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From what I recall, it wouldn't allow them to produce large titans, as all but 1 type of titan was created after and are not stored withing the STCs. (Could be wrong / it could have changed / since when did WH40Ks fluff make sense or have actual continuity anyway. )

The Titan you're thinking of, the Castigator Bipedal Autonomus Weapon Platform, puts an Imperator to shame both in size, weapon strength and protection. All the other Titans are "descended" from it.

The C-BAWP sounds brilliant, is there a picture of it floating around? Not a 13 year old's sketch, but a legit company sanctioned image?

Edit: not that the two are mutually exclusive

Double Edit: And its written about by the bloke who wrote battle for the abyss...damn :(

I don't think so...it only appeared in Grey Knights: Dark Adeptus.

I agree on the AM. They might once have been purely devoted to returning mankind to it's zenith, but from all the fluff I've read, they're a fiercely introverted cult whose heresies are only tolerated by the other IoM factions because they're all that keeps the Emperor from flatlining. They jump on any tech they find and squirrel it away for study, rarely parting with their prizes.

I suspect they'd do just that with a STM. The rest of the IoM might see some progress from what they've learned from it, but I wouldn't hold your breath. Even with all the dire threats facing the Imperium, forcing the AM higher ranks to acknowledge that would be a tricky task.

If they found the Omnicopaeia which is data storage device which is believed to contain every STC blueprint since the Dark Age of Technology. That would make humans supa numba 1 champions of da galaxy.

Zalmout wrote:If they found the Omnicopaeia which is data storage device which is believed to contain every STC blueprint since the Dark Age of Technology. That would make humans supa numba 1 champions of da galaxy.

I didn't know about that one, thx for mentionining it ^^

Zalmout wrote:If they found the Omnicopaeia which is data storage device which is believed to contain every STC blueprint since the Dark Age of Technology. That would make humans supa numba 1 champions of da galaxy.

Nope, still not as advanced as necrons. Though they would put up one hell of a fight.

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yes, before the fall. At their current mindset, they would not allow humanity to advance their tech to the point of say, necrons.

I find that hard to believe, but anything's possible...

A friend of mine, who's very knowledgeable of 40k says the AdMech wouldn't dare to keep an STC away from the IoM.

It would be like opening pandoras box. After all, remember it was all those advances in sex toys which brought about the birth of Slaanesh and the age of strife in the first place. ...no wait I'm thinking of something else.

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yes, before the fall. At their current mindset, they would not allow humanity to advance their tech to the point of say, necrons.

I find that hard to believe, but anything's possible...

A friend of mine, who's very knowledgeable of 40k says the AdMech wouldn't dare to keep an STC away from the IoM.

Oh, they won't keep it away per se. They just wouldn't let anyone use the technology to make new inventions.

Its like this - Consider a post apoc world where everything is forgotten.
Then someone found a blueprint of the wheel, and then the wheel starts popping up everywhere. However, the group who found it has decided the wheel is a holy artifact, and that any deviation from the wheel is heresy. And any questioning on how the wheel works is also heresy, so no studies on friction, momentum and so on. And if it were a design on how to make a specific vehicle, such as a wagon, then it will be even worse, because now there will be no cars cause that would be a distinct change from the original design.
That's how the Admech works. They are not the purveyors and caretakers of knowledge, but rather the imprisoners of ingenuity.

They are fine with production, just not so fine with creation, unless said creation took 1000 years to produce after countless meaningless rituals to "sanctify" it.

ifStatement wrote:It would be like opening pandoras box. After all, remember it was all those advances in sex toys which brought about the birth of Slaanesh and the age of strife in the first place. ...no wait I'm thinking of something else.

That was the Eldars' screw-up, not mankind's


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CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yes, before the fall. At their current mindset, they would not allow humanity to advance their tech to the point of say, necrons.

I find that hard to believe, but anything's possible...

A friend of mine, who's very knowledgeable of 40k says the AdMech wouldn't dare to keep an STC away from the IoM.

Oh, they won't keep it away per se. They just wouldn't let anyone use the technology to make new inventions.

Its like this - Consider a post apoc world where everything is forgotten.
Then someone found a blueprint of the wheel, and then the wheel starts popping up everywhere. However, the group who found it has decided the wheel is a holy artifact, and that any deviation from the wheel is heresy. And any questioning on how the wheel works is also heresy, so no studies on friction, momentum and so on. And if it were a design on how to make a specific vehicle, such as a wagon, then it will be even worse, because now there will be no cars cause that would be a distinct change from the original design.
That's how the Admech works. They are not the purveyors and caretakers of knowledge, but rather the imprisoners of ingenuity.

They are fine with production, just not so fine with creation, unless said creation took 1000 years to produce after countless meaningless rituals to "sanctify" it.

That's not entirely true. The Mechanicus is against outright invention, but they are perfectly fine with variants of existing technology. That's how stuff like the Land Raider Redeemer came around. It was altered by the Salamanders, but was immediately embraced as yet another "holy" variant of the Land Raider.

Yeh well I'm still going to say that once mankind figure out how to make Star Trek style holodecks they're going to be a lot less concerned about galactic domination and a lot more preoccupied with having virtual reality fun time with pamella anderson.

ifStatement wrote:Yeh well I'm still going to say that once mankind figure out how to make Star Trek style holodecks they're going to be a lot less concerned about galactic domination and a lot more preoccupied with having virtual reality fun time with pamella anderson.

I doubt they even remember the name in their current age XD

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

ifStatement wrote:It would be like opening pandoras box. After all, remember it was all those advances in sex toys which brought about the birth of Slaanesh and the age of strife in the first place. ...no wait I'm thinking of something else.

That was the Eldars' screw-up, not mankind's


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CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yes, before the fall. At their current mindset, they would not allow humanity to advance their tech to the point of say, necrons.

I find that hard to believe, but anything's possible...

A friend of mine, who's very knowledgeable of 40k says the AdMech wouldn't dare to keep an STC away from the IoM.

Oh, they won't keep it away per se. They just wouldn't let anyone use the technology to make new inventions.

Its like this - Consider a post apoc world where everything is forgotten.
Then someone found a blueprint of the wheel, and then the wheel starts popping up everywhere. However, the group who found it has decided the wheel is a holy artifact, and that any deviation from the wheel is heresy. And any questioning on how the wheel works is also heresy, so no studies on friction, momentum and so on. And if it were a design on how to make a specific vehicle, such as a wagon, then it will be even worse, because now there will be no cars cause that would be a distinct change from the original design.
That's how the Admech works. They are not the purveyors and caretakers of knowledge, but rather the imprisoners of ingenuity.

They are fine with production, just not so fine with creation, unless said creation took 1000 years to produce after countless meaningless rituals to "sanctify" it.

That's not entirely true. The Mechanicus is against outright invention, but they are perfectly fine with variants of existing technology. That's how stuff like the Land Raider Redeemer came around. It was altered by the Salamanders, but was immediately embraced as yet another "holy" variant of the Land Raider.

Never mind, misread.

An existing varient isn't quite the same. That's just sticking a new gun onto something. Anyone could do that, hell the orks do that on a regular basis.
The Admech, which their so called expertise could have done research in improving the designs given by the stc, to make better weapons, such as stronger lascannons.
They could have spread the knowledge they have in order to get people to learn how to do things to avoid another dark age.
They could have used their engineering skills to make new vehicles or to reverse engineer alien tech.
But no, they didn't, because of their fanatical and self-righteous mindset.
They could have done research into teleportation tech

ifStatement wrote:Yeh well I'm still going to say that once mankind figure out how to make Star Trek style holodecks they're going to be a lot less concerned about galactic domination and a lot more preoccupied with having virtual reality fun time with pamella anderson.

And Slaneesh did laugh his terrible laugh, as he plucked the souls of mankind and carried them screaming into the Warp.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

ifStatement wrote:It would be like opening pandoras box. After all, remember it was all those advances in sex toys which brought about the birth of Slaanesh and the age of strife in the first place. ...no wait I'm thinking of something else.

That was the Eldars' screw-up, not mankind's


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CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yes, before the fall. At their current mindset, they would not allow humanity to advance their tech to the point of say, necrons.

I find that hard to believe, but anything's possible...

A friend of mine, who's very knowledgeable of 40k says the AdMech wouldn't dare to keep an STC away from the IoM.

Oh, they won't keep it away per se. They just wouldn't let anyone use the technology to make new inventions.

Its like this - Consider a post apoc world where everything is forgotten.
Then someone found a blueprint of the wheel, and then the wheel starts popping up everywhere. However, the group who found it has decided the wheel is a holy artifact, and that any deviation from the wheel is heresy. And any questioning on how the wheel works is also heresy, so no studies on friction, momentum and so on. And if it were a design on how to make a specific vehicle, such as a wagon, then it will be even worse, because now there will be no cars cause that would be a distinct change from the original design.
That's how the Admech works. They are not the purveyors and caretakers of knowledge, but rather the imprisoners of ingenuity.

They are fine with production, just not so fine with creation, unless said creation took 1000 years to produce after countless meaningless rituals to "sanctify" it.

That's not entirely true. The Mechanicus is against outright invention, but they are perfectly fine with variants of existing technology. That's how stuff like the Land Raider Redeemer came around. It was altered by the Salamanders, but was immediately embraced as yet another "holy" variant of the Land Raider.

Never mind, misread

Such things happen

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

ifStatement wrote:It would be like opening pandoras box. After all, remember it was all those advances in sex toys which brought about the birth of Slaanesh and the age of strife in the first place. ...no wait I'm thinking of something else.

That was the Eldars' screw-up, not mankind's


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CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yes, before the fall. At their current mindset, they would not allow humanity to advance their tech to the point of say, necrons.

I find that hard to believe, but anything's possible...

A friend of mine, who's very knowledgeable of 40k says the AdMech wouldn't dare to keep an STC away from the IoM.

Oh, they won't keep it away per se. They just wouldn't let anyone use the technology to make new inventions.

Its like this - Consider a post apoc world where everything is forgotten.
Then someone found a blueprint of the wheel, and then the wheel starts popping up everywhere. However, the group who found it has decided the wheel is a holy artifact, and that any deviation from the wheel is heresy. And any questioning on how the wheel works is also heresy, so no studies on friction, momentum and so on. And if it were a design on how to make a specific vehicle, such as a wagon, then it will be even worse, because now there will be no cars cause that would be a distinct change from the original design.
That's how the Admech works. They are not the purveyors and caretakers of knowledge, but rather the imprisoners of ingenuity.

They are fine with production, just not so fine with creation, unless said creation took 1000 years to produce after countless meaningless rituals to "sanctify" it.

That's not entirely true. The Mechanicus is against outright invention, but they are perfectly fine with variants of existing technology. That's how stuff like the Land Raider Redeemer came around. It was altered by the Salamanders, but was immediately embraced as yet another "holy" variant of the Land Raider.

Never mind, misread

Such things happen

Yeah, I derped on my part. I had to go back and write a better rebuttle

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

ifStatement wrote:It would be like opening pandoras box. After all, remember it was all those advances in sex toys which brought about the birth of Slaanesh and the age of strife in the first place. ...no wait I'm thinking of something else.

That was the Eldars' screw-up, not mankind's


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CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

Grand_Zamboa wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Yes, before the fall. At their current mindset, they would not allow humanity to advance their tech to the point of say, necrons.

I find that hard to believe, but anything's possible...

A friend of mine, who's very knowledgeable of 40k says the AdMech wouldn't dare to keep an STC away from the IoM.

Oh, they won't keep it away per se. They just wouldn't let anyone use the technology to make new inventions.

Its like this - Consider a post apoc world where everything is forgotten.
Then someone found a blueprint of the wheel, and then the wheel starts popping up everywhere. However, the group who found it has decided the wheel is a holy artifact, and that any deviation from the wheel is heresy. And any questioning on how the wheel works is also heresy, so no studies on friction, momentum and so on. And if it were a design on how to make a specific vehicle, such as a wagon, then it will be even worse, because now there will be no cars cause that would be a distinct change from the original design.
That's how the Admech works. They are not the purveyors and caretakers of knowledge, but rather the imprisoners of ingenuity.

They are fine with production, just not so fine with creation, unless said creation took 1000 years to produce after countless meaningless rituals to "sanctify" it.

That's not entirely true. The Mechanicus is against outright invention, but they are perfectly fine with variants of existing technology. That's how stuff like the Land Raider Redeemer came around. It was altered by the Salamanders, but was immediately embraced as yet another "holy" variant of the Land Raider.

Never mind, misread

Such things happen

Yeah, I derped on my part. I had to go back and write a better rebuttle

I derped when I read this on the Escapist
Orks boarding Reapers. Looted Reapers?
"Oi Boss! We found dis 'ere shiny bitz an' we stuck'em in our skinz! Now's we'z all flash!"

You know what's funny? That's probably possible
Orks can loot anything. And I mean anything

CthuluIsSpy wrote:You know what's funny? That's probably possible
Orks can loot anything. And I mean anything

Yea, and I'd like to see a Reaper's expression (if Reapers had faces), when its indoctrination wouldn't work on da orkz, just because "Mork sez so"

It would be like giving medieval monks old computers, guns and cars, letting them be for a few generations, then presenting them with a 3D printer. They would spend hundreds of years figuring it out, and when they no how to work it, they have forgotten what it does.

What would happened if Imperium found fully working STC containing all Human knowledge that they lost during the Age of Strife?

They would progress technologically to a level that would make the Tau look like primitives.

Brother Coa wrote:What would happened if Imperium found fully working STC containing all Human knowledge that they lost during the Age of Strife?

They would progress technologically to a level that would make the Tau look like primitives.

It'll take several decades at least or a few centuries at most for the technology to be fully disseminated from Mars. But I agree; the only ones who could stand up against the Imperium are the Necrons, the Tyranids, the Orks, and to a certain degree, Chaos and the Dark Eldar. Everyone else would be stone age barbarians.

If an STC was brought back to Mars, the AM would have the biggest internal rift since the HH, as they endlessly debated and argued over every fine point, use of the technology, priority, etc.

We would most likely see +1 versions of everything already in existence (S5, AP4 bolters), and threats like the Orks (survived the pre-Strife era just fine), Eldar (see before), and Dark Eldar would suffer some initial setbacks, but would only lose a few impact worthy conflicts for at most a generation before adapting to /looting new technology. The Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, and Chaos all have become threats in the post STC world, so hardly would be wrong footed by STC level improvements.

STC tech like the Razorback and Stormraven are hardly game changers (the Rhino is an STC tech for crying out loud, hardly the end all be all of technology)... and tech like the Tactical Dreadnought Armor were made as superior to STC tech after they were lost. Remember the Emperor was around in the Pre-Strife era, and did a pretty good job reproducing a tech level close to the STC.

The Iron Men are the only serious game changers, and the AM has been very clear on their feelings involving them (aka: won't use them, would most likely not even let the IoM know they could make them).

Resources still have to be used to create the new tech, and current production levels of warships, titans, and the like would slowly increase, but again, I can't see it have more than a fractional improvement on the military situation of the Imperium.

Now what might be really interesting is its potential impact on your average citizen in say a hive world or an agriworld. Who knows what slow revolution it could have on the everyday life on a planet (since that was the ultimate function of the STCs anyway).

The Iron Men woukd probably be used as a weapon of last resort, along with the Terminus Decree, when all else fails. Kinda like the Halo Array and the Crucible.

Lobukia wrote:If an STC was brought back to Mars, the AM would have the biggest internal rift since the HH, as they endlessly debated and argued over every fine point, use of the technology, priority, etc.

We would most likely see +1 versions of everything already in existence (S5, AP4 bolters), and threats like the Orks (survived the pre-Strife era just fine), Eldar (see before), and Dark Eldar would suffer some initial setbacks, but would only lose a few impact worthy conflicts for at most a generation before adapting to /looting new technology. The Tau, Necrons, Tyranids, and Chaos all have become threats in the post STC world, so hardly would be wrong footed by STC level improvements.

STC tech like the Razorback and Stormraven are hardly game changers (the Rhino is an STC tech for crying out loud, hardly the end all be all of technology)... and tech like the Tactical Dreadnought Armor were made as superior to STC tech after they were lost. Remember the Emperor was around in the Pre-Strife era, and did a pretty good job reproducing a tech level close to the STC.

The Iron Men are the only serious game changers, and the AM has been very clear on their feelings involving them (aka: won't use them, would most likely not even let the IoM know they could make them).

Resources still have to be used to create the new tech, and current production levels of warships, titans, and the like would slowly increase, but again, I can't see it have more than a fractional improvement on the military situation of the Imperium.

Now what might be really interesting is its potential impact on your average citizen in say a hive world or an agriworld. Who knows what slow revolution it could have on the everyday life on a planet (since that was the ultimate function of the STCs anyway).

FYI...
The Tactical Dreadnought Armor was improved because a more intact STC was found that contained more detailed blueprints of it. Hell, there's no such thing as invention or improvements in 40k. Any attempt to do so would end in execution for heresy.

In fact, every last improvement made to Imperial military tech was made because more knowledge from the Dark Age was recovered. Nothing they have is better than Dark Age versions because everything they use is either a less advanced immitation of Dark Age weapons or a variant of said immitations. The variant may not originate from the Dark Age, but that hardly makes them better than weapons from that time.

There's no such thing as invention or improvements in the imperium.

The Tau, Dark Eldar, Nids, Orks, etc, thrive on inovation.
The Eldar to a degree like innovation too.

Ovion wrote:There's no such thing as invention or improvements in the imperium.

The Tau, Dark Eldar, Nids, Orks, etc, thrive on inovation.
The Eldar to a degree like innovation too.

And necrons. Though they are so advanced there really isn't anything to invent.

I knew I forgot someone. xD