. I have Ideas on how each should work so if you have questions just name the list and ask away.

Wow. In the future, I would summarize rather than post the whole thing.

2000pt Slash and Burn

Interesting. The Seraphim and PEs make for a fast moving wall that hurts if you get near it. It has the difficulty of having very little long range (1 exo).

2000pt Seraphim List

I generally don't bother with Arcos in Uriah's unit since he gives them FNP anyways. The S5 isn't worth giving up a DCA. Those huge Seraphim squads (in this and the last list) are EXPENSIVE. Yikes.

2000pt Repentia Death and Flame

I would swap the rhinos for Rets to TL-MM immos and drop the repentia to 5 or 6 models. Also cutting some upgrades here and you might even get another squad. 2 Troops is way too light for 2k.

2000pt Double Conclave

Interesting. Kyrinov makes those huge squads fearless, which makes them a giant pain in the butt. Double conclave keeps everyone else honest if they get anywhere near you. It makes whatever part of the board you are on a giant tarpit.

2000pt Classic Mech

You have WAY too many upgrades on your BSS. MeltaB, PW, searchlight, HKM. That 's like 26 points a squad right there and you have 6 of them! That's a whole other squad in upgrades. Ditch 3 Sisters squads and those upgrades and get 2 Dominions and a conclave. If you don't want a conclave, pick up some Celestians in a TL-MM immo.

2000pt Cannoness Faithful DeathStar

I'm not sure the point. Are you going to mob Uriah, the Canoness and all those priests together? That's soooo many points that you could do so much better with just DCA. Also, I think you tried to diversify equipment so as to wound allocate on priests, but they are all ICs so you don't need to.

2000pt Alpha Strike SOB

CCS can be relentless. Give them a rhino instead of an Immo so they can shoot 2 out the top and still move. I wouldn't even upgrade the canoness. She's basically just an unlock for the CCS. Going with anything but HB on the Rets is really not cost effective. If you really want to piss off a tank, just take a combi melta. Also, I said it above but your upgrades are OTT. For the most part, MB, PW, HK, etc on normal units aren't worth it.

2000pnt Rage List

Yep, those are some big squads of repentia and penitents. If you get there, it will be messy. If not...

2000pnt MultiMelta Spam Meched UP

Rets don't get relentless, so MM is a really poor choice for them.



I mean, they are all neat ideas but just keep in mind that enough upgrades mean another squad.

This was just to prove a point, and it took me about 2 hours to make all the lists. Yeah I know some of the upgrades are OTT at 1 in the morning i was just trying to get points to balance out. There was alot of copy and pasting going but you still see what I talking about.

I've recently started playing the Sisters a bit, and I find their playing style to be pretty fun. I also feel there is pretty much one 'effective' list and that most Sisters armies will end up looking pretty much the same. I didn't copy anything off the internet when I designed my list, and it looks just like everyone else's! If you feel the need to switch up your army for various battles then they would not be a good choice compared to other armies out there. Here are my general thoughts on them:

First off, except for Exorcists and Heavy Bolters, nothing shoots more than 24 inches so you're forced to close with the enemy (as opposed to sitting back and shooting which I find gets rather boring). I enjoy the dynamic movement phases. I have also developed an appreciation for the ways their various units complement each other. In objective games I think Sisters are quite good. First off, the only Sisters troop choice is pretty vanilla and that works to your advantage. People will tend to ignore them. Granted, your enemy should always plan to attack the troops as quickly as possible in objective games but this is where the other Sisters units shine. First, anybody would be CRAZY to ignore the Jacobus + DCA/Crusaders unit. This thing will kill pretty much any unit that does not have an armour value (although toughness 6 might be rough) and it usually doesn't matter who charges. I run 3 crusaders and 6 assassins and I really like that ratio. Then you have the Exorcists which are nasty and people tend to focus on them once they start killing things. I really like the outflanking Dominions because a MM + 2 meltas is not a nice thing to suddenly have showing up on their side of the board where tanks tend to hang out. And then last you have Celestine, whom I consider a terrific annoyance unit. She has a stat line and abilities that people just can't ignore, and once she gets into a unit or 2 people will focus on her too. If she dies, its quite possible she will pop back up and then rinse/repeat. I find she really doesn't do much as far as killing, but she is great at distracting your opponent. A full unit of Seraphim, with a successful faith roll, can probably do around 20-25 wounds to a squad of toughness 4 models in one turn if you are within flamer range. I doubt this would happen much but its possible. So in the end I find that my Battle sisters tend to survive quite well sitting in their Rhinos near objectives, and they have a heavy flamer and melta in case something creeps close to them. I also find a squad of 4 heavy bolter Retributors are generally ignored unless your opponent has AV 10 vehicles which they will destroy with their 12 str 5 shots (rending does not matter because a 6 is a pen anyway).

Now I have found that Sisters have some big drawbacks too which can be quite difficult to overcome against certain armies. First is their short range. Massed lascannons and missile launchers make hiding your vehicles very important if you are to make it to within 24 inches. I either hide behind terrain or have a lead tank or two pop smoke and then the others try to hide behind them. This is why I really like objective games because then people can't castle up in a corner and shoot the crap out of you. Another drawback is hand-to-hand...they are pretty lousy. Why on earth every Sister has a pistol but no hand weapon is beyond me. Their only saving grace in hand-to-hand is the 3+ save, which will keep casualties down vs standard 1 attach non-power weaponed models. I only assault to tie up units and sometimes it works well. But the biggest drawback is that much of their stuff is reliant upon dice rolls, which can really swing momentum back and forth. Celestine is only toughness 3, and she will be instakilled by lots of stuff (even with 2+/4 armour). Will she get back up? My last game she stayed down for the last 3 turns and never got back up even though she could have made a big difference if she returned. Other games she gets up immediately and is a big thorn in the other army's side. Exorcists are variable shot, and when you roll a 6 your opponent will cringe as opposed to you cringing when you roll a 1. Faith is really a 50/50 dice roll, so you never know when you'll get rending on your Retributors, twin linking your dominions, etc. or not. If you're lucky, everything clicks and the Sisters shine. If its a crucial turn and everything fails then you will probably feel some pain. At this point I generally set my expectations low and plan accordingly (especially with faith). With kill point missions I think they are no better or worse than average (lots of vehicles, but your troops have power armour which is nice to keep them alive).

My 2 cents.

Has it ever been determined if Penitent Engines bought in the same HS slot are in a squadron or individual units?

Amerikon wrote:Has it ever been determined if Penitent Engines bought in the same HS slot are in a squadron or individual units?

Not really. It is a 'discuss with opponent' issue right now.

pretre wrote:

Spidey0804 wrote:

2000pt Cannoness Faithful DeathStar

I'm not sure the point. Are you going to mob Uriah, the Canoness and all those priests together? That's soooo many points that you could do so much better with just DCA. Also, I think you tried to diversify equipment so as to wound allocate on priests, but they are all ICs so you don't need to.

Ok this one is up for interpretation and I will be the first to say I built it like that because if you read the WD it says the detachment is an IC and the detachment can have 0-5 per detachment (which I'm not even sure what they are talking about here) does this mean I can have 3 sets of 5 because they do not use up any force org? Could I run an entire priest army in 5 man squads and just add 2 troops and an HQ? Then it says "But are otherwise treated as separate Elite Units" the Units thing make me think I have take 5 of them only have to worry about 1 KP and then it becomes a whole different ball game. I would not do this if each on is a separate KP.

Call this Rules Lawyering but I think it should be 1 KP for the Unit and then you have to make them all different.

Still its a huge point sink but you have to look at what it can do.

First off everyone has FNP and +1 attack
Celestians give a +1 to Str and fearless when it goes off
Canoness gives the +1 ti initiative and preferred enemy.
The squad is stubborn with a leadership 10
With 2 faith points that goes off on a 3+ with a re-roll( will probably have taken at least 1 wound before they get there so 2+ with a re-roll)

So now lets look at the attacks from this beast.
Name STR(wF) INT(wF) ATT(on the Charge)
Canoness 3(4) 4(5) 5(6) PW
Celestian Squad (9) 3(4) 3(4) 3(4) =27 (36) SA
Cel Superior 3(4) 3(4) 4(5) PW
Uriah 3(4) 4(5) 5(6) SA
Priest w PW 3(4) 4(5) 4(5)= 12(15) PW
Priest w Eviserators 6(8) 1(2) 3(4)= 6(8) PW

for a Total of 21 PW att @ str4 32 Str4 standard Attacks and 6 str 8 PW attacks in normal combat
and a Total of 26 PW str4 42 str 4 normal attacks and 8 str 8 PW attacks on the charge.
Re-rolling misses on the charge, Re-rolling misses in hand to hand.
All the majors have a 4++ with the Celestians having the 3+ 6++

Its a death star that's it 4KP and 700pts I never said it was anything other than that lol.
But with everything you cant look at this codex unit buy unit, you have to look at the list I built it around.

In the INAT FAQ they're considered squadrons. That's a bit of a bummer. They might stand a chance if they could just swamp the enemy with targets. Squadron + Open Topped means penetrating hits will wreck them on a 3+. That's really bad.

If I can wishlist for a second, how awesome would it be to drop a PE from a Storm Raven?

It is 0-5 total preachers in the army for no slots and each one is an IC, hence a KP.

BC_Big_Chief wrote:
With kill point missions I think they are no better or worse than average (lots of vehicles, but your troops have power armour which is nice to keep them alive).

The foot horde list I built only has 9 kps. Its all about how you want to run you SOB army and your play style.


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pretre wrote:It is 0-5 total preachers in the army for no slots and each one is an IC, hence a KP.

No really it doesn't say that.


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"An army can include 0-5 Ecclesiarchy Priest PER detachment. Priest do not use up any force organisation chart selections, but are otherwise treated as separate Elite Units."



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PG 87 WD

Games workshop consistently uses the word "detachment" to mean force org chart. In almost every case, a detachment will just be the same as an army. But GW seems to envision armies consisting of multiple force orgs (which, I suppose, can happen in doubles games). The practical upshot of this is to mean you get 5 priests per army (although, if you're playing doubles with another SoB player, you could theoretically have 5 each).

The unit entry then specifically says each priest is a separate unit. That should end the controversy. Models that are separate units obviously don't all form one unit; I really shouldn't have to say that. So each of your 5 priests is a separate unit consisting of 1 independent character. Thus, each priest can join other squads, each priest gives up a KP, and each priest must be allocated wounds individually, even if they're all joined to the same unit and armed the same way.

Yeah, Aidoneus is right. You get 5 per army.

Aidoneus wrote:Games workshop consistently uses the word "detachment" to mean force org chart. In almost every case, a detachment will just be the same as an army. But GW seems to envision armies consisting of multiple force orgs (which, I suppose, can happen in doubles games). The practical upshot of this is to mean you get 5 priests per army (although, if you're playing doubles with another SoB player, you could theoretically have 5 each).

The unit entry then specifically says each priest is a separate unit. That should end the controversy. Models that are separate units obviously don't all form one unit; I really shouldn't have to say that. So each of your 5 priests is a separate unit consisting of 1 independent character. Thus, each priest can join other squads, each priest gives up a KP, and each priest must be allocated wounds individually, even if they're all joined to the same unit and armed the same way.

OK so if that is the case why does the sentence read;

"A Sisters of Battle army can include 0-5 Ecclesiarchy Priests per detachment."

If it was written like this "A Sisters of Battle army can include 0-5 Ecclesiarchy Priests." I would agree with you, but it doesn't.

Reread Aidoneus' post.

"Games workshop consistently uses the word "detachment" to mean force org chart."

In Apoc, you can use multiple force orgs. So if you use multiple detachments or force orgs, you could have more than 5 priests.

The following sentence is
"Priests do not use up any Force Organisation chart selections, but are otherwise treated as separate Elite units."

Here they are clearly stating a FO. This is the only place in the codex that its written like that so I don't think they are the same thing.

Notice the wording is not the same as Sanguinary priests where it says 'You can take 0-3 priests as an elite choice.' Much different.


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Define detachment then, spidey.

LOL sorry im not a big APOC player. Im just looking at it from a 40k stand point.

By the way...

P87, Main Rulebook:
"Each detachment will be a separate army, using its own force organization chart."


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So, as we said, 0-5 priests per force org chart.

Detachment "a permanently organized separate unit usually smaller than a platoon and of special composition"
Webster.

I meant in game terms, like from the rulebook.

P87, Main Rulebook:
"Each detachment will be a separate army, using its own force organization chart."

pretre wrote:By the way...

P87, Main Rulebook:
"Each detachment will be a separate army, using its own force organization chart."


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So, as we said, 0-5 priests per force org chart.

I conceded that I can only have 5. Well played sir.


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Its still a crazy freaking unit.

Spidey0804 wrote:Its still a crazy freaking unit.

No arguments here, but at 700 points, I think you can do better.

For 650 points you could do something like this:
Uriah
7x Death Cultists
2x Priests w/ Eviscerators

Confessor
7x Death Cultists
2x Priests w/ Eviscerators

Those two units together would get (w/o charging) 7 regular S3 attacks, 49 S4 I6 PW attacks, 10 Eviscerator attacks.
If they charged it's 9 regular S3 attacks, 63 S4 I6 PW attacks, 14 Eviscerator attacks. All, of course, with re-rolls. And you can mount each of those units in Rhinos.